Late Stage Capitalism: Life Coach Discord

Today’s topic exhibits Life Coaches (alternatively Motivational Speakers) which would have influenced Late Stage Capitalist Society. While life coaches could be numerous, there would be two life coaches discussed as examples today which appear to have influenced the socio-economic landscape and vice versa.
To introduce Tony Robbins rather briefly he has mentioned in his materials that he was once deemed by the news to be a “wonder kind” in business and motivational speaking before the said business was untimely liquidated. Later he was working as a cleaner and eventually rebuilt a long standing business with a sizable and dedicated following with himself as the forefront being, of course, a life coach. The three core principles advocated by him seem to be keeping a positive attitude, copying success and associate with successful people.
Next, Robert Kyosaki would be briefly introduced as a life coach specialising in, to say it simply, money. Robert Kyosaki regretting his father’s deep concern about keeping his job led himself to strongly avoid the predicament his father experienced. Instead Robert Kyosaki sought, figuratively, not to work for money and coveted the financial markets and their securities as well as tax avoidance. He had become acquainted with his friend’s father, a businessman which taught him not to work for money, rather to work for something he liked doing to the extent he would do it for free.
Like Tony Robbins and his comptemporary Robert Kyosaki seemed to have meant well, at least in their early days, and perhaps may be considered as the people’s champions and icons of their generation having motivated them. Both comptemporaries and their generation have experienced the heights of capitalism of the 1950’s, 1960s, 1970s and early to mid 1980’s. Higher purchasing power, higher disposable income, stronger labour unions and a faster labour market, to say the least, afforded a new promise (even era) of Capitalism and motivation was perhaps the challenge that remained. It would seem that the flamboyant and saturated consumerist culture and pop culture peaking in the 1980’s consolidated and closed the life lessons of the Baby Boomer generation.


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The crashes of the mid to late 1980’s, Dotcom crash in 2000-2001 and the 2008 financial crisis would have shortly sobered plenty of baby boomers, most of the fallouts appear to have impacted Generation X and later the Millennials. Generation X very likely entered the workforce towards the end of the Capitalist rally maybe second compared to the rally of the 1920’s. It was an economy ensuing the Nixon-Xiaoping meeting, the Lima Agreement, early offshoring, early privitisation and the denigration of labour unions. It was also an economy trialing and instating the Neoliberal Capitalist model worldwide. It was the start of the Capitalist rally sliding in 1980’s and Life Coach slogans found in seminars were broadcasted across the known media to soothe the early symptoms such as, but not limited to, drug abuse and steep increase in unemployment. Some slogans mutated by the media into advocating that their country was the best in world along with other superlatives, exaggerations and ad hominems deflecting from the issues which continue to the present.

With the Silent and Greatest Generations retiring the Baby Boomers entered seniority in commercial and national institutions carrying their life lessons naturally. They carried their icons which they had subscribed and wide change was imminent. Companies and HR firms only wanted to be “associated” with “experienced” people and if the people refused the substandard conditions and pay they were just not motivated enough and they could get a “motivated” visa worker or a refugee to slave for them. Unpaid internships and volunteering at corporations was advocated and enticed many new workers with little coming of it. It would seem that corporations and businesses alike had found an unpaid labour scheme while some had extended it to paying for the so-called privilege of “getting experience”. Companies and business focusing on their own share and security price gains instead of attending to the quality their services and products as it was with Enron, Worldcom , Tyco and AIG. In the case of Enron, Accounting firm Arthur Anderson was defunct which was complicit and privy in fraudulent activity. Tax evasion which had been strongly held as illicit and unacceptable became merely practiced. The Mossack Fonseca documents would show the extent of tax evasion and loopholes.

Products merely replicate the products of another business based on return. Music and art replicated each other according to sales and profit. It was a pop culture and economy with a myriad of copies without originals. For instance the success of the iPhone which was duplicated practically ended the concurrent keypad, flip and QWERTY designed phones with the iPhone touch screen design and shape, being uniform. Modern Warfare’s success in sales spawned copies the genre enticing several video game companies to enter the Modern Warfare demographic to the chagrin of the rest of the greater video game demographic. It appears that people had rediscovered their appreciation of the old-school fashions, video games and media from a much more original, creative and artistic era for example new flashwave, new disco and fan made renditions as well as sequels of video games. It would be perceived that plenty of media and products were of better quality despite the feature laden media and products of more recent times. For instance, it is not very uncommon to find comments and opinions that refer to the 1990s and pre 2010 as the best music made unlike post 2010.


