Alright, Zig Forums. Learn me a thing on bolt-actions and why they're good or bad. In the day and age of modern firearms, what's a good reason for getting a bolt-action?
Current options for me include Mossberg MVP Scout (AR and M1A mags) or the Bergara B-14 HMR. Both in .308.
Discuss.
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Only school shooters buy AR-16s and AK-74s are for alt-right commie-nazi russkie hacker agents. No responsible gun owner has either one of those, or anything like them. In fact, they should probably put you on a watch list if you do. As such, if you buy anything other than a bolt-action, you're basically a criminal in the making, unless it's a lever-action. Even then, most people aren't cowboys, so you don't need those.
lol gungrabber b8/8
you can shoot black powder cartridges in a bolt action, and you can make black powder fairly easily, really cuts down the cost.
Abhorrent post.
If you're a burger i'd say there's no practical advantage for a bolt action at all (maybe in weight?). If on the other hand you're a euro-cuck bolt actions are more available legislation wise and less conspicuous in the eyes of police.
I'm surprised melanin-swedes are smart enough to use grenades.
They're fun, and aren't they more accurate at long distances than semi auto? I think they would be good for hunting, more cost efficient perhaps. But for self defense? No, they've been obsolete since mid WWII.
go semi-auto unless you want to spend 5k+ on a custom rifle to shoot steel at a mile out. a quality AR10 build should outperform either of the rifles you mentioned, whether it's for range fun, hunting, defense, or punching ballots at long range.
more accurate, because on average they're siffer and have fewer moving parts
cleaner
cheaper, relatively speaking
you can use larger rounds in them, like magnums
They're mechanically simple and cheap. Like others have said they're more precise than autoloaders, but your average shooter isn't skilled enough to notice the difference, and even then it's only significant at long distances.
Also, since the action is manually operated you don't have to worry about really weird loads over or under-gassing the system. But if you're making loads hot enough to damage a regular gas system you should be really, really sure about the pressures ratings on your rifle's chamber and bolt even if it is a bolt action.
Bolt actions can handle STIFF handloads a lot better than many other rifles with the sole exception of falling block rifles, and you can get them in magnum cartridges. The other big advantage bolt actions have if you're cream of the cream in shooting is that with a good set up you can achieve .5 moa.
TBH though were I in your position and didn't already have a semi auto in .308 I'd get one.
there's a company that manufactures ARs in 7mm rem mag,14rd mags.
A what?
It's the shoulder thing that goes up
How much are you willing to spend with the optic included and what do you want it for? General "I want to learn how to shoot accurately" rifle? Hunting?
How set are you on .308?
He just means the barrel isn't covered all the way around.
tbqf I'm a bit afeared of Bergara's reputation when it comes to feeding rounds.
Bolt actions are cheap, mechnically accurate, simple to maintain and fix, and generally lighter than semiautos. They also take hot handloads better and generally have less feeding/ejection problems.
They're also great training rifles and come in every conceivable caliber. Everyone should have at least 1 bolt action.
I would suggest a Tikka t3x or a Howa 1500.
They're very accurate and well made while not being too expensive and there are aftermarket chassis for them made. by MDT and KRG.
Swiss k31s and swedish 6.5 mausers are fantastic milsurp rifles, but ammo is expensive.
My budget would likely be a 700-900 dollar with a Primary Arms-tier optic. Competent, but far from elite.
General accuracy-improvement and plinking.
I have a semi auto in 308 already so ammo commonality would be attractive.
thanks for the heads up, maybe I could substitute the MVP LR.
I have looked into the Howa and was interested in a few. However, I keep coming back to MVPs due to the mag availability and the value for price. I'll remain open to suggestions.
Buying in bulk, you can find 7.5x55 for about 50 cents a round, that's comparable to .308.
So far very good advice in this thread.
Get one that takes AI type mags, and consider a 6.5 caliber. You could always neck down your .308 brass to .260 Remington if you get into reloading.
why would you touch your rifle barrel wew
Many AR-15 weigh only 2 fucking pounds unloaded (1kg), Sven…
I wouldn't use modern 6.5 swede in a surplus gun.
Just get a magnum and thank me later
150gr in 7mm magnum or 180gr in 300 neutralizes the BC bullshit and you still have a faster, more powerful round. Plus the ammo costs as much as 6.5 mememoor.
really? usually historic calibers are way down loaded from original spec like 8mm mauser and 380 are
So NutnFancy finally went all the way with his ounces and pounds philosophy?
You will need a bit more if you want a mount too. I'd look into howa heavy barrel varmiter. Nice rifle for the money.
Decide barrel length based on how interested you're on trying to push it in distance. If you're not going to go past 600 meters, a 20 inches barrel version might be better for accuracy. To reach out to the limit of .308, you will need the extra barrel and .175gr pills.
Yeah, over in Euroland they made 6.5 swede a really hot loaded round in comparison to the m/41 they used in those guns, Ljungmans grenade if you feed them anything hotter than surplus m/41. Its why you see a whole bunch of sporterized surplus Swedish mausers in the US as well as leafland. In regards to 8x57 being downloaded is because some idiot put a proper .323 loaded 8x57 into a Turk Mauser with a .318 bore. iirc Prvi 6.5 swede is safe to use in the aforementioned swede guns, everything else will vaporize them.
I've never heard anything like that about 6.5x55, except for an anecdote about the old norwegian loads for their Krag rifles being much lighter than Sweden used for their Mausers. If you've access to articles or maybe a book I could track down I'd love to read about it.
Speer Reloading Manual #14 if I recall has explicit handloads for mausers/krags and moderns guns and my Modern Reloading states that the 6.5 loads are for modern guns only. Alliant has divided their 6.5 for commercial guns and surplus ones.
Low rate of fire, duh. But other than this…
Which as usual means more reliable and easier in maintenance.
You make me ashamed we live on the same soil.
Working the bolt is fun.
Something tells me that this claim is false.
I wanna be in this screencap.
Damn it, the slots for new banners are all filled.
Shooting really small groups, looking cool, and cost. Other than that, not much anymore.
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168 gr Sierra should be enough. You lose too much velocity in .308 with the 175-180 bullets.
and you definitely want a 26" barrel on the .308 if you're pushing out really far.
So your wife said she weighed only 50kg, and you wonder why your auto shocks wore out? user…I…
alright, if nobody has screencapped Sven's retardation and made it a meme, it needs to happen. This is classic Zig Forums material.
my bad, not Sven.
The Norway dude.
What?
Good utilitarian rifles for killing most game, AWB proof.
Not in Australia
I choose to believe he meant 2kg, which should actually be possible.
Nah. If that were the case, he wouldn't convert it to one kg/ pound if he just mixed his units up. It'd go like