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FAQ:
Zig Forums posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on Zig Forums, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of Zig Forums. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of Zig Forums, the entire name of Zig Forums was retained.

Non-leftists can come here to ask questions. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

No liberals here. We hate the Democrat party.
As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike Zig Forums, Zig Forums fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes."
Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.

Zig Forums exists to help the Zig Forums community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death.

While posters on Zig Forums have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat.

No.

RULES:
Don't:
-spam
-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit
-post any porn depicting underage (including drawings)
-deny the problems of climate change or imperialism
-attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit)
-voice support for NATO intervention, or explicitly state that you support imperialism in any context
-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)

Do:
-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary
-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

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youtu.be/l8XOZJkozfI
es.scribd.com/document/308584781/Elementary-Principles-of-Philosophy-by-Georges-Politzer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics
youtube.com/watch?v=1lVcU7VbLzY
discord.gg/StubhpS
youtube.com/watch?v=JyTiyIy5nL4
youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidationism
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No it does not. Zig Forums is a torture chamber, but for rightists. In fact, I was banned not long ago for "defending Jews". They are literally banning you for disagreeing with their world view. I was not insulting, not rude, and was clear I was there with the intention to learn about their views.

Zig Forums is a hug box, a safe space, an echo chamber, a hivemind or whatever else you want to call it. Is Zig Forums the same? I don't know, I've never been banned from here, nor do I hear stories of people being banned simply for espousing their view.

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Zig Forums has become an echo chamber for bluepilled faggots. It's compromised. That's why all the aut rightists are going here.

complete newfag here.
Can anyone explain to me how do i get one of those pretty flags?

faggot new-speak child*

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Nazis are always an acceptable target, and since they're generally ignorant lumpens, nobody with power really gives a shit if you beat on them. There's a lot of ignorant children who turn to antifa only because it lets them feel like they're making a difference and will somehow inspire revolution through their acts of violence.

If they went after bankers or CEOs the security apparatus of the state would just outright crush them, but I suspect a lot of them don't really want to face facts and admit to their complete powerlessness in the face of capitalism yet to decline.

Mind you, I understand antifa as a form of self-defense when facsist goons and hooligans target left-wing activists & politicians, but beyond that it's the revolutionary equivalent of jacking off in your room.

ANTI-FA only target fascists because the capitalists fear them more than they do communists. Most communist organisations are controlled opposition and ANTI-FA is made up of low testosterone cowards who are only there to feel good by beating up people. The even fail to do that if they don't outnumber fascists 30 to 1 and that might not even turn out well for them. See that Golden Dawn MP who held his own against ANTI-FA who tried to murder him.

Click on "Show posts options & limits"

Because nobody really cares if fringe retards to beat up other fringe retards.

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wew

Red this and still do not know what is Zig Forums

why are shitposting threads bumplocked and not deleted? rangeban those fags and erase their filth

Relatively new to being someone who actively discusses their political views. I find myself agreeing with a lot of the ideas on this board but I've yet to truly identify what I should "identify" as. Hoping you guys can help me out here.

Many small local governments (let's call them counties since I imagine them to be only a little bigger than the average US county which can vary in size and can be extremely small or big depending on population density but obviously only the fraction of the size of a state) elect reps for a series of technical branches (2 per "county" per branch). The branches cover "Logistics", "defense", "education" and "Law management". Each candidate is elected based on party representation using the "STV" process. youtu.be/l8XOZJkozfI

Counties are run by regularly elected officials, 3 for each branch on the local level which are interviewed publicly on their background and technical qualifications. All elected officials locally are reelected (or not, depending on the citizens) each year using "STV" again

Logistics handles resource production, land managment, resource distribution, and currency exchange.

Defense covered military training doctrine, placement of armed forces and installations, international intelligence, and handles military specific RnD.

Education handles public education and civilian research ranging from official civil projects to requisitioning research space and materials for independent studies.

Law management handles law making, law enforcement (including both catching and trial) as well as correctional measures to counter illegal acts.

Public area cameras, police cameras (vehicular and personal), but active monitoring of personal homes is illegal without consent or county order. Internet surveillance is an issue I don't have fleshed out yet but generally, if it's publicly available then it's all good, if it requires you to access a system without permission from the owner then fuck off without a court order.