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The Baby Boomers in their seniority had demanded emphatically from the Millennials the same if not better targets they achieved: car, “real” job and house by 23 years old. Given the economic climate which arose from enlarged offshoring, the 2008 financial crisis, enlarged privitisation, furthered denigration of unions, “experience” requirements, visa workers and mass immigration (visa and illegal) which reduced buying power, reduced labour market speed, reduced and stagnated wages it was not feasible. The Baby Boomers understood the effect that had on them personally and in the economy, and resorted to their Life Coaches’ way of motivation, at times becoming assumed Life Coaches. They had believed that if only the Millennials were as motivated as they were the Millennials could meet the targets as it was deemed by the new promise of Capitalism as it was for them. That included the shaming tabloids and pundits that lambasted Millennials for being entitled, lazy and detrimental with deficient pastimes like video games. The Millennials were supposed to “pull themselves by their bootstraps” and get moving; the Capitalist system was already great to the Baby Boomers as negativity, whinging and whining were shunned. Criticising and warning about Capitalism and its late stage were dismissed. Millennials and their comptempories were supposed to work for lower pay, less rights, work longer, work more than one job, live in squalor and slums “sharing” residences like the imported and conned slave labourers.

In society the Life Coach lessons which the Baby Boomers internalised had instilled them in their children were applied to their interactions too. Family members that did not “succeed” were estranged despite being good and loving characters as the Boomers sought to associate with “successful” people and so that they could talk about shares and real estate for instance. Their children were taught to associate with “successful” people too and long standing friends and acquaintances were alienated. Loving relationships were severed as their mate did not seem to be someone “successful”. Eventually they could view only “success”in their environment (like being in a bubble) arguing in favour of the system and denouncing those that dissented. Some of their children, Gen X and Millennials, went to the extent of being financially indebted to appear as “successful” by holidaying and buying the latest consumerist trend to appear as “successful” and someone to associate with. The virtue signalling directed to the “successful” tends to be another way to “associate” with them. Snide comments like “don’t be poor”, “get a job”, “buy shares” and love does not pay the bills” were exchanged which furthered virtue signalling too. The situation had affected males and females alike which caused societal enclaves as the not “successful” were snobbishly alienated and demeaned. Communities were created on image boards, forums and other websites. Those communities, though not a complete list, tend to be leftypol (and variants), conspiracy community, video gamers, parts of reddit, pol, incels, femcels and of course the forever alone community interacting ,creating and sharing content on the internet.

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In civic matters the moment a politician appears that virtue signals to the “successful” and as a Life Coach that internalised and subscribed to the Life Coach icons themselves they became welcomed and celebrated. Trickle down, tax cuts, welfare cuts and other Neoliberal Capitalist policies were interpreted by the media, the Life Coach icons and their followers as policies of the “successful”. Naturally, the Life Coaches according to their coaching encouraged their followers to copy the policies in their lives and associate with those people. Regan and Thatcher to the present day tend to be iconised politically for instating Neoliberal Capitalism and trickle down economics with Thatcher’s slogans: There Is No Alternative (TINA) and Socialism works until you run out of other peoples money. Gordon Gecko would be another revered idol with his line “Greed is good”.

To reiterate the well meaning nature of the Life Coaches in their early days had motivated plenty of their comptemporaries and their comptemporaries iconised them. Tony Robbins and Robert Kyosaki were paraded and revelled in magazines, news and television shows testifying success in the Capitalist system. Despite that, both iconic life coaches did not seem to coach morality as to them success had been measured in wealth, dollars and profit. As long as the wealth, dollars and profit were gained they would praise and appear not to have criticised and denounced underhanded wealth. The invisible hand as believed by Adam Smith that would have acted as moral and ethical authority without the government and judiciary was non-existant, at best negligible. As such they may be paradoxically amoral moralists which expected the invisible hand and religious institutions to compensate for it in society. It would seem that the Evangelicals and Pentecostals despite their scandals have become among the leading religions filled accordingly with the idolised Life Coach overtones becoming mini seminar rooms and “Pastor Life Coaches” pandering to donors and the “successful”. The Old and New Testament interpreted as a humanised Neoliberal Capitalism. Nevertheless those religious institutions arouse hope and do occasionally cover ethics as well as morality soothing somewhat the symptoms of Late Stage Capitalism.

