Accelerationism

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

What are your guy's thoughts on deleuzeian/landian u/acc stuff? I haven't read much on it myself, so I also wanna ask what they think of praxis, do they desire it at all?

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Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

Accelerationism is nonsensical, it believes that the working class will embrace socialist liberation due to the heightening of contradictions, when it’s just as likely that without a proper theoretical framework they embrace reaction.

As Marxists we must prepare the working class for the inevitable conclusion of capitalism, things are accelerating with or without our input, there’s no need to accelerate them further. If anything we don’t have ENOUGH time

Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

What do you want to know?

its basically this: the previous economic system sets the right material conditions to bring about the next.
The transition from capitalism to socialism will only be successful given the right material conditions.
Therefore the faster those conditions arrive the better.

However people tend to be afraid of the word accelerationism and are against it as a knee jerk reaction

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Tyler Brown
Tyler Brown

How do prepare the working class to revolt in the age information capitalism, where we live in a society of control? Which are our current conditions, at least in the west. As opposed to living in an age of industrial capitalism, while living in a society of discipline, which were the conditions where previous socialist (unless you ask leftcoms lol) revolutions were carried out.

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

I’m a ML dude, I just think trying to push for fascist dictatorship as fast as possible isn’t the way to achieve socialist revolution (and no, when I say fascist I mean the US turning fash to save itself, not the USSR being fash or something)

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

Accelerationist would say that capitalism will not collapse. It's inherent contradictions have never been enough to stop it. The most likely conclusion of capitalism would be a post human society where robots continue working in factories even after humanity has long been extinct. Continuing to produce useless commodities for no one

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

Trannies have jumped on this acc thing because of deterritorialization of gender brought on by capitalism

Tyler Young
Tyler Young

A lot people misunderstand accelerationism. But it's incredibly obscure and relies heavily on deleuzo guatarrian literature which is complicated enough in itself

Nathaniel Kelly
Nathaniel Kelly

Mostly I wanna know what kind of actions they consider revolutionary praxis, do they think making subversive art and arguments is praxis? Do they think voting for trump, or Yang, or bernie, or joe biden could be praxis?

Most leftist tendencies view unionism as good and a way to reach their goals, but how do accelerations want to achieve their goals?

Or do they think that things will just work out without doing anything? A lot of them also say some very end of evangelion sounding shit about transhumanism, which is the most fascinating part of the tendency to me.

Kevin Gomez
Kevin Gomez

I’m a ML dude, I just think trying to push for fascist dictatorship as fast as possible isn’t the way to achieve socialist revolution (and no, when I say fascist I mean the US turning fash to save itself, not the USSR being fash or something)
You're arguing again a point no one is making though.

Juan Carter
Juan Carter

Deleuze is not an accelerationist.
Mods please anchor this shit thread.

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

Mostly I wanna know what kind of actions they consider revolutionary praxis, do they think making subversive art and arguments is praxis? Do they think voting for trump, or Yang, or bernie, or joe biden could be praxis?
All economic systems reach a state of advancement that bring about a new economic system through the change of material conditions.
For example it can be argued that the lack of goal helped bring about capitalism etc.
Therefore capitalism will provide the material conditions to dethrone it.
Trying to react against it has failed in the past and voting for SocDems will only maintain the current order.
Acceleration advocates for not slowing the eventual destruction of capitalism.
So voting Trump will help to end capitalist the fastest

Most leftist tendencies view unionism as good and a way to reach their goals, but how do accelerations want to achieve their goals?
Unions are irrelevant. At one point they fought against capitalism now they just bargain with capitalism for higher wages. They do not help workers or accelerationism.

Or do they think that things will just work out without doing anything?
On an individual level a single person does not matter in the grand scheme of things if thats what your asking

A lot of them also say some very end of evangelion sounding shit about transhumanism, which is the most fascinating part of the tendency to me.
this is just speculating on technology

Hunter Foster
Hunter Foster

I'm not saying he was, but some deleuzians are. Although most of them are twitter weirdos, so i'll give you that.

On an individual level a single person does not matter in the grand scheme of things if thats what your asking
I get that, but in the past union salts and activists were able to make small differences individually that would collectively become strong, do the accelerationists have any similar activities? Or is it really just forces completely beyond human influence?

Dylan Nguyen
Dylan Nguyen

do the accelerationists have any similar activities? Or is it really just forces completely beyond human influence?
Yes, you can look into Land's work on the Dark Enlightenment
Essential move away from federalized governments to a hyper capitalist form of government run by a CEO

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

Stop with this this terrible vaporwave / 80's shit. It's inherently reactionary, we need to come up with our own art.

Ethan Thomas
Ethan Thomas

Stop with this this terrible vaporwave / 80's shit. It's inherently reactionary, we need to come up with our own art.
vaporwave is anti capitalist retard

Landon Harris
Landon Harris

Doesn't matter if it's anti-capitalist. It's a style that has long since melted into air and been co-opted by the same multinational corporations whose decadence it made fun of (surprise surprise, irony is one of the most easily diluted elements). Besides, aestheticization of politics is pretty cringe and bluepilled and the accelerated degradation (or undressing?) of grassroots art movements into commercialized kitsch means we probably shouldn't uphold the latter as revolutionary or otherwise progressive and critical. Especially when it doesn't actually have any positive, constructive elements to it.

Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

Doesn't matter if it's anti-capitalist. It's a style that has long since melted into air and been co-opted by the same multinational corporations whose decadence it made fun of (surprise surprise, irony is one of the most easily diluted elements). Besides, aestheticization of politics is pretty cringe and bluepilled and the accelerated degradation (or undressing?) of grassroots art movements into commercialized kitsch means we probably shouldn't uphold the latter as revolutionary or otherwise progressive and critical. Especially when it doesn't actually have any positive, constructive elements to it.

You're description of vaporwave makes it sounds prefect for accelerationism though

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Jaxson Jackson
Jaxson Jackson

I'm confused. Some people say Land used to be lefty who knew socialism was inevitable consequence of Capitalism but later became edgy lolbert to delay said transition as long as possible. If I'm reading you correctly he is not actually delaying revolution per se but merely using such dystopian system as praxis. Which was is it? I know I should read him myself but he somehow figured out how to write even more obnoxiously than moldbug and I can't in to /cyb/ lit

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

If accelerationism is anything more than a meme then it already shed vaporwave a long time ago.

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

All cultural ideas are memes.

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Aiden Bell
Aiden Bell

t. Hideo Kojima

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

Increasing the cost of labour is an incentive to automate

Unions good praxis, human rights and dignities for proles, lumpens etc good praxis

Christian Martin
Christian Martin

His early works in fanged noumena still deal with capitalism as a progressive force that build the condition for socialism and how therefor more capitalism > faster to socialism
then he did drugs had a mental breakdown dissapeaared for a decade and then popped up in China with neoreactionary technodystopianism and a twitter acc

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

Accelerationism is nonsensical, it believes that the working class will embrace socialist liberation due to the heightening of contradictions,
This is a bullshit definition of accelerationism. It's basically a tabloid journalist level of misconception. Deleuze and Guattari (arguably the original accelerationists) were pretty fucking explicit about the fact the nothing has ever been killed by its contradictions.

Jayden Cruz
Jayden Cruz

If accelerationism is anything more than a meme then it already shed vaporwave a long time ago.
everything is a meme who cares

Robert Hernandez
Robert Hernandez

I'm confused. Some people say Land used to be lefty who knew socialism was inevitable consequence of Capitalism but later became edgy lolbert to delay said transition as long as possible. If I'm reading you correctly he is not actually delaying revolution per se but merely using such dystopian system as praxis. Which was is it? I know I should read him myself but he somehow figured out how to write even more obnoxiously than moldbug and I can't in to /cyb/ lit
Nick emerged as a leftist in the 90s and never denounced it but moved on from politics to philosophy
Nick sees the future as a dystopia ruled by AI but that doesn't mean it is the end goal or something he is in favor of
Ultimately the praxis is to accelerate capitalism to reach the next epoch

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Josiah Morris
Josiah Morris

Nick sees the future as a dystopia ruled by AI but that doesn't mean it is the end goal or something he is in favor of
Ultimately the praxis is to accelerate capitalism to reach the next epoch

Problem is, this epoch is mass human extinction which Land kind of views with an apathetic "meh" and even seems to favor.

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

Problem is, this epoch is mass human extinction which Land kind of views with an apathetic "meh" and even seems to favor.
How is that a problem? He's not promoting it like a malthusian he is just analyzing the trajectory of modern life and saying this is where it is heading towards

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

tfw no cyber trans hooker gf

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Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

Decreasing the cost of automation is an incentive to automate.

Workers' cooperatives selling capital at reduced prices to capitalists is a way forward.

Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Do we need a thread on this every day?

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Jack Reed
Jack Reed

Workers' cooperatives selling capital at reduced prices to capitalists is a way forward.
if we automate the proletariat out of existence then by definition the bourgeois cannot exist

Isaac Hughes
Isaac Hughes

Shitty self-fulfilling prophecy.

Jonathan Hernandez
Jonathan Hernandez

Yes, that's kind of what I've been thinking about.
We'd reach an economic and technological singularity by doing so and after that the only question is to see who remains.

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

Any good books on this topic?

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

One Dimensional Man
The Influencing Machine
Taqqun
Psychopathology of the beautiful fighting girl
And of course land/deleuze guattari and baudrillard too

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

Shitty self-fulfilling prophecy.
you sound butthurt

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