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Red Pill me On 3rd Worldism
Christian Wood
Hudson Young
Is that inconsistent with the theory? I mean, this seems like you basically agree with the MTWs, and the only real question is "have living standards dropped enough / has the loot run out?" Now, I think you're correct that it is running out, but you're seeing the white workers / labor aristocrats in the first world turn to fascism, not leftism. In the U.S., there's just a naked and open agreement by large numbers of people that China must be economically destroyed, that the Venezuelan government be overthrown, and these people exploited to serve American hegemony.
Well, Marxism is really pretty simple: classes are self-interested and they act that way, and the rising proletariat has the capacity to take over. It stands to reason then that the revolution would happen, as Marx predicted, in the most developed countries. This did not happen. So either:
1. Marx is wrong, i.e. Western Marxism and its various modifications is a bad theory (and often misdirected into liberalism).
2. The leftcoms and Trots are right, and the socialist revolutions that did happen are not socialist, they're state-capitalist or Juche-feudalism or whatever.
3. Blackpilled conclusion that Marx is right and we, Zig Forums and your socialist book club are wrong: we're misreading him, basically. Who we think are proletarians are not proletarians. And what MTWs say is that yes, if you're a first-world white person then it doesn't matter what you call yourself, it's basically just a posting style, and you're not the revolutionary subject despite working for wages or whatever you do.
Of course accepting #3 causes a lot of white lefties to get really mad and flip out, so they wind up here or on stupidpol after they're kicked out of other leftist circles where the smart people are hanging out.
Hey, you never know. They did actually overthrow a monarchy. And having a protracted people's war all the time is at least a way of organizing a society. Let's try to have some humility.
Eli Perry
Conclusion #3 is a pretty retarded tbh. Where in Marx can you find anything to support the the claim that first world proles aren't actually proles because they're part of a labor aristocracy?
Luke Cruz
Your missing 4: material conditions were not met for revolution. A developed capitalist state that has allready exported its labor (late stage) is less likely to have revolution because material needs are just below the threshold for revolution. This means people can fall prey to false class consciousness and insane amounts of bootlicking because in retrospect they're relatively "fine". The working class in America dosent revolt mostly due to misrepresentation of marxist work so that people dont actually try and read to understand it. Theres a reason why a majority of Americans think Marxism = "muh gommunist dictator 100 million starved to death xD"
Carson Russell
Social democracy formed specifically to combat socialism. This is why so many social democratic countries are located around true socialist areas. Social democracy is by design created to combat socialism by giving the public a tiny taste of what socialism might look and feel like without it actually being socialism. This in turn makes the working class in social democratic states docile.
Andrew Harris
How tf does the exportation of first world jobs to the third world make them better off?
Ryan Ross
They are no longer working in factory settings, they're now working at service jobs. Keep in mind that the major job in Marx's time was factory work which was hard labor. We now do shitty jobs still, but its not physical either. Not like that really makes it any better.
Easton Collins
I guess you could say that people feel as if they're better off even though they're not.
Liam Anderson
Yes. Change cannot happen in the first world, we must put our faith in our starving, illiterate third world comrades.
Michael Diaz
This applies only to scandinavian countries, western europe or even Canada. But the workers in the US or Japan are definitely not placated, because these countries actually have no social programs. They might be cucked because of many other reasons, but I'm very sure, it is not because their life is too comfy.