I want some insight on life in a modern-day Socialist country, as well as insight on so-called "Socialist" socdem countries. First-hand experience would be greatly appreciated.
So i want to start this thread by asking; what would be the benefits for a high-school-educated poorfag living in a LSC hellhole defecting to NOKO or Cuba? Would it be worth it? What about for living in a socdem country? How are NEETs treated? How are the disabled treated? Is work guaranteed regardless of whether your boss likes you enough? Is work better or worse? Dystopian totalitarianism? Is marijuana legal?
I hope this thread gains traction; It might be helpful with the incoming global economic recession in capitalist countries.
Actually LIVING IN a modern-day Socialist country
Anthony Morales
Julian Mitchell
I don't have first hand accounts but officially it is impossible to immigrate to DPRK or Cuba without technical skills that those countries seek. You can visit as a tourist but if you want to stay long term you need some skills that can contribute to the economy.
Easton Jackson
"Is marijuana legal?" All drugs should be banned.
Connor Rodriguez
Marijuana is legal in North Korea.
Connor Russell
it's called the DPRK
Zachary Moore
Not sure which of these questions are directed towards socdem countries, but I'll answer them from a Danish POV.
There are different types of welfare, some organized by labour unions and some organized by the state, but regular state welfare is given to anyone currently without job or education. A young adult without kids will recieve something like $900-1000, which is enough to live. (it may sound like a lot to Burgers, but shit is expensive here, it's almost impossible to find a small 1 room apartment for less than $600/month).
So neet life is pretty stable, though you are forced to show up to a sort of rehabilitation program and prove that you are looking for a job etc.
If you are disabled you can apply for preemptive pension (though this is getting more and more difficult) or you can get a job at a private employer through the state, where the state pays a portion of your wage to compensate for your disability.
No
Uh than what? I assume work is better here than most other places due to our unions securing a lot labour rights and benefits, though there are many loop holes that are exploitable by the capitalists.
Depends on who you ask, but yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Could you repeat the question?
No, I got busted some years ago :^( Thankfully there's a 50% discount on tickets for students. Around 40% of young people have at least tried smoking, and around 8-9% smoke regularly or semi-regularly.
Adam Perez
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Adam Butler
Adam Taylor
The nazis also wore shoes and ate soy. Should we ban shoes and soy?
In fact it sounds like we need to drug our propagandists up to deliver such powerful speeches as Hitler did.
Xavier Powell
drugs are fascist
Christopher Jenkins
If you think that defective people who can't go with alcohol, cigarettes, weed or anything else will be anything you're retarded. Seriously even if they hold a job and are technically "productive" they just exist and are well defective. Another drink to get through the hard day.
Anthony Wright
Well we do have Christiania, where the access is easier (even though still illegal).
Christiania also operates under a form of AnCom, surprising it's not brought up more often on leftpol. (You can not own property, every decision is made by community meetings) they are still, for the most parts, part of the Danish jurisdiction unfortunately.
Alexander Lewis
Does it really though? Most of their businesses seem to be privately owned. The biggest business, Christiania Bikes, is owned by two people with 26 full time employees. There are some coops, but they are not owned communally, and I'm assuming the drug stands are privately owned.
And even though they wont call it a state, they have a state, regardless of how decentralized it is. They collect rent and taxes and even have at least one state owned business.
Brandon Thompson
Does anyone know how Vietnam is like? It's the only ML state that I haven't heard much critique of.
Liam Smith
I guess my description was misplaced. There is privately owned business inside the state (restaurants, dealers, bars), but a lot of the states policies are more socialistic, at least when it comes to property. There are no landlords, but instead it's distributed among the community members (which means you also have to take part in the community to be considered of course).
As i understand, the people living inside Christiania partake in a form of mutualism, when it comes to food and other resources.
So i guess it's a Socialistic mutualistic community, with influence from Danish Democracy, all economically still under capitalism.
Kevin Thompson
Are the Ø and F parties based?
Adrian Perez
Soon.
