So what exactly did Rákosi do wrong...

If you say so Paedo.

It also goes into great detail about how Rakosi’s policies so impoverished workers that the only way to make ends meat was informal bargaining at the factory level that included wages paid in goods. This was all done off the books so it also meant that much of the data planners were working with was inaccurate, which caused the economy to falter even more, which made workers rely even more heavily on informal payment in a vicious cycle.

Hungarian but against the revolution of 1956. Part of the issue just to touch on the revolution bit was that Kruschev did his anti Stalinist
speech denouncing him. What effect this had is that then it turned people in Hungary against him.

Thing is besides from Nagy none of the revolutionaries were really Communist or had communist ties. Only Social Democrat at the best. And call it anecdotes or whatever but I have seen fascists praise our 56 revolution has some sorta anti communist revolt to be praised fascist ball even uploading one of their songs.

What always made me suspicious about them is their logo was the communist symbol of Hungary cut out, wanted prominent communists on trial they accused of being Stalinists, and wanted "open and free elections" which sounds more like they wanted lib-dem bourg type of government.

Only thing really communist was the Nagy guy who used to be a hard core Bolshevik but had been changing his mind at this point.

Communism bad.

Rakosi didn't need Khrushchev's help to turn the Hungarian people against him, he was already deeply unpopular before the Secret Speech.
Not true at all. Communist party members featured prominently both in Nagy's government and on the barricades. The Social Democrats were old school socdems, and would be considered demsoc's by today's standards. They, together with the communists, held the majority of positions in Nagy's government. Even the non-socialist parties admitted that socialism as a system was popular with the people, and that it couldn't be dismantled. Furthermore none of the demands of the revolutionaries were particularly reactionary, their main concerns were the establishment of proletarian democracy and national independence (i.e. an end to Soviet meddling in Hungary's internal affairs). No prominent revolutionary group of member of the government was advocating a return to private ownership.
Yeah and some liberals try to claim Marx as their own.
The symbol was designed by Rakosi and associated with his government. Its replacement with the Koussouth emblem was just the adoption of symbolism in line with Hungary's own revolutionary traditions.
They wanted specific individuals that were high ranking in Rakosi's government put on trial.
They wanted multi-party elections within the context of a socialist economy, which is not the same thing as returning to bourgeois democracy.
If you think that going over the specific policies of Rakosi's government and examining their effects on society is the same as denouncing communism then you might be a dogmatist. There was literally nobody, not even hardcore MLs, that was willing to defend Rakosi after 1956. Denying his incompetence is delusional.

Thee are two of their demands that already strike out. Selling Uranium on the world market to west and NATO, and the other is literally stating to let ALL political parties even the conservative and fascist ones to join in.


See the above


They wanted some fascist war criminals to be returned, how nice :^}


Again Hungarian, I have great respect for what the Soviets did in kicking the fascsits out, would not be opposed to statues of the 48 revolution as well.


This demand was vaugley worded that it could mean both to continue a collective farming or privatization.


Literally CIA nibber tier stuff, just let the western media in. Radio Free Europe will cause no harm and lead people away.


They never replaced a symbol. They just used the flag WITH THE SOCIALIST SYMBOL CUT OUT.


Literally who and when. Most of them hate Marx and try to distance him. It still does not negate the fact open fascists are praising the Hungarian revolution and use it as a good selling point.


Again people in the communist party they did not like.

