Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier

>/quietly paints "S" over the "V" in VTOL/

I don't want to defend the F-35 but does not that imply shitty decks instead of shitty plane?

If it's good enough for almost everything else, then it's quite fair to assume that F-35 Merkel is at fault here.

It destroys decks that Harrier worked fine on, even the Yak-141 had no chance of doing that.

All the ships which once used the Harrier (or were built for it like QE) have to be modified with ceramic/steel mesh landing pads on deck if they want the F-35B to land vertically, at additional cost and dock time. Some aren't going to do it, and will just use the F-35 in STOL mode, it will take off and land normally.

No it's that specific design.
The problem already existed on Yak-141 but since soviet aircraft carriers were "heavy aviation cruiser" they actually had armored decks so they didn't give a fuck, they just put titanium plating everywhere it would get too hot for steel.
In fact it might be worse on the F-35B…

lmao

In our defense, after the Fall of Rhodesia caused by the peanut farming faggot Carter titanium was pretty unavailable to us to the point that the CIA had to buy it piecemeal from the soviets for the SR-71, plating a carrier with it would be damn near impossible.

Can't they strengthen them in some way?
That big, flat flight deck seems oddly suspicious for a helicopter carrier.

The jet engines on Yak distributed the heat more evenly.

F-35 has its full thrust, which is equivalent to its weight, being generated by a single engine. The waste heat of this engine is then focused at a single nozzle.
The Yak has its thrust generated by 3 engines, the waste heat of which is distributed across 3 nozzles. It's also lighter so needs less overall thrust.

It's just plainly a better design. Only way to improve on the Yak design is to use a single spinal mount engine for forward thrust, and a rack of PETA thrusters for vertical thrust.

Stop making America look bad.

Izumos were actually designed with a proper flight deck, they even have provisions for a ski-ramp for when they finally talk the politicians into buying some carrier jets (which will probably happen within the next decade).

please stop

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The absolute state of American education

So you are telling me that that F-35 throws up all the heat produced by an 170kN engine to a single point whereas that harrier had an 100kN's engine heat distributed on 7 points? NORTHROP WAS RIGHT AGAIN!

Also wasn't it supposed to have an exhaust coolant system , with fuel circulation or something, to reduce its IR signature?

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In some alternate universe Black Widows and Super Guppies are bombing the shit out of israel right now, but instead we're stuck in this shitshow.

Underrated post. We all know Canada has the cunts beat in shitpositng volume, but have they finally beaten the cunts in shitposting quality?

That's one way of looking at it, harrier could land on grassland basically, without any damage. The Yak-141 is safe for asphalt, but it would set a prairie on fire if it tried to land.

F-35B? I'm pretty sure it would dig a small crater if it tried to land on loose soil, fall in, and have to be scrapped. It's exhaust temp is over half the temp needed to melt sand.

And we built orbital colonies with all the saved cash!

And using B52's in their current state to bomb xeno scum.

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To be fair you don't know that particular strelok wasn't a nigger himself.
Occasionally they do figure out there's more to the internet than YouTube, social media and porn.
In fact one nigger I encountered was intrigued by the fact that one could use the internet to commit a whole new category of criminal activities. Eventually he was arrested for trying hold up a liquor store with a stolen iPhone in one of those stupid pistol shaped phone cases.
Later he was sodomized by a man that turned out to be his father.
Their reunion was short-lived however as his father's prison lover shanked him in a fit of jealous rage, after which his father disowned him for being a faggot.

Story time?….

Don't forget the F-15SMTE, the ASF-14 and the F-29 finally perfected and replacing its predecessor the F-20.

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And then dropped them, right?

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I do, this isn't 4Cuck.

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Never understood why they did that. Was it an obsolete colony?

Never played the video game, just projecting what the X-29 might had been called instead of F-24 following X-35/F-35 equivalence.

I recall as a kid in the 80s and before the stealth meme caught up with the public the X-29 and FSW in general was the most hyped design as the US next gen fighter.

Basically Northrop/Grumman would be able to build one like tomorrow. It was already an extensive-composite use design and fully FBW-dependent, its engine is effectively the same as the Super Hornet's and it's proven fully compatible with 3D-thrust vectoring through both the X-31 and the F-18 HARV.