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Returning to the Life Coach icons they appear to have detracted from their well-meaning actions and deeply associating with the “successful” had imparted, along with their coaching, a disdained attitude towards dissenting individuals and becoming baseless (out of touch) in the current economy, known to some as Late Stage Capitalism. They tend to just react strongly to a bygone economy that was the new promise of Capitalism from the 1950s to the mid 1980s which their coaching would be inadvertently done in vacuum. With the so-called motivation by shaming the Millennials being rather ineffective to fill the void of the expectations of the Baby Boomers and to frequent their seminars the Life Coaches now bait them with Capitalist critical points to bait them and switch them towards the familiarised “successful” coaching very likely repeating the cycle as discussed previously albeit less pronounced as there would be less followers.

While the Capitalist and Neoliberal Capitalist systems figuratively try to help they seem to harm those more than they help. Capitalism needs Capital to function and as people have less spending money and savings the Capitalist system would likely collapse with many being considerably disillusioned.

What do you think?

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I can't read more than a paragraph of this at a time without getting very angry

Literally the stereotypical untrustworthy american face of capital.


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tldr: the eternal boomer strikes again

The best stuff on life coaches and 'Self-Help Gurus' I've read came from that Zero Books book 'Dead Man Working'. Interesting thread.

-Said by Buffet to a starving kid in Africa

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Now that is what I call pure ideology!

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The timing of following video being uploaded is interesting released on the 20th
Poverty is Not An Accident (featuring Robert Kiyosaki)
While I recommend watching the whole video first, some excerpts:

I wonder if Robert Kiyosaki listened to his conscience…

And people say that Stalin went a bit too far with repressions. How can you believe this after listening to people like this Kiyosaki or whatever.

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Oh come on, history is written by the victors, there has been repression a lot worse than anything Stalin ever did and nobody cares or talks about it, the material reason why Stalin is demonised is because he build a rival power, a system that posed an alternative, that forced them to make concession to workers.

What about Steve Harvey though?

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Like Tony Robbins, Robert Kiyosaki meant well and bestowed to many of their comptemporaries hope and faith. Eventually by deeply associating with the "successful" they became quite secluded and baseless which they disdained dissenting opinions. They done promethean acts and gradually lost their way, their roots so to speak.

As for Stalin he did upset the financiers, industrialists and royals by winning the war against Germany and rebuilt the USSR into a superpower across many sectors. The financiers, industrialists and royals seemed to have been hindered in being involved with the huge re-establishment of the USSR which denied them profit and was an example of democracy in the workplaces and economy rather than the "market". The market was manipulated by the few corporations and banks impacting the livelihood, well being and safety of the populace. The mainstream media today has not changed very much from the time of Stalin. That media smeared Gaddafi, Assad, Chavez, Maduro, Ahmedinejad and Rouhani as they refused to bow to the imperialists of the USA, Saudi Arabia and Gulf States as well as Israel.

Robbins and Kiyosaki were secluded with the "successful" and changed from people's champions to poseurs and loudmouths along with their followers. If the two icons of the Baby Boomer generation maintained their more benevolent attributes it could have been different. Instead they became sheltered and push Neoliberalism as "success".

I dont know. Do tell, indulge us.


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Steve Harvey is a bit meh outside of his job at Family Feud but that quote is actually based

its bullshit you stupid liberal

How you fucking jive-ass wackadoo?
By helping others succeed you've achieved something - you succeeded in helping someone.
Obviously Harvey is meaning this in terms of capitalist shit, but the quote, on its own is true.
This is like the fucking Reagan quotes that were memed as being ironically supportive of communism. OBVIOUSLY Reagan is meaning this for capitalism, but the ideas being stated can be used to support communism.
So do I need to explain this more, or do you get it, doofus?

sweatshop workers are helping others more as their rate of exploitation is higher, which makes them less successful
ecelebs take surplus from people making themselves more successful at their cost
your first sentence is just using the conclusion as its own premise

Sweat-shop workers may be unethical but to say they aren't succeeding at anything would be a lie.
No, you're just twisting the words to make a false equivalency.