That would be pretty cool though.
There is a dictatorship of a proletariat
William Howard
Jason Bell
Haven't been here in a while. Has this board somehow managed to get even more shit since I last left? OP clearly has no idea what a DoTP or anarchism are, yet no one has bothered to correct them, and the thread has gotten quite a few replies as if they said anything worth discussing.
Jackson Torres
It's always been shit.
Kevin Sanchez
This video is horrid, it starts off with:
Automation threatens your livelihood, well only as long as it can be controlled by private interests of capitalists.
Then it says:
walle is the maximum efficiency future, how was it efficient to cover the hole plant in garbage ?, how are anti-gravity floaty chairs more efficient thn walking ?. Then efficiency is linked to apathy from capitalist alienation, just to one up it with calling humans naturally lazy and in need for negative re-enforcement, while in reality it's just that nobody wants to expend effort to increase the private wealth pile of rich fucks. It is pleasurable to expend effort, well as long as it not stolen exploitation privatized & commodified. If we don't want to end up as potato-people we need to get rid of capitalists, we don't need torture.
Star trek is the maxim efficiency model precisely because it abolished money.
What currently is called AI is machine learning algorithms, those do not produce intent, nor make choices. They are just difficult to predict which is mostly a feature of it being a new technology. I would even say that star trek has the more advanced computers, not like in the video the more limited tech. It would be much easier to make Automated space-probes that has no humans (you know since that is what we are currently doing) . Consider that the enterprise is essentially people living inside of technology, where the technology produces a environment that is perfectly suited to humans. The difference to walley isn't the level of technical interference, the differences are content of the programming. The main difference between technology as a tool and technology as an overlord is whether or not it is predictable to humans.
Jose Perez
well anyways, my point is that we can use existing technology to plan because we corporations already function under a planned economy model, all we need to do is to have it under democratic control and have all receive in accordance to their needs. The most important aspect that you will need to bring up when debating people on planned economies is to show them that not only do they exist and are widely used, but they're also a lot more efficient than what we used to have.
Henry Diaz
The state only "withers" when the conditions which necessitate a state no longer exist. Attempting to dissolve the state earlier will simply see the re-establishment of a state to address the conditions which necessitates a state. Read Anti-Dühring.
Logan Butler
But what if the conditions never disappear, and after a while distributing some of that accumulated capital back to the workers becomes too expensive, so maybe a nightwatchman state with a flat tax is the way forward?
But a state is always necessary, because around the coercive apparatus ideology and patriotism can grow, and that's good for surplus extraction, even better than full time prison forever (cf. Gotha and Trotsky's reply to the German communists).
I thought Marx's prescriptions for the building of socialism were for shits and giggles, no?
Luis Cruz
> dictatorship of a proletariat
Even the term itself betrays its supposed revolutionary character. The social revolution can be nothing else but the abolition of all classes, including the self-abolition of the proletariat. History has shown us time and time again that during the revolution the proletariat naturally adapts to the changing conditions and realises the anarchist project instinctively. "Cultural lag" is a lie made up by the apologists of the existent.
Jacob Gutierrez
James Foster
Revolutionary theory cannot glorify the proletariat, "proletarian culture", "proletarian morality", etc. This would only be the glorification of alienation itself. What is positive about the proletariat is the historical possibility of its self-negation: since, for the proletariat, to free itself is to abolish itself, by abolishing Capital, class society, and alienated labor – that is its only glory.