German Armed Forces

Shortfalls in the German army's personnel and equipment are "dramatically" hindering its readiness for combat, according to a new report. No submarines or large transport planes were available for deployment at the end of last year, the report says. It also points to failures in planning and leadership that have exacerbated existing problems in the military.

The report was published by the parliamentary commissioner for the armed forces, Hans-Peter Bartels. "The army's readiness to deploy has not improved in recent years, but instead has got even worse," Mr Bartels told reporters at a press conference in Berlin. "At the end of the year six out of six submarines were not in use. At times, not one of the 14 Airbus A-400M could fly," he said. Mr Bartels said all of the vehicles were being repaired at the time of the report. The condition of the military's fleet of fighter planes, tanks, helicopters and ships is described as "dramatically bad". The report also says a lack of spare parts and outdated equipment has left "big gaps" in the armed forces. It notes that thousands positions for officers were vacant, resulting in a lack of adequate leadership.

The report calls on the government to pursue reforms "with greater urgency" and increase the defence budget. Germany spent €37bn ($45bn; £33) in 2017 on defence - about 1.2% of GDP, well short of the Nato target of 2%.

The issue of defence spending did not play a major part in recent coalition talks, but Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged to meet the 2% spending target by 2024. "We will make the best possible equipment, training and support available to our soldiers," Ms Merkel said earlier this year. On Monday, a Nato diplomat told Reuters news agency that "German readiness levels are a serious concern". Germany has for years struggled to modernise its military as it becomes more involved in Nato operations. It scrapped conscription to become a professional army seven years ago, but in 2016 said it was considering a form of national service for civil defence.

Recurrent funding issues have been highly embarrassing. In 2014, it was revealed that tank commanders had covered up their lack of machine guns by using broomsticks painted black during a Nato exercise.

Other Nato members have also started to increase defence spending. The alliance faces a range of security challenges, including the Islamist insurgencies in the Middle East and Africa.

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What the fuck Germany, get it together.

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Nothing new, pooland could be in berlin in a week.
even fucking ukraine could do it and they are africa tier

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Stay mad Hans

and don't forget to prep the bull for Gerda

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Not at all. Maybe you could teach us how to fire up the ovens again. Like you did back then too, never forget polish deathcamps :^)
Also IF you ever invade please nuke Berlin and salt the earth. Thank you!

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Germany spends less of it's GDP on the military than Brazil and less actual money than India.
We sold 120 Leo2s for 180 million €, each vehicle would have cost 5 to 11 million € new.
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That seems unlikely.

What the fuck? Was someone bribed to do that?

Well that's the old:
Poland has 180 T-72
Germany has 360 Leo2
Germany gives (rather than truly sell) 120 Leo2 to Poland so they can scrap their T-72 because they're shit by new (read: just as old) stuff. And since they're pricier to maintain but way cooler Poland can have less tanks for the same job.

Oh and NATO is now stronger.

Anyone with half a brain can tell what's wrong with that picture.
But half a brain is already way more than what the people in charge of military budgets have.

No. In 2014 we simply decided that we had too many tanks to maintain because our budget was so low. It was also a deal to improve relations between Poland and Germany.
Today: HURR DURR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TANKS ANYMORE!
Can you see the logic?

Is it just simple stupidity though or does someone stand to gain from it?

Never presume malice where jews stupidity is an answer.

I think Occupied Rhodesia could be in Berlin within a week.

we do

they already are

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No you don't.
By feeding you cheap as fuck Leo2 Germany makes sure you rely on KMW for support for your tank fleet, meaning KMW can bribe all your tank related generals with cushy retirement plans perfectly legally.

And that's exactly what they need to cripple any plans of domestic polish tanks forever.

Guess who's their Defense Minister

Ursula von der Leyen
Aka:
and my favorite:

Poland will do you a favor once they invade
you should be used to foreign invasion by now

Learning from our trans-atlantic masters :^)

ERMAGERD, GERMARN REARMARMARNT EQULZ NARZEES! AAAAAGGGGHHHH!