Put it some F-16 avionics and hardpoints and it immediately becomes the most maneuverable aircraft in western arsenal. The only thing that would make a better point defense fighter would be a MiG-35 "downgraded" to MiG-29A configuration in order to sacrifice avionics and fuel capacity for lower weight and more refined airframe.

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I don't think so, see the F-5 was built around the concept of a kind of reverse-monocoque. A solid core (engine, fuel, cockpit) provides structure, and then all of the other parts are tacked onto that, and the skin is just an afterthought *makes it easy to upgrade with composites**. This means everything that needs to be maintained is skin deep, just crack open an access hatch and do your job. Compare that to MiG-29 where a lot of stuff is buried deep into the aircraft, so you have to remove ten things and cut a major structural strut to get to the thing you have to fix.

Northrop Grumman is an excellent company, with probably the best engineers in the world. Sukhoi/MiG is tied for a close second, dassault is a solid third, but Lockheed isn't even in the top five! I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want Lockheed in charge of weapons development. Even the generals and politicians! They might have short term gain, but their children will likely be riding around in Failure-35 being a missile magnet.

I was referring more to overall performance like rate of climb, acceleration, high-AoA etc, logistically the F-20 and Gripen would be much better than the Fulcrum for point defense, especially for temporary bases, but the X-29 has the innate disadvantage as a tradeoff for its innate advantage, compared to the similar F-20, of using more exotic airframe materials and being more depended to electronics for even level flight and that would probably close the logistic convenience compared to the MiG-29.

I would also intuitively note that the small and light X-29 with TV would make a good carrier fighter since, as F-15SMT/Demonstrated, combination of canards and TV make for some serious reduction of approach speed and landing distance, something that forward swept wings would further decrease while it would simultaneously significantly increase the dramatically decreased take-off payload of carrierborne fighters. What I don't have a clue about though is if wing folding mechanisms would be able to withstand the increased lift and idiosyncratic twisting of FSW.

I think they can be lighter, because they don't need a brake list to keep it in place.

No wait, I'm wrong, it's possible but it would impose the same mass penalty.

Why haven't there been any major military proposals/prototypes in that regard since technology demonstrator related?
You'd think (((they))) would like something that is more expensive to manufacture and maintain.

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Only slightly kiked reasons aka counting pennies.

FWS has marginally higher production cost material-wise, is a considerably more complex design for the wing construction and offers somewhat marginal advantages and I think slightly increased drag (for which it greatly compensates with significantly higher lift giving quite a significant advantage in lift/drag ratio).

Also see:
I believe is the main reason F-5 won over F-16 as the candidate for FSW modification because, and it's my assumption, there should be some more radical modifications on the airframe, than just replacing the wing, to make it aerodynamically compatible with the FSW, but that's just a personal hunch resulting by observing the existing prototypes compared to their baseline planes and by the airflow given for the configuration (pic related).

X-29 is barely recognizable as a modified F-5.

The Su-47, though a whole new airframe and based on the S-32 paper-concept, is pretty obviously developed from the Su-27 family and dare say more specifically the Su-37, therefore its original designation as S-37.

In both planes we see two same trends for modifications compared to their baseline models:
a) Elongated fuselage, presumably for greater wing attachment area given the higher lift.
b) Much reduced and much more rigid-looking tailplanes.
The Berkut has rather modest-sized tailplanes compared to the Su-27's yuge ones, especially if you consider ruskies' obsession for more and more aerodynamic surface; and the X-29 has, instead of conventional tailplanes, movable butt-LERXs in contrast to the F-5/F-20 that have almost the opposite configuration with nearly cross-shaped tailplanes. My assumption is that it has to do something with greater and denser or fuckier airflow as demonstrated in pic related.

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How much are the Russians paying you to make us look dumb

FSW really needs two engines, because all of its weapons need to fit on a lifting body rather than on the weird wings that sometimes vibrate at high speed.

The plan was to drop it on the Federation's HQ in Jaburo, which is basically an underground base the size of Tokyo built into the bedrock so a nuclear weapons wouldn't be able to penetrate it. The Federation found out and intercepted the colony with a fleet as it was being dropped, and changed the trajectory to hit Sydney, Australia.

Sage for off topic

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