Necessary for allowing fair exchange of excess materials and tracking those who contribute to society and those who don't but is ultimately just a management tool and no amount of money is worth compromising the sustainability of the nation. Interest does not exist on a county level and is only allowed on loans to foreign entities at a federal bank level and is handled on a case by case basis to ensure it will not cause issues within the nation. It may be paid back using materials in demand within the nation as actual resources we can use are always priority over money. All excess state resources are priced to manage and limit inflation.

Age, race, sex, place of origin and other things that are not in your control should not deny you human rights, jobs, or other advantages if you can still perform the required tasks for them in an objectively better way. Since there are no tasks required for things like basic human rights as defined by the law management council, it's kind of a default that you get them…

Beliefs and belief systems should only be only protected in this manner if they do not actively encourage or require you to discriminate against other discrimination protections or actively encourage or require you to physically harm or act with explicit intent to harm another person or to explicitly cause suffering to any living thing. (better figure out which parts you're going to keep in that holy book of yours because violent, bigoted zealots need to gtfo.)

Self defense is a basic human right. This extends to most types of weapons designed to instantly stop an attacker. That said, once the attacker is stopped, you need to stop and get a short distance away before waiting for attempting to contact law enforcement. Further use of a weapon on a noncombatant is illegal, however justifiable you might find it to be at the time.

Citizens should also attend basic training for a brief period of time to learn basic discipline, fitness, and self defense including with firearms as a part of their public education.

If you have any more questions I didnt cover, let me know.

identify as the unique one

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Thanks mate!

Do we have a discord?

Yes youd need an invitation though i think the dubtrack is better and friendlier though

Other colours were already taken

Was the Liberal Crime Squad thread deleted for being against the rules?

It seemed to disappear pretty quickly.

The fuck? Nobody on IRC? Do we have a discord?

How are we supposed to get organized, connected, and communicate during ops without real time chat?

we use the Zig Forums discord

I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: DISCORD IS PROPRIETARY AND THAT IS ULTRAPORKY

this

too bad there is no leftypol irc anymore.

yep that's a Zig Forumsack alright, nothing to see here

Aren't you special

I suppose this is a pretty basic politic question but from my understanding, Right wing is kind of pro "elite leading the many" and left wing is pro "everyone decides for themselves" or am I looking at the stances wrong. It's hard to get a good read because people seem to use "left" and "right" to describe so many different aspects of government and the words themselves don't seem to offer context clues. (like social in socialism or commune in communism)

that dichotomy is a false one, the dichotomy between the left and the right is the dichotomy of idealism vs materialism

es.scribd.com/document/308584781/Elementary-Principles-of-Philosophy-by-Georges-Politzer

link because can't find .pdf

So, then the left is based on idealism and the right on materialism? Those don't seem like mutually exclusive things but perhaps that is rooted in my perceived definition of the two.

For example, my thoughts of what materialism is that it is a way of thinking putting physical gains and loses as the way of defining success and my thoughts of what idealism is that it is a way of thinking that seeks to prevent undue suffering and being everyone to a state of mutual morality and fairness.

So by that logic, I could declare myself a far… centerist(?)… by supporting strictly policies that made sure everyone had at least enough resources to not suffer with a little extra reward for those who contribute to society more as would be "morally fair" so I would be a "material idealist". Sounds a bit like socialism in it's base form to me as materialism defines the measure of success and the idealism defines how that success should be distributed.

Beyond that, this ebook link looks like Scientologist propaganda using Marxism as a lead in and then going off into meta physics and eventually dialectics which I've only heard shady as fuck things about from anyone who isn't a Scientologist shill and even then it sounds like typical brainwashing and hypnosis.

I'm impressed that despite being handed a very easy source you've still managed to get everything wrong.

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Man, I'm surprised you can read at all.

Dialectic

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

Dianetics

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics

I have problems replying to some threads.

Posting goes to 100% and freezes. Am I alone in this?

It happens to me when I try to post with a URL in the body

Apparently, long posts for me are enough.

What is the limit? 5000 characters?

I was told there weren't limits on leftypol!

There is censoring tho.
try typing:
without the spaces

I had the same problem two times, last time it was because of an arbitrary short sequence of non-alphabetic ASCII characters (single quote + minus sign, or something else like that)

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And right now I can't post pic related in >>1151851 for some reason

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I forgot to add that it's not due to the trademark signs

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Sorry to fill up the thread with my shit, but I just wantna be like a nice user of some open-source software, and now I remember, it was single quotes just at the beginning and the end of a spoiler tag…
Double quotes worked fine

Questions

It's the season of consumerism and it's getting to me. Especially where I live. It's almost like a cancerous thought that's been installed into everyone's psyche.
Would communism destroy this capitalist notion?
I assume it would. People may value spending time with family and enjoying their work rather than chasing material objects.
I'm also interested in learning how a communist views the united nations, and whether they find the group valuable.