They will push for an EU Army next so that all EU armies are equally cucked

But German ZOG would intervene in case of an armed insurection meant to remove the post-soviet government.
Could you collapse and start again without (((EU))) already?

Just you wait until we reinstate monarchy

What does the chicken symbolize?

But Chancelor Schroeder said that german repentance is over so German government started to look for a new perpetrator for the holocauster after paying Priceless 2 billion dollars yearly Israel ransom they demanded

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He stole acquired it from the local population so he wouldn't starve to bolster his provisions.

but Mummy Merkel wasn't listening.

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Then again, your prime minister didn't like germany enough to have two or more of them. :^)

You know I just decided to do a quick search for the Polish-Soviet War……..

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or
some of the Soviet military reports had the Polish army ending with more troops, artillery and horses than they started with

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The poles have this weird tendency to find soldiers all over the place.

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Presumably they want to a) starve out the Bundeswehr in favour of a EU army and b) use it as a pretext to militarize the police, who are infiltrated by Turks/Kurds/Arabs and buddybuddy with Antifa in some locations.

Basically sacrifice the German army to cuck the Polish army since it's the last major military power that could resist them? I guess that makes sense.

Do it and take back the fuckers over here.

Technically we already are a monarchy but the regency government is ZOG that will certainly be purged During Christ 2nd Coming

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>this free copy
Don't make me get the MG.

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The broomstick?

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That's a false statement. None of the songs were banned. They simply planned to make a new version of the book that didn't contain the following songs anymore:
Das Panzerlied, das Westerwaldlied, Schwarzbraun ist die Haselnuss, because the old version was printed in 1991, and less than 10% of those books were actually available, because most had been damaged or lost over time (or were taken home by soldiers for "training" purposes and never returned).
And guess which song we were ordered to sing a few weeks ago during battalion assembly? Das Westerwaldlied, all of it. Nobody gives a fuck what Flintenuschi thinks is racist or not. We do what we do.
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The next company always sings "Es ist so schön Soldat zu sein", which was composed in 1939. Literally nobody cares.


This is true though. We NEED more equipment. I am not even saying newer or better, just more. When you can't even give every guy a training grenade, or every team a fucking functioning radio, then you fucked up.

Guess it's time for Poland to save Krauts from themselves or what's left of it.

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My heart!

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Every single time I see a greek poster join a thread he replies to every post individually.
Learn2post, and pay your debts so we can arm our men!

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Frivolous posting is what got them into debt in the first place.

Say that 1v1 on my face and not online and see what happens.

Say that 1v1 on my face and not online and see what happens.

The greeks are going to be mono-replying in every thread just to spite you now, especially since he got dubs doing it. the trouble with you germans is that your mistakes are as well implemented as your successes.

Kick moderate rapefugees from your country and you'll have the money

Doesn't the EU effectively own the Greek government but can't actually manage to extract any value from it?

HAH!
Better luck distilling turk piss.

This is the price of gomunism.

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cute and adorable

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The EU doesn't care about money user, they're plenty willing to throw cash at a nation like Greece to prop up their state-building project.

FOUND THE PROBLEM

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maintenance contracts are where the money is.

As long as you have money and material, you can prop up a military force pretty quickly.

But what matters is the will to fight, I see some germans still have some northern spirit, but most are cucked puppies now.

To be fair, 1st Reich was best Reich.

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Found a bigger problem

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What's so bad about it?

funny thing about soviet army, after soviet attack in 17.09 some soviet units switched sides so they could fight against communists.

There is nothing fun about killing commies, it is hard work.

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Cleaning a pig sty isn't fun either, yet it must be done to enjoy bacon.

Naw, sty rotation is where its at and it doesn't fuck the landscape up what so ever.

battle bear

A far-right Poland invading Germany would be Max irony.

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You mean aside from the fact that it was written by people who literally had American guns pointed at the back of their heads, purposefully engenders political stasis and dysfunction and doesn't even make an attempt to base itself in anything but naked legal positivism meaning any "rights" or "freedoms" it guarantees are nothing but a arbitrary privileges granted by the state to be rescinded or curtailed when deem expedient.