Sebastian Long
What if you get a girlfriend in those countries, can you migrate as a spouse? just get a cuban girlfriend bro
Owen Jones
Both are simply moderates having to function inside Capitalism, with their focus on immigrants, idpol and climate (especially last election). Non of them are gonna make any real change, maybe Ø could, but they are too radical to be considered for any true parliamentary power, the moderates rather vote for centrist politicians.
DKP is based, and maybe old school SF.
Adam Peterson
Aksel Larsen was based AF
(Newspaper says: Aksel Larsen send to Moscow to swear allegiance to Stalin)
Brayden Stewart
Ø is pretty based, it became a party in 1989 as a merger of a whole bunch of radical left wing parties, from anarchists to MLs to greens.
They lost a lot of bite over the years and are forced into discussing the mainstream points like immigration and climate change, but their program is still officially anti-capitalist, with talks about the means of production, wage labour, class struggle, imperialism etc.
While they do engage in some idpol and call themselves a feminist party, they usually do it from a class perspective and not in the liberal sense. They are claiming that women's rights in Denmark are primarily a product of capitalists needing women in the labour pool, thus giving women economic independence (basically straight out of Lenin). And they support stuff like equal maternity leave for both parents (where it's only for women at the moment).
They also have a really cool policy of not allowing any party members/employees to stay in the party for too long without going out and getting a job for a few years. I forget how long they are allowed to stay in the party and how long they have to be in the workforce.
Oh, and they want out of NATO and EU.
For a party with such views, it's quite amazing that they have gathered 6-8% of the votes in the last decade.
F used to be "democratic socialists", but now they only really cares about climate and welfare, which is fine, but not at all radical.
Daniel Robinson
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Jaxon Perez
Any party that can get some functioning left unity going on is pretty based in my book. I read some of their articles and ideology in their website and they sound pretty decent, especially one article that denounced idpol as a weapon to undermine class consciousness.
But they seem too fixated on welfare and environment but I guess they are trying to push for a red government. I hope they change their rhetoric to labour and means of production soon. My own far left party should emulate Ø over say Podemos or Die Linke.
Mason Rogers
Got a link?
Daniel Lee
So if someone with a STEM graduate degree but a lot of student debt in their home country (from what I've seen to immigrate you need to prove solvency) showed up at Cuba or DPRK etc would they be allowed to stay?
Julian Moore
Based praxis
Lucas Martinez
Forget Cuba, just save up and go to Mexico. Just need $25k in bank balance or investments and they will give you a temporary residency visa (up to 4 years). Mexico has cheap housing (you just can't buy property 50km / 31mi from coastline as a non-citizen) and universal healthcare unlike USA.
David Ramirez
It would raise your odds of acceptance. Having real world work experience helps as well and I would imagine being part of a political party allied with WPK or CPC will boost your chances as well.
Brody Morales
Pretty capitalist, and there are some super super underdeveloped areas, particularly in the South (lel) but it is pretty nice to live in from what I hear. I have a Vietnamese migrant friend who still visits family there and I know someone who lives long term there in retirement. There is also shenanigans with China which I don't understand
Matthew Torres
They complain a lot about work since if you want to have a normal life there you have to work for Japanese or Chinese companies.
One of my students was a 20 something guy working some IT shit for a Swedish company and he told me "My friends always ask me how to make good money, I tell them, just work for foreigners."
Had some good laughs with him, iirc the food and alcohol prices are more or less on the level of shittier Eastern European countries (comparable with my Serbia).
Jason King
You know what I think could be made scientifically beautiful? The environment of a central american nation.
Nolan Morgan
Both the DPRK and Cuba likely need technical expertise, the recent case of Cuba's new trains is probably a good example
Gabriel Campbell
ok
Blake Richardson
North Korea is obviously not a great nor an easy place to live. I doubt it represents 'socialism' even if its economy is still socialist. But Cuba should be great, everyone I know that went there loved it. Apparently ordinary Cubans are much much more aware of political issues than ordinary Euros/Americans simply because they are actively engaged in participative democracy.
Grayson Davis
frederikshavn.enhedslisten.dk
Sorry for the late reply.