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I'm reading link related and it states that the basis for Socialism according to Marx there needs to be
-Highly developed productive forces
-A large class of workers (propertyless wage earners)
-Global capitalism
Are some of these necessary, was Marx dare i say wrong
Are highly developed productive forces and infrastructure necessary for Socialism. To me it sounds hypocritical, just let capitalism do all the work, let it create the productive forces and the infrastructure.
Say for example would it be possible to have grown out of feudalism during the 16th century? I know of course that the nobles and kings would have never allowed it, but still.
Socialism from Feudalism
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Tyler Diaz
some industrialized countries have already gone back to feudalism given their home ownership rates and household debts
Jacob Anderson
thanks for the feedback bro,
I understand entirely now
Jackson Watson
Nothing is necessary for democratized production except coordination techniques. I've never understood the argument that you need a bunch of shitty capitalism first.
Alexander Peterson
That's what I'm trying to understand, do you rally need a bunch of shitty capitalism first?
David Martinez
In what way is it hypocritical? It was feudalism which gave rise to capitalism in the first place through the further centralisation of the productive forces at the time, the emergence of various kinds of specialized labour, and the creation of conditions which gave rise to the merchant class who would eventually usurp the system.
Marxists are not absolutists. Even slavery was progressive at one time.
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Angel Gomez
Well I don't think hypocritical was the right word to use, I meant it like is capitalism really better at socialism when it comes to creating developed productive forces and infrastructure
Jackson Thompson
Depends on the context. In literal pre-capitalist feudalism? Yes. In 20th century mixed feudal-capitalist countries like Russia pre-revolution? Possibly no, simply because imperialist countries actually impeded development in those countries.
Charles Carter
no, look at how all the feudal nations industrialized faster than any nation in human history, the USSR was a astounding success in regards to how socialist development can do vastly better when compared to capitalist development of similar industry.
Marx only wanted to use capitalism because he supported the idea of global trade and capitalist nations typically become protectionist against socialist ones. im assuming… please dont ass blast me…
Henry Reyes