The Greeks are too lazy to accept any state other than their own.

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Come on germany, hurry up and depose Merkel and Co and remake Fourth Reich/HRE already.

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Why doesa it even matter? The only threat to the West are the endless hordes of niggers, but the military is more than capable of wiping them all out if it comes to it.
Russia isn't a threat, Ukraine isn't a threat, no country is a threat. The only thing Germany needs to worry about is to save it's people from getting completely replaced by shitskins.
How to make a pussified male generation 101

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Για τη Γερμανία λέμε άνον

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Τα οβριά και τα μουχαμέντια δεν ξεχωρίζουν φλώρους ξανθομπάμπουρες από κάποιον οριακά πιο ανοιχτόχρωμο από το κουραδί της πέτσας τους, όλους τους >λευκούς ή νεκρούς ή δούλους μας θέλουν.

user… I,
Where do you think you are?

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I must have forgotten.
Why did you have to remind me?

yea very nice
just nuke us already, i don't want to suffer anymore

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This is what I means when I say the germs lost their northern spirit.

What happened to bravery borderlines stupidity? Never give up and all that.

The German people have been put to sleep by the perfidious anglo and the jew. 70 years of Brainwashing has taken it's toll on the mind of the people. Hard to wake up.
I want to see a nice future but everything looks fucked beyond repair

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Look not to despair, but to wake-up.

Kinda like Theoden in LOTR.

Everything seems lost, but it's the darkest before the dawn.

500 μάντρες αρχίδια θα μας κλάσουν. Το μόνο που μπορεί να πάει στραβά είναι να μας τη πέσουν όσο είναι ακόμα τα κομμούνια στη κυβέρνηση. Προσωπικά θα ψηφήσω Χρυσή Αυγή για να μην γίνει αυτό

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Friendly reminder that Russian DM was draft dodging motherfucker who escaped mandatory conscription despite Afghanistan war been in its height. He was able to did it because his father was equivalent of the city major (additional points for his father for been minority inclusiveness hire). Entire career of the Russian DM was non military. He is no less civilian than hags above. But it so easy to trick burgers with flashy hat, like you are talking with children.

Actually of top 3 Russian current executive branch positions: president, PM and DM no one was in conscription service everyone dodged draft in USSR which had mandatory conscription. Makes you think.

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Have a better version m8.

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Polish one is an old trade unionist as well, he's never served.

That said, at his previous position as a chief commander of an emergency & rescue service, he did excellent job, miles better than all his predecessors. You should care more about performance than lineage.

Talking shit about a man who singlehandedly
>caused butthurt for almost two decades among the (((MSM)))
>Wrote a bill that would make public names of all soviet traitors who performed public functions from voivode (state senator equivalent in terms of importance) and above unfortunately President lech wałęsa was one and dissolved the parliament overnight during vacatio legis

Why did denazified Germany cause more harm than Third Reich could ever dream of?
Was it autism?

solo posting is a way of life!

Because back then we were actually the good guys.

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It would be an even fight, and only if Poland attacks first as fast combat favors the guy who starts the war, so….

They have same personnel numbers, about 175 thousand personnel both.
Poland has over 200 active Leopard tanks. Germany has around 200 active Leopard tanks as well.
In addition Poland has about 1000 older soviet tanks, but I'm not counting those.
Poland is ahead in artillery as well, and their light armored vehicles outnumber Germans.
Germany has 6 submarines to Polands 4, and Germany has 37 surface combatants to Polands 32, so a slight edge there.
Germany has 104 fighters to Polands 79, a slight edge there as well for Germany.

The main advantage for Poles is they could be in Berlin in under 2 hours. German government wouldn't even get up at night to respond to a threat, so Poland would have potential six hours time to do with as they will before any response even BEGINS organizing.