Another Hungarian here. This is obvious bullshit. Just to name a few communists participating in the revolution: György Lukács, the most famous Hungarian communist philosopher wasn't just one of the leaders of the Hungarian Soviet of 1919 but a member of Nagy's revolutionary government and his daughter started organizing a revolutionary Leninist party during 1956; György Moldova, the most widely read Hungarian author alive, an avowed communist writer participated as a young communist in 1956; Gyula Illyés, a committed and internationally known anti-fascist poet took part in 1956 as well. These are just the most obvious examples I can think of. I have communist friends whose grandparents were either illegal communists during the Horthy regime or took part in the International Brigades in 1936 and participated in 1956 as well. The masses themselves – and this is rather telling – did not demand the restoration of private property or a market system. They perceived Moscow to be meddling in Hungarian international affairs: the politburo did insist that Rákosi resigned and Nagy take over, just to change their minds again and ask for Nagy's resignation a bit later… Fuckups were committed on both sides: Rákosi's inner circle (his "troika") were completely incompetent in their economic planning and brutal in their policies and were removed from the rest of the party and hence from the masses, while Nagy's first government enjoyed popular support only to be overturned by Moscow, then Khrushchev's famous speech gave the final push and the masses of Hungary as one of the weakest links (Poland comes to mind as well) at that time took to the streets and things started escalating quickly. Yeah, they did lynch a few ÁVH officers on the streets, but keep in mind that 1 in 10 Hungarians – workers, students, members of the intelligentsia – were prosecuted by them. It didn't help either that Hungary – a severely war torn country itself – agreed to pay reparations of US$200 million to the Soviet Union, roughly taking up 20% of its annual budget for several years. This, mixed with the falling real wages of the workers somehow didn't exactly portray the Russians as a brotherhood nation…

The problem with this kind of reasoning isn't that its anecdotal, but that it relies on the fascists incoherent ideology as a reference point. It is no coincidence that at the time of the regime change since Kádár's legitimacy was based on the myth of destroying the fascist counter-revolution fascists readily accepted this myth and took it up as their own point of identification. It is no coincidence either that 30 years later many right wingers (including the governing Fidesz party) started distancing themselves from Imre Nagy, removing his statues and fine-tuning once again history books to be less favorable towards him… The guy was an avowed Marxist-Leninist.

The masses identified the symbol with Moscow because the Rákosi government didn't actually make their lives easier under the banner of communism. I, too, would have wanted several 'prominent' communists to face trial, especially after the fabricated Rajk trial which was a pure political spectacle that killed die hard communists. It was a pure opportunist masquerade: dressed up in the Stalin regime's ideologemes of "dealing with trotskyist and titoist wreckers" (a wink to Moscow that we are good bois) Rákosi got rid of his communist opposition.

I'm not convinced either that a multi party DoTP is possible, and even Nagy wrote self-criticisms in his Snagov Diary feeling remorse over bringing back the multi party system. Again, the problem is more nuanced. While in 1919 the Hungarian revolution was truly organic and backed by the proletariat the post WW2 transition towards socialism took the form of a putsch. Creating legitimacy for your regime under such dire and unorganic conditions is exceptionally hard, and Rákosi & co. fucked up badly.

Did the Soviet Union have the right to tell Hungary what it can and can't do with its own resources? This is clearly an issue of national self-determination.
The fascist parties had already been disbanded after the war, and the moderate centre right parties like the Smallholders still refused to advocate for a return to socialism. Furthermore, if the people support socialism then there is nothing to fear from free elections. Again, there's also a difference between a multi-party socialist democracy and a bourgeois democracy. There mere presence of bourgeois parties in a socialist democracy doesn't make the system bourgeois.
Ah yes, because every Hungarian POW was in the Arrow Cross. It's not as if any of them were ordinary peasants/workers that were conscripted and were still wasting away in POW camps years after the war was over.
Are you saying that workers shouldn't be allowed to freely express their opinions in a worker's state?
Yes they did, Nagy officially changed the Hungarian flag to the tricolour with the Kussouth emblem in the center (absent the crown and cross). This symbol was used by Hungarian revolutionaries in 1848. During the second Soviet attack beginning Nov 4th, rebel forces painted the Kussouth emblem on vehicles to identify them as their own. The flag with the hole was only used temporarily.
The game Assassin's Creed Syndicate features a watered down, basically liberal Marx as a character. In addition its widely known that bourgeois regimes have a tendency to appropriate radical historical figures for their own ends.
Many communists were among those calling for punishment. Again, the demands were for specific individuals to stand trial for specific crimes, not just random repression of party members, which is actually what Rakosi had been doing in the purges of the early 50s.

*refused to advocate for a return to capitalism.

Nagy started moving away from ML and I mentioned that in one of my first posts, that he started to mellow out and go more left com.

Seeing what the advocated and the above they may have been right.

Forgot this part: