Crucial supply and sensor aircraft which form the backbone of the military are pegged extremely vulnerable to adversary surface to air missiles.
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>The final option would be to have UAVs escort the planes and have the drones equipped with interceptors to destroy the incoming missiles.
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Zig Forums CALLED ME CRAZY WHEN I SUGGESTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT!
So instead, why couldn't you make the drone carry the fuel?
You're still crazy.
Crazy like a fox.
But then the enemy can destroy your entire regional fuel supply with a couple of EWAR trucks.
See, this is why all this crap about AR-15's is so annoying. The Pentagon ain't sweating "assault rifles". But homebrew drones? Yep, they're sweating that one.
Why?
They're a force modifier on a scale that no rifle can hope to match. Rifles are basically the minimum price of entry for modern combat, but even a simple recon drone (literally just an over the counter civilian quadcopter) would turn one guy with a rifle into something that can (even if only hypothetically) take on and cause serious casualties in a platoon strength force. Now imagine platoons of motivated, disciplined, and organised insurgents using the same advantages. Then consider what the average Zig Forumsommando can cook up in a design thread involving drones OK, so it's 90% kamikaze bombs, but that's still a huge step up from IEDs.
How much DoD gave for this?
Btw weren't burgers developing laser point active defenses for that purpose?
What happened to that?
HELLADS turned out to have wildly unrealistic power-to-weight requirements, so we scrapped it and started over.
A bit less than they print daily, besides it was crowdfunded (^:
That should be expected, the power source should be heavier than the country's median pilot. Why not just make one of lower power requirements that would just fuck up the sensor of at least heat-seekers.
Look, just because the US Air Force is now looking into it doesn't mean it still isn't crazy or a bad idea.
Because we aren't talking about heat seekers, we're talking about active radar missiles or even anti-radiation missiles against AWACS planes.
No one is gonna pick up that the USAF is basically admitting that Russian/Chinese next gen missiles are gonna utterly bury the USAF in BVR?
I mean if you have to think about some kind of drone CIWS escorts for you back line, what exactly are your fighters doing???
We've had soft-kill lasers for decades, but they only work against IR-guided missiles and thus are totally useless for their intended role.
Give it a few generations and eventually they'll be able to buttfuck an AWACS from space 30 seconds after it takes off.
Dodgingread: exploding S4/500s in an inane first strike option.
Wasn't the russians fucking the US over in Syria since the US got involved?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't the soviets have better Within visual range missles? I remember something about the Yugoslav documentary stating that.
That's not the scary part. The scary part is that when we get incredibly high efficentcy theoretically after moving from sillicon to Gallium arsenic conductors, it becomes possible to emit high intensity lasers/waves with minimal weight. Imagine a fleet of these kamazie drones swarming a main power node or an AFB.
Not really. no. The only air losses due to enemy fire during the Syrian Civil War so far are 1 MQ-9 drone downed by the Syrian Air Defense Force and 1 damaged F-15 due to SPAAG (ZSU-23) fire. Russia has actually lost more aircraft in Syria than the US at 15 vs 4.
How?
How?
Have they lost any one that matters? Like any Tupolev or a Flanker/Hellduck?
To be fair most of them weren't shootdowns either. Most of them were crashes or accidents or destruction due to shelling. The only shoot down was the SU-25 shootdown earlier this year.
They lost an Su-30 and Su-33 to accidents and 2 Su-35s to shelling.
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I think that the next major war is going to be one of crew served/larger infantry weapons (rpg's, anti-material rifles, commando mortars, gpmg's) with a major emphasis on more localized intelligence. I already see it somewhat happening in Syria. Urban combat isolates squads from one another and electronic warfare means you could be up shits creek without a paddle. If you're facing another squad the one that can throw down the most dakka will most likely win. Drones just add a new and easily accessible way for people to get more dakka.
My dick is ready for the swarm.
the drones are a flying sacrificial shield
Bullshit.
They lost a Su-24, shot down (ambushed really) by a Turkish Air force F-16 in more than dubious circumstance (the pilots are in jail for treason), November 2015.
They lost a Mig-29KUB, waited after one cable snapped on another landing and run out of fuel, November 2016.
They lost a Su-33, again cable snapped and the plane ended in the sea, December 2016.
They lost a Su-24, on take off (technical problem), October 2017.
They lost one Su-25 to a MANPAD fire, February 2018.
They lost one An-26, crash landed (literally missed the runway), March 2018.
They lost one Su-30, to a bird strike, May 2018.
That's two planes lost to hostile fire, two in carrier operations that indeed revealed there was a problem on the carrier and two in regular accident (3 with the AN-26), on an air-group engaged in a very high rate sorties, that's not bad.
To give you an idea Russia from September 30, 2015 to September 28 2017 did 96,000 air strikes on a single wing formation VS the US from August 8, 2014 to August 9, 2017 did 24,566 strike… on a at least five wing formation (probably more if you include the USN).
The mortar strike claim was spurious (basically a third of VKS planes in Syria had been destroyed) and no one ever produced any evidence to back it up (yes there was pictures of two damaged Su-24 but they might or might not have been from that incident given how light and fixable the damage was) as Russian air operations continued without changes.
One of the pilots was killed immediately, the other one is still flying. Calling BS on the rest of it, too.
Drones are dakka themselves. See copters with grenades. Dakka no AR-15 can match because drones vs AR-15 is one way street fight. With AI behind the corner electronic warfare would stop been counter.
There's not enough enough pigshit in hell for these cowards.
My list is accurate.
Also for pilot loses it's important to not that both planes that were shot down still properly survived long enough for the pilots to eject. The crewmen of the Su-24 were infamously shot at while descending (there is a video of it), then the pilot was captured and executed by Turkish paramilitaries (but the Weapon System Officer was left alone probably to tend an ambush to the CSAR team. The CSAR team lost a Mi-8 and 1 naval infantry men in the subsequent ambush but managed to get the job done anyway).
The Su-25 managed to orient the plane to crash into it's target, ejected then took potshot at militants with his Stechkin, downed two, and when out of ammo went full snackbar and blew himself up with a grenade as he was about to get captured taking a couple more of them with him… He literally managed to got the respect of Tahrir al-Sham (Al Qaeda) for it.
But goy don't forget John McCain III is a hero for being stupid enough to break his own arms, getting VIP treatment as the son of Admiral John McCain II (commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater) and actively collaborating with the Vietcongs (Songbird).
The crews of the MiG-29K and Su-33 also ejected to safety.
The others died (as is usual in crashes in take-off/landing).
For helicopters Russia lost the aforementioned Mi-8, another one that was hoping village to village doing peace mediation giving out aid and whatnot, and probably a Mi-24 (probably because it's tail rotor blew up during a fight… which isn't entirely unheard as a technical failure, and also probably because it's unclear whom the helicopter belonged, the Russian MoD said it was a Syrian one with a Russian crew scheduled for tests after repairs pressed into combat service during an emergency) to hostile fire.
All the other they lost in non-hostile action (a Mi-28 had it's classic engine stall, a Ka-52 ate a mountain, a Mi-35 hit power lines, etc…).
Again I must stress that Syria is by no mean a safe environment to operate the SAA lost dozens of aircraft every year to MANPADs and AA fire.
The US reportedly lost a least a F-16 (crashed), a least one F-15 got seriously mauled (but wasn't downed, 'cause it's a F-15 and F-15 are indestructible) and at least one V-22 crashed (for the usual reason) when it come to rotary.
And again it's with Russia doing a lot lot lot much with a lot less aircrafts…
I mean just going to that page en.wikipedia.org
You aren't out of the woods yet, anons
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The Israelis have used their F-35s to bomb SAA/IRGC bases in Homs & Hama, and unlike every other Israeli incursion, the Syrian's didn't claim to see or engage any of the attackers (because their radars didn't see shit), they've stayed awful quiet about it.
The only other possible explanation is that they used F-15s, disguised with USAF signatures (thedrive.com
Military tech is a game of cat-&-mouse, and unfortunately for the red team, they haven't yet displayed an effective countermeasure to the stealth problem.
what would happen if Russia shot one of those f35 down? How fucked would lockmart be?
>OY VEY, dose evil russians have penetrated our (((state of the art))) stealth technology!
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I don't give a shit if you don't believe me.
If anyone is interested enough to look into it, my list will check out. Yours won't.
I don't need to win arguments on the internet, I let reality do it for me.
Just because the mouse thinks he has free reign of the house doesn't mean the cat isn't waiting to pounce.
A man can dream, but practical GaAs and GaN semiconductors are still a ways away. Even after the tech itself is perfected and the resultant chips relatively stable, it won't become widespread for a while due to the expense of production; as far as I know even if we solved all the issues tomorrow, MBE growths are the only way to produce GaAs semiconductors, and that's a time-consuming and expensive process.
I know. That's why I said theoretically.
Too many people these days only see the possiblity and not the practicality
the cat seems to have been drugged with tranquilizers though, since that s-400 never seems to be on.
If anything…
True, true. But what does Russia gain from blowing just a few zogjets out of the sky? Wait until the right moment, no use unveiling a superweapon and forcing zog to design a new jet over a few airstrikes.
In service since literally the soviet invasion of afghanistan.
They are trying to skirt around the obvious and avoid bringing it to public light (since it is being used to kill American civilians and foreigners abroad, see: targeted individuals) but they are using scalar weaponry to stop missiles now. All the anti-missiles systems funding went towards scalar weaponry. In fact, the FGB has scalar weaponry of their own and it's why you hear them concerned over EMP attack fears in the US. They have the capability to take the entire power grid down through scalar. Look into VTRPE; has been around since the 90s now. Basically, the VTRPE uses chem trail sprayings of barium and this barium absorbs the radiation they bounce off it through the satellite radio network. VTRPE presents command and control with a 3D view of the geology on a computer screen. It's like a big, global Xray machine. HAARP.
VