Libya Thread

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nice bait.

I've always wondered how credible were the justifications for bombing Libya. I know that the Viagra rape story was pretty much bullshit, but I've wondered if the other stuff was somewhat true. From what I remember, NATO used the "Right to Protect" rule as justification, claiming that Gaddafi was going to slaughter thousands of people if he was allowed to go further into rebel held territory in the north. How credible were these claims? I seem to recall that Gaddafi calling his own people roaches/rats. Was their any indication of a genocidal intent form Gaddafi?

Of course not. Stop believing western lies.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothing-moral-nato-intervention-libya

Any word on the current status in Libya? Is the Islamist Tripoli government close to falling? We're not going to get Libya to support the IRA or New People's Army again but at least the country will be stable if the war ends.

Another bullshit left purist. Fuck off yeah?
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I straight up said it was social democracy so why are you trying to misrepresent the argument? Also "authoritarian" is a spook word anyway. There has never been a successful revolution that doesn't meet what liberals define authoritarianism as, even if they were anarchist in nature

Furthermore the purpose of anti imperialism isn't blind support for any isolationist nation regardless or whether it is socialist or not it is support for nations self determination which weakens the chains of imperialism and therefore the process of capital accumulation. Before being obliterated Libya was one of the only things standing in the way of Europe importing tons of cheap labor from Africa at the expense of its own working class. Said refugees have since been viciously demonized and now that they arent needed in such great numbers even Angela Merkel, who the Right painted as an evil judeo bolsheviks who loved refugee rape of muh white women, is letting them die by the boatload in the ocean or turning them back to their countries where they will die in civil war and poverty which didn't exist under "muh authoritarian regime".

Also, Gadaffi had a plan which was still a way a from being fully realized but was in very real development to create an African currency which would be substantial enough to realistically challenge the dollar in Africa. Do you not see how severely weakened the United States would have been after a generation or two of this? Do you comprehend how much capital comes from Africa and how important it is in various other ways to the global porky?

Also "if a regime exists it's authoritarian" bullshit is far more liberal and immature than anything I've said. Technically Libya now is not as "authoritarian" as it was under Gaddafi, does that mean ilwe should be indifferent to NATO obliterating it? Where's the big anarchist movement that should have emerged in the region since big bad gaddafi is gone?

Lastly, there's instances where support for non socialist States was unequivocally socialist from a scientific point of view. Was Marx a liberal for supporting the North in the American civil war and writing positive things about Abraham Lincoln? Of course not because the point in supporting Lincoln was to accelerate the industrial economy necessary to bring about socialism in the long run and to finally end slavery in one of its last outposts in the modern world, another historical step. Neither of these developmental things were in themselves socialist or had anything to do with socialism but without them true communism could have not even the potential to be constructed.

In situations like Libya and Syria you have to ask yourself if there is a significantly radical movement capable of actually moving the majority of workers and the development of the nation along in a more fundamentally materialist fashion than the current government. There's plenty of reports from both Libya and Syria similar to that of the late USSR where people said despite the majority of average people wanting change they didn't mean literally obliterating the entire government.

I'm sad to say i haven't followed Libya too closely for about a year I just assumed some Muslim fundamentalists would take over briefly before a us backed "🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸reformer🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 took charge

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Man I wonder what all these deleted posters were