Nobody is pretending structural racism doesn’t exist. Anti idpol is by definition anti racism. Our position is that the source of racism is capitalism, and that white workers and black workers have fundamentally the same interests. Even if racism puts black workers in a harder position, it’s still the enemy of both since it divides them and makes them easier targets for porky. Furthermore white people dont benefit from racism in any meaningful sense. The more prosperous position of white workers is due to the labour struggles of the early and mid 20th century, not keeping blacks poor. The gains of white workers did not come at the expense of blacks, rather structural racism and repression prevented blacks from organizing in the same way as their counterparts. The prosperity of the white working class was in no way conditional on the misery of the black working class, therefore there is no real conflict between the two, only the false conflict manufactured by the bourgeoisie. The only way forewords then is solidarity, abolition of racial distinctions and discrimination which weakens the working class. The solution is now to bitch about whitey as if the white worker is your enemy.
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I defy anybody to watch just two minutes of this video and tell me that idpol isn't absolute cancer that needs to be ruthlessly purged from the left.
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Lol, recognizing racism is backed by the state, the base and superstructure isn't race essentialism.
Jeepers, state enforced is slavery is bad and all but what's worse is hurting white people's feelings by bring it up. Hurting white people's feelings hurts the revolution. Kind of like you're not supposed to share your birthday wish or it won't come true!
Yes! Because they are the one's that are preventing revolution, or even the most basic fucking concessions that they currently enjoy. Shit rolls down hill, it's easier for propertied white people to keep unpropertied minorities as an underclass then fight the most powerful class, the bourgeoisie, ever to exist in history.
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Wages for ALL PROLES have been frozen for 40 years and white people don't give a fuck because they have gotten their share of increased productivity and more via real estate appreciation.
You're like those white people Martin Luther King used to talk about. Always talking about waiting, or going through democracy or legal channels. Just replace wait for revolution and democracy with vanguard party or the white working class to radicalize and its the same thing.
Yes, and it's why white people have been able to weather skyrocketing education, housing, medical and transportation costs for the last several decades while minorities have been pushed further into poverty.
I didn't say we should. We should support policies that make minorities homeowners. Like reparations. Rent takes up more than half the take home pay of minorities, changing that would go along way to making them precarious. It's white people's relative advantage that I seek to destroy, not the fact they own homes. That relative advantage is also what you seek to protect with all this passive aggressive obfuscation of the real politics behind racism and other identity politics.
Lol more strawman, no one said kick white people out of their homes. Hey lets say take away their rentals though.
I don't want to get rid of homeownership. Just it's racialized monopoly.
My thoughts exactly, so why do you defend the current status quo of minorities having to almost exclusively rent. Oh that's right it's because you're a white boy who wants to maintain their racialized comparative advantage by screaming IDPOL at any minority trying to win the same concessions white people already have.
They have to wait for revolution in poverty, while you get to wait for it in the suburbs.
Lol cry harder fash sympathizer.
Like fun this board doesn't. They do it both by omission and dog piling on absolutely anyone that brings it up as an idpol SJW. With no push back from anyone else.
You all act like the USSR never did anything to address ethnic tensions.
This false consciousness stuff has a lot of conceptual problems, the main one being that ideology is not something solely imposed on people, it's also something that people generate to explain their world. Basically what I'm saying is that people are not morally culpable for their consciousness here. Class consciousness that led to proletarian revolutions developed because workers found themselves working together on factory floors, seeing their labor produce commodities which then stared back at them and alienated from them, and seeing themselves as the same and capable of overthrowing this system via collective action – technology shaped their consciousness.
I think you're setting yourself up for a nasty surprise when people don't set aside their idpol and join in a gross, idpol-free anarchist revolution. Like we can moralize about idpol but it seems like a flipside of the "check your privilege" types who think that people can just reshape their identities at will, but these identities are not shaped by people's actual choices. No one has ever successfully checked their privilege. What basically just matters is economics, and there might be actual hard economic limits approaching in the near future which means that the standard of living for most people in the developed world is going to come down no matter what. Like this kind of "rising tide lifts all boats" socialism seems like a fantasy to me
Deliberately undermining working class solidarity hurts the revolution yes.
First off, that's historically not true. White workers formed the backbone of the militant labour movement in the US. Their relatively reactionary position today is a result of their integration into the hegemony and internalization of bourgeois ideology. However this didn't occur because they are white, it happened because their economic position changed as a result of struggle. Now that hegemony is collapsing, the white working class is being displaced, and they are once again becoming targets for recruitment from the left. Whites by and large aren't the propertied middle class they were 40 or 50 years ago, neoliberalism has decimated their wealth. Now is the time to capitalize on this by emphasizing the unity of interests between all workers. Demonizing them will only drive them towards fascism.
Utter horseshit. White workers have become increasingly dissatisfied with neoliberalism, which is why they have shown a tendency to flock to the emerging socdem wing of the Democratic party. The only thing putting them off is idpol. You seem to have this idea that white workers have come out of neoliberalism and the 2008 crisis unscathed, which is fundamentally untrue.
Find me a single post denying the existence of structural racism.
I totally agree. I think its obvious that the reactionary tendencies among many white workers emerged from the postwar prosperity of the white working class. For them capitalism was a system that had ensured them a great deal of prosperity, and so it was easy for them to accept its myths and narratives. What needs to be remembered is that hegemony is unstable because capitalism is unstable, and the white working class is currently in the process of being ejected from that cushy position in the hegemony. What's so dangerous about idpol here is that recently displaced middle classes tend to be a breeding ground for fascism. We need to be doing everything we can to recruit them to the left, because if we don't they will spawn a fascist movement. What absolutely won't work is idpol and tribalism, we need to make them realize their common cause with all workers regardless of race.
It comes down to the fact that if worker's can't set aside identity politics they will be crushed by capital. Anti-idpol socialism isn't just a preference for me, its literally the only viable option.
Uh huh, is that why 40 million of them 40 for Trump, and another 40 million voted for Hillary. Oh wait Trump mumbled something about trade so that's "the real reason" they voted for him. It wasn't like there were any candidates with pro worker platforms like Jill Stein.
Oh that racial demagoguery, that was just peripheral even though his approval rating soar when ever he tries to ban Muslims or something like that.
Oh look, we have literal concentration camps that go all the way back to the Obama administration with babies being left in unchanged diapers for over 3 weeks. Oh look at all the appalled white people at this state of affairs!
Oh wait their actually ambivalent or outright hostile to people like AOC and Anarchists that tried to draw attention toward it.
Nigga neoliberalism has been destroying worker gains for 40 years. I've been hearing this stupid shit from white apologists for that long. Oh white people really unhappy with Regan, Bush I, Bush II etc. Every fucking time they vote for the same liberal bullshit. At least Democrats fucking lie to their base about their neoliberalism, white people froth at the mouth to uphold white supremacy and will sell any worker rights that aren't nailed down as long as black people get it worse.
What's horseshit is that someone white people are different "this time". Oh and the polls show Trump has a good shot at winning 2020. So much for all this white disaffection for neoliberalism
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