Nah even in its current destitute situation Germany is untouchable for Poland.
At first there is the Problem that Germany is one of Polands most important trading partners, so the moment they attack Germany the polish Economy gets a heavy kick in the nuts. This would already be a bad start for Poland to enter the war.
Then there is the fact that Poland gains nothing from getting to Berlin in two hour, as the German government can abandon the city and move to the old West German capital Bonn and make use of the old Cold War infrastructure installed there, fun fact part of the German government is still in Bonn and hasn't made the move yet to Berlin. In other words the first stage of a war between the current Poland and Germany would start with Poland hurting its economy bad and then getting to Berlin after some fighting, only to learn they have nothing gained but a bankrupt city full of internationalist faggots.
Also while the Minister of Defense is currently the useless and insane bitch Ursula von der Leyen, she is mostly just a figure head and desk jockey. The person actually in charge of commanding the Bundeswehr during its daily operations is the Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, who is currently General Volker Wieker.
And if Volker Wieker manages to escape to Bonn, while the civilian government faggots perish in Berlin he will get the biggest Zig Forums boner of any general in the milky way, because he is not only in charge of the entire military during wartime, but Polands attack on Germany would also mean that the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany was broken, which frees the Bundeswehr from all restrictions that have been placed on the German Military since the end of World War 2. This Treaty is the only thing that stops Germany from assembling nuclear weapons, as by Germany's current technological level building a nuclear bomb is as easy as LEGOS.
So by attacking Germany first, Poland manages to put Germany under a single ruler, who can call for mass mobilization, use everything the Bundeswehr still has in inventory(including hundreds if not thousand of military vehicles of both the Bundeswehr and NVA) from the Cold War and who can get his hands on weapons of mass destruction of every kind in a matter of weeks, while the German economy starts to have a little surplus since the Germans no longer have to pay for their useless government, cover Berlins dept and the war is temporarily a massive opportunity for the German industry.

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How do you lose a machine gun on a tank? They're bolted on for fucks sake.

Aren't those the ones where the filthy kikes prepared to genocide 6 million innocent Poles and were saved just in time by the invading Germans?

This "you can't attack your trading partner" myth needs to fucking die. Russia was responsible for literally 100% of the wood in the ships of Victorian England, yet they didn't hestitate to engage in the Great Game. France was Germanys #1 trading partner before WWI, and Soviet Russia their main source of oil before WWII.

Your trading partner is at the top of the fucking list for attacking people.

Please. 9/10ths of this is the sheer surprise of it. Poland can put a bunch of German flags on their tanks and be in Merkels bedroom before anyone realizes a thing, and Poland can have 1,000 tanks and 10,000 armored vehicles in Bonn before the German minister of defense can untangle herself from the 12 niggers tag teaming her to take the priority phone call.

The only hope is using the air force and navy to smuggle out a government in exile. Not the actual leaders of Germany, but a few top tier secretaries who can sit in Brussels pretending like they run the country that is 100% under Polish occupation.

And after three months of occupation when Germans realize the Poles are genociding the Muslims, 90% of the Germans would glue little wings to the back of their t-shirt.

Thing is, Germany is a nuclear country, Poland isn't.
Nukes were a mistake.

They didn't lose it, it wasn't delivered on time for the exercise and since the exercise was just a simulation, they just simulated having a machine gun.
The problem was caused by the fact that the exercise happened in 2014, but the serial version of the Puma IVF was first delivered to the Bundeswehr in 2015. So the Unit who did it went basically with a prototype to the exercise that wasn't fully equipped.
Another situation that lead to this was the fact that the Government has no idea if it want's to equip the Bundeswehr to be ready for the chance of a NATO land war with Russia or equip it to be NATOs mercenary bitch that invades far away countries and quarrels with insurgents.
The result is that 350 Puma IFV are planned to replace 500 Marder IFVs and while the Puma IFV is a solid upgrade to the Marder IFV, its not build to the specifications that either side wishes for and the low numbers ordered causes the production to be slow.


