Mateba showed up at IWA out of the blue and had new manufacture with them. They've also updated their website and are listing the Unica 6, at 2000 euroshekels. New manufacture is confirmed in .44 magnum, other calibers are unknown. They're also currently producing the Grifone, and a few other Ghisoni-esque revolvers.
Some guy on cuckchan emailed them to ask about it and yes, they are coming to the US. They're in negotiations with dealers right now.
>Planning on dropping $2k+ on a new computer to run Revit/Video games >Car needs body work before rust starts to spread(might be up to $2k) >Still need $2k for spooky black gun if salt weapon ban passes This will stay on the market for years… Right? Did they fix the problems with the .44, like the gun being too hard on the wood grips?
Jack Myers
That's what the Grifone is. It's the Unica 6 in rifle format. You could do a conversion kit and swap back and forth, but that would probably involve tax stamps based on what it was manufactured as. Might be able to get away with an SBR tax stamp no matter what, but I dunno - but that's US laws, I don't know what you poor bastards would have to go through for something that can be a revolving rifle or a handgun.
Unknown to both. I'm going to drop my notions of an AK purchase and save like mad for when it does come out. If it's not stateside in 6 months I might buy a WASR, but I intend to keep a $2500 reserve so I can buy immediately when they hit, regardless of caliber.
Evan Scott
I hope so, I have to drop a minimum of 1.5k on my car because there's so many problems with it and I don't make shit because I'm only part time.
This gun was my first Zig Forums meme, back in 2005. It was a demotivational with its name and said to never ask about it again. Apparently it was used in a popular anime at the time and weebs kept showing up to ask about it. So this is kind of nostalgic, in a strange way.
Connor Price
This is kinda cool, but when are they going to build the fun guns from Ghost in the Shell?
How much is that in Ameribux? This is relevant to my interests. Can I get a customized grip for it?
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. It's very good even if you don't like anime and are therefore a huge faggot who likes western slags instead of pure waifus.
Brandon Wright
I just jizzed in me pants.
Luis Stewart
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'd rather get one with an 8'' barrel and make a folding stock to backpack with it. The price is reasonable if it works, I hope they are willing to export.
Isaac Diaz
You get some decent results out out 16-20 inch carbines, obv higher for the 20 inch, 2000 fps for a 125gr slug is easily doable in 20" with 19gr w296 equivalent. Elmer keith's 358429 in it's last rendition by arsenal is much better though, I am the same autist who wrote the posts about pcc advantages too
Daniel Bennett
So you be saying this chart is wrong? smh fam Just kidding, but I really never saw any thorough analysis on .357, only stats from manufacturers and some chronograph results from random internet people. I'm skeptical about getting much past the 18 inches mark though.
On a side-note, I read Instead of "pcc advantages" and giggled like a retard.
Sorry for my ignorance, but makes it that special?
Jaxon Cook
wait are you niggers saying this thing has a 16" barrel and slings 357? I never knew I needed this machine until now.
Aiden Flores
There is an 18 inches version with a stock . Apparently it also went back into production along with the standard Unica 6.
Angel Morales
Funny enough, the gun Togusa uses in SAC isn't a Unica, it's a 2006M.
And .44 magnum, and .454 Casull, although I don't know which ones are going back into production.
Asher Richardson
its a self-cocking ("automatic") revolver
Benjamin Johnson
If .454 goes into production and hits here in the grifone I will shitpost about it endlessly.
Christian Murphy
What's it going to take to get them to make an autorevolver rifle in a proper rifle caliber with at least 8-10 shots per reload? Mateba is apparently entering the rifle market, but the Grifone is basically a revolving PCC.
I was just thinking how awesome it would be to have a Mateba-like shotgun 🤔. Maybe 16 gauge to keep a reasonable cylender size/ammo capacity. A shame that the bullpup shotgun revolver never made it out of shotshow-hyped-product stage. It seemed like a sound concept.
Carson Stewart
Might be a bit of an issue with how the gun cycles. Long recoil has been done in shotguns since they started loading themselves so it may be possible. Just a lot of mass for the guide rails. And unless you can see through the wheel or somehow spin the whole operating system upside down, you will have a serious height over bore issue with the sites.