Thanks in advance

Yes, in all probability. Christmas as a concept would be reduced to a few traditions carried on by those who wish to keep them alive.


It's a relic, the result of two world wars and the Cold War. It remains because it helps, to a degree, the five permanent members of the security council manage their antagonisms. It also serves to legitimize whatever bullshit they're up to, though as we've seen with the US and Russia, for example, they really don't give a shit. It's nice to have but it's not going to stop them otherwise. Everyone outside the security council better watch their step. That's the UN in a nutshell.

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simply epic

Posting in parts because fuck codemonkey


Traditionally social conservatism and economic liberalism has been identified with the right, social and economic liberalism with the centre and lastly, anti-capitalism and social liberalism with the left. The placement of newer ideologies with different positions than those above has been usually based on the similarity or at least affinity with these traditional positions.
And so, social democracy usually stands for centre-left, as they are more left than centrist liberals, but they opt for capitalism with welfare rather than getting rid of capitalism, which means they cannot be strictly classified as the left. They can be also tolerated by both centre and left, which is another argument for such placement.
Christian democrats are sightly less conservative and even get some regulatory("left-wing" for the sake of simplicity) economic policies, additionally they are bearable for both trad right and trad centre, which is why they are classified as centre-right.

This division starts fucking up when you get heavily conservative people who prefer heavily regulated capitalism or even socialism, with most famous example being fascists. Nevertheless, they are still usually seen as right(and far right in case of fascism) merely because they share greatest affinity with regular right-wingers despite not being economically liberal. Even so, they are full-blown nationalist socialist ideologies like National Bolshevism or Asserism who without a doubt are nigh-impossible to place on the conventional spectrum.
Similarly lolberts and ancaps are also hard to place, since they have strong opinions and other configurations have been already taken. They are without a doubt "radical", but far-centre sounds silly and far-right is already taken by groups with almost completely different policies(statism, anti-liberalism, anti-individualism).

thanks for this

so not guarding against internationalism is somehow pro-worker?

I belong to an international union. People look at me like I'm insane when I point out that foreign workers drive down our wages.

Then those foreign workers should unionize to demand higher wages

I'm new to chans and am still lurking but would you guys recommend a proxy while posting?

And a few questions about socialism.

1) How would healthcare work? Specifically, if I take care to be healthy and active my entire life while someone else does not, is there any benefit of needing less healthcare? Say they need several heart surgeries as early as 30 and continual treatment/surgeries while I don't need any.

I understand "to each according to their needs" but what if the needs of one are significantly higher than the needs of another?

2) If I develop a really useful software in my free time, what do I do with that software? Do I turn it over to be distributed among the workers? Is there any reward for developing such a software?

3) How are luxuries handled in communism? Say I want an in-ground pool in my yard. How do I get it?

I understand that I could not get my in-ground pool unless the needs of others were fulfilled first. But if the needs are fulfilled, how would luxury be distributed?

In a communist society, most people would be workers therefore the actual time needed for work from the individual would be lowered. Say 3 day work weeks. What is there to do on the other 4 days of the week if there are no luxury items? No pools to swim in and so on.

Do you think that your variant of socialism can work today without any modifications in a globalized world? What books show the way to build a socialism for the 21st century?

The whole point of my variant of Socialism is that it had to be modified to existing circumstances, not applied willy-nilly.

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That's not how any of this works

is Holidays wordfiltered? wtf why

youtube.com/watch?v=1lVcU7VbLzY

i came as a Zig Forums falseflagging retard here after your little raids have started
and so i kept making posts and threads ranging from normal things to utter nonsense
but now
i kinda want to give up
the last few days this place is full of nonsense
the number of leaf tier threads here made me stop posting, my services aren't needed it seems
oh well, rip Zig Forums
enjoy

Good riddance

can I get a new invite for this Discord please?

I think that the funniest part about this post is that I absolutely know that he went and started bragging to his little discord buddies about how his "raid" 'took down leftypol' or some shit along those lines, as if anything he did here even mattered lmao

kek not me
but nice to know there are more autists posting here

I check the IRC and no one is really in there. Where is everyone on a discord? Or is there another IRC I could go to?

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Discord server owner here, BO still won't put the discord link up on this thread so here:
discord.gg/StubhpS

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why are so many lefties prone to infighting? /v/ and Zig Forums can majority cconcentrate into their own autistic hivemind of whats considered proper opinion, but why not here?

Believe the word here is torture chamber, without different opinions in a group that's what a group becomes. Thing with Zig Forums is at one time going back to the days of 4chan before moot got cucked it was not filled with just one mindset but over time the board was consumed and anyone that didn't agree with this main mindset was automatically just called a "kike/JIDF".

And the case with /v/ as far as I remember it's been like that a while but I rarely browse /v/.

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lel

Zig Forums BTFO
youtube.com/watch?v=JyTiyIy5nL4

we sure did, user. we sure did.

That was one unintelligent hillbilly with an equally uninteresting song

where is my Buddhist Socialism flag

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The Soviet Union has finished the transitional phase to Nirvana.

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He's a parody
Thanks to librul fact checking skills he even made it to Rachel Maddow.

This. pleasse make it happen mods!
Why do only Christians and Muslims get their flags?

Although, I think someone should make a better looking one.

i made an attempt but quit, looks kind of bad to me. what do you think?

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I think the wheel needs more detail and needs its proper shape. I wish i could help but I don't know how to edit images. I think the flag should not be attached to a background. see the christian commie flag or freud's cigar.

Is this actually the Desu BO lmao

hey Zig Forums can someone recommend me a good guide to understanding marxism? i want to learn everything from hegelianism to trotskyism, but i dont know where to start

Marta Harnecker

Okay, your neighbor here. What is >>1226006 about? Did you guys donate money to some organization so that you could get featured or something? Thanks for your answer in advance.
t. Zig Forums

yes

What was election night like on here?

I haven't been online since mid-2016 since I had surgery coming up and needed to sever my relationship with image boards to clear my mind of all the slurs used on here so I wouldn't say anything awful or stupid while waking up.

Not sure if it's really a good thing to be back but I feel a sense of reunification nonetheless.

i was really worried i was going to blurt out niggers or something else when i went under for my wisdom teeth last August, ended up just rambling about Basketball

top fucking kek, I also worry about saying racist shit when I get sedated

youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js

you know, I agree with most of the theory posted around Zig Forums , minus the `equality all races the same` bullshit. in a real socialist country, blacks will never work with beaners, gooks will never work with whites, and so on.. someone will try to screw over the other

I am a cumskin and my main work partner is a beaner, one of the persons who screwed me hard the most was a "fellow" cumskin

You are wrong and a cuckold

don't mind me just seeing where those sweet quints landed

where is that delicious get

Proletariat of the Sea

Communism for Coxswains
Commodore Communism
Capital Ship Communism
Communist Captain
Catamaran Communism
Sailor Socialism

underrated: Liquidationism
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidationism

As someone who used to be in the Marine (eng: Navy), this flag appeals greatly to me.

Kronstadt and Kiel

Can you please ban all those shitty Zig Forums tier bait threads? I get this is a SAFE SPACE for all kinds of Zig Forums but when they leave their shit everywhere it gets kind of annoying. Or at least contain all the Trump protest posts in one megathread. This is what happens if you don't >>1264695 - it's either a Zig Forums trickster or even worse a regular who fell for Zig Forums LARPing yesterday.

could do with a french election cyclical tbh

kek thats a good one

the basic ethical question is what is to be done, and this only matters when we have agency.

And that's why I'm not a liberal.

FUCKING LIBRUHS!!!

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How can people here unironically pretend that liberalism, Obama and Hillary are worse than Trump even though Trump is the definition of rich CEO who will abuse his place for profit directly and might even move towards fascism with his "only trust me guys" attitude and the fact there are people who unironically do trust him and believe him.
The media might be lying and influenced but he is way worse with his lies

I guess some of the reasoning is that he won't put much effort into hiding what a scumbag he is, whereas Obama and Hillary does it constantly and even pretty well at times. Also, and related to the first point: he's easy to hate and it's easy to point out the shit he does. TL;DR: He is Darth Sidious, Hillary and Obama are Senator Palpatine (two facets of the same characters, if you don't get the reference, where Trump is obvious evil while Obama and Hillary are the two-faced schemers).

Also, there's the accelerationist perspective.