First I didn't say this, secondly it isn't a myth that starting a fight with your trading partner is a fucking stupid idea and does hurt the economy of the countries doing it big time.
WW1 was a fucking disaster for both France and Germany, it cost them both their colonial empires and caused them to be in economic troubles for the most part of the 20th century. Facing mass starvation and losing their best generations.
What are you twelve? This idea of the entire Polish Army acting like a bunch of invisible Ninjas is nothing but a sad joke.

What? Where did you hear that? All the nukes in Germany are American, and answer only to American key codes stored in the Pentagon. Given that you're both in NATO and you actually contribute more, it's far more likely that we'll either aid you or stay out of it.


You understand that practically all of titanium in America during the cold war came from USSR, and Soviets depended on USA for food aid?

Seemed to work when it came to capturing Crimea without a fucking shot fired. Same thing will happen to your country if Poland ever fully develops a set of balls.

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That is only the official story. The reality is that Germany is more like Israel when it comes to nuclear weapons, where it is a big MAYBE if they have nuclear weapons or not.
The key to understand is that Germany already has everything to assemble nuclear weapons and deploy them and the only one saying they haven't or wouldn't do it is the word of the German government.
Germany has military personal trained in taking care and deploying nuclear weapons by the USA.
They have the machinery, knowledge and radioactive material to build their own bombs and the technicians, engineers and scientists able to build their own bombs.
They also have the experience in running a nuclear program, by assisting other nations in developing theirs.
And that is not even talking about the stories of German Submarines transporting nuclear weapons for NATO and then vanishing from everyone eye for a long period or how France made Germany the offer that they can have access to theirs if they want or you know the fact that the submarines that Israel is using for their Second Strike capabilities are build by Germany.
You understand that this point doesn't defeat my argument or the point I made? The USA and USSR never went directly to war with each other, because it would have been the end of everything for them.
Only in Russian propaganda was there never a single shot, also it took them several days to completely capture the Crimea and everybody knew from the beginning that it was the Russians behind it, so much for stealth.
Also the Crimean takeover by Russia started a conflict that still isn't over and that is still financially hurting Russia deeply.
Also never.

*goes around his forces*
What do you do?

To be fair, everyone who is not literaly goatherding nigger have ability to make nuclear weapons. See: Poo-in-loo, Pakinstan

Last german uranium enrichment facility in gronau was shut down. There are no places to make plutonium. What do you propose to make the bomb from? At best you can make a dirty bomb, and you don't even have ballistic missiles to deliver it with. Need to use an air launched cruise missile, subsonic, with a range of five hundred kilometers.

Your country runs on wood burning plants generating steam for electricity. That technology predates even coal burning plants of 1800s. You have regressed to Africa tier, the only thing that lets you maintain an illusion that you live in a stable country are the funds you steal from EU member states. In all other terms, you are a banana republic.

The more Germany tries to assert its independence in the future the more hostile the US and greater anglosphere will become. Germany discusses gas pipeline with Russia ukranian revolution happens, Germany votes against US military actions in Libya the UK leaves the EU, Germany says it wants an independent military the migrant crisis happens. The next 20 years of military action will be the US trying to contain emerging powers Germany is Europe's emerging power.

The same bankers control both.

From the close to 1 t of enriched uranium Germany has still in storage for "scientific research". Germany owns more enriched uranium than India or Israel. Little boy used only 64kg of enriched uranium, but with modern technology you need as little as 16kg for a working nuclear bomb.
So Germany has enough material to build between 15 and 62 nuclear warheads on the spot. This doesn't favor in the fact that Germany has the technology to build new facilities in a short time.
Even the nuclear bombs the USA has in Germany are still deployed by aircraft. Germany has several options(aircraft, submarine, artillery) to deploy a nuclear war had on Poland if it desired to do so, thanks to the fact that the industrial strong regions of Poland are also close to Germany.
Ajo and Poland has no real way of defending against this thread, because they would never know when the nuke comes and they cannot intercept all of Germany's attacks to 100%.

K den.

You have the highly enriched uranium needed for a nuclear bomb? Post sources.

You are retarded. Your country can't make a nuke in one day while Polish tanks are raping you.