Jaxon Phillips
I am very, very tempted to buy one. I can't really afford it. But, I really want to get one, so I think I'll take the loss.
Which kind should I get? 44, or 357? 357 seems a load cheaper.
Owen Myers
Of course I wouldn't connect the barrel to the 6 o'clock position, the bore-over-sight would be huge. I meant the auto loading part of the mateba. A cylinder would be a good way to keep the overall length short without sacrifying too much ammo capacity or going mag fed. Since shotgun shells are -relatively- low pressure, it should be possible to cut down weight on the cylinder.
Juan Morris
Japanon, is it even possible to get a Mateba legally in japan?
Brody Perry
Both are wonderful cartridges. I mean if you're a handloader they can be loaded for dirt cheap. Some ausfriend here had a load for .44mag that was 10c a round.
Parker Jones
That'd be .357, which is a 158 gr pill sitting on top of 3gr AS30 (clays). Cheapest cast lead load I can make worth a shit is a 240gr pill on top of 12gr AP100 for 20c.
I'm Argie, we can import (it is a chore, but it is possible). I can also add stocks to anything without any paper work, all legal. If I were to get the long barrel, it should be as an aftermarket part, then I can add the stock on my own (probably get one made). I'd love a shorter one though, 18 inches is simple not practical for innawooding+plinking. The final price for me (after shipping, paper work and taxes) would be around 5000-6000 ameribucks.
Also, .44 is border line unobtainable and crazy expensive, only .357 would be ok (thanks to local fudds keeping the round relevant with their shitty revolvers). For what I understand, it can fire .38 special reliably with a simple change of recoil spring, another nice bonus to caliber.
Lucas Ortiz
I can't afford handloading, but 44 is some 50c a round, it looked like. Expensive.
Charles Campbell
God fucking dammit! When does your training in Japan end, so we can finally tell you from the legitimate Jap?
Tyler White
Such is life. There are the hand lee loaders for those who can't afford the press and such.
When will the Sphinx 3000 pistols be manufactured again?
Henry Sanders
Haven't heard of Lee loaders until now. Might have to look in to it.
So what's your opinion, then? 44, or 357?
Austin Parker
If you're just going to own one wheelgun, 44 mag. You can do everything .357 mag can do and more- consider that the low end of 44 mag is a 180gr bullet from a 16 inch bbl at 2100fps, versus a 170gr hard-cast keith bullet snapping out at 1500fps for a hot load. .357's chief advantage versus 44 mag is that it has the ability to use exactly fuck-all powder (3 grains of the fastest shotgun powder you can get your hands on is a MAXIMUM LOAD for .38spcl under a 158gr bullet) so that it's cheap af to feed, 10c as I said excluding if you value your labour at minimum wage including casting time per round.
Jace Sanders
10c a round is very tempting, honestly. But, then, if I'm spending that much on a pistol, I might as well not be a massive cheapskate about feeding it. Especially when I don't shoot that often, overall.
How much more we really talking, generally speaking, with 44? Looking online, cheapest price-per-round for it I found was some 50c a round. Whereas, 357 is closer to 30, with 38spcl lower than that. This is more or less my issue, at the moment, with deciding. 357 seems to be half the cost to feed.
Mason Gomez
>Car needs body work before rust starts to spread(might be up to $2k) Just take a grinder and remove the rust yourself, then weld on replacement steel and cover it with proper paint. As long as you do it properly and you already have the tools (you can rent a welder IIRC) you can save a couple hundred Dingo-Dollars.
I feel your pain. Living in bumfuck-nowhere and having no money to fix your car is basically a death sentence. You should always try to save some money for eventual repairs.
Mate, Italian guns have a long history of being sexy.
Jacob Garcia
Unless you're planning to face off against some large animals with your revolver, the .357 is cheaper to feed and more convenient as a carry gun.
Robert Flores
As mentioned before, I can give some pretty decent rounds for 20c for 44 mag, 1600fps for 240gr. 25-30c per round and I make full house 240gr SWC loads that would fuck up anything not from africa, 24gr AR2205/Lil gun.
In both calibers, this depends on you picking up bullet casting and getting good at it. Fortunately, wheelgats are the best kind of gun for this, as they are extremely forgiving provided you pay attention.
Then don't reply at all you tard, just man up and ignore the post completely. Getting baited into replying then being too much of a beta to actually follow through is worse than just being baited.
Robert Gomez
You should never ever put yourself into dire financial circumstances to buy a firearm, not even your raifu.
how the fuck did i miss this where the fuck is it tell me now >mfw its probably over 3000
Nicholas Green
It's $5795 for the basic model and it only goes up from there. Which is ludicrous, but there's only two of the originals known to exist so he can charge whatever the fuck he wants.
I literally have no knowledge about welding or painting a car. If anything doing it myself would destroy the value of my vehicle, likely more so than the rust spreading would.
It just means that I might miss out on this, or end up buying a used one for what would likely be a higher price if these fail.
So, how long until these hit the market, anyway? Gotta know when to sell my shit.
Thomas Sullivan
Call me optimistic or even naive, but I think it will be popular enough to get more production runs and come down in price.
Thomas Evans
Definitely naive. There's no real demand for an auto-revolver. Gimmicks are its only selling point, as wheelguns in general are a pretty niche market. It's not really got enough media portrayal to catch most folk's eye. Unfortunately, people who don't have a heavy interest in guns aren't likely to care about it, which means the potential sales are rather limited.
Dylan Ortiz
Most of the problem is that it's a part time job which means I don't make more than a 1000 dollars a month, and I live with people who refuse to manage money worth a shit.
Justin Anderson
So aside from it being unique, what does it have to it? It doesn't seem like a firearm you'd want for any other reason other than bragging and/or meme rights.
I just wandered onto that board and saw this design for an integrally suppressed striker-fired revolver. Makes me wish Mateba would make it for real. Maybe some streloks should make it.
Matthew Clark
They're exceptionally pleasant to shoot.
Kevin Roberts
I see you are also a man of culture.
That revolver reminds me of this weird KGB toy, the OST-38. It flattens the end of the cartridge to prevent excess gas from escaping, and is absurdly quiet. Unless you really know what you're looking at, ballistics will look like 7.62x39 fired from a very long distance.
That is aesthetic as fuck, I actually want one of those more than I want a Mateba
Logan Gutierrez
I did a translation and detailed explanation how the silenced cartridges work but lost it two computers ago. Basically they have a pseudo-necking, and there's a piston inside the casing. This piston is free to move backward to the primer and forward up to the necking, but is stopped from moving out of the casing by the necking. The projectile is very long, usually mild steel core with lead sheath, and fills the entire casing pushing the piston down to the primer. There is very little powder between the primer and piston. When the primer detonates the powder, the piston moves rapidly in the casing and is stopped by the pseudo-necking, but not before ejecting the long plug-like projectile.
It's very effective.
In perfect darkness the laser sight lets you aim from the hip without using the sights, and there is no flash upon firing. The only sound is the piston being stopped by the pseudo-necking, and it sounds like a metal buckle being unfastened, very quiet.
I'm guessing the catch is they aren't made anymore?
Blake Cruz
they are, you arent gonna get one though you live in the us, make em yourself
Sebastian Fisher
They're still in use by Russki special forces, so you can't exactly buy one. According to Kikepedia some stateside company modified Smith and Wesson Model 29s to work in the same way so you could probably make one yourself, as well as the ammo if you have enough money and autism.
Tyler Miller
They've been replaced by the PSS silent pistol. It's a bit louder because of the moving slide, but still quite silent. Notice the racking of the slide at 0:19 and compare with sound of firing the gun, it's the same.
OTs-38 are no longer produced but some are still kept in service because there is a supply of ammunition ready, and because the revolver doesn't leave behind any casings.
Pretty sure we can't buy it in America, considering all the sanctions and import bans.
Jason Moore
Isn't that just a pressure switch for the laser sight?
David Morales
I was going to say, it has a wire coming out of it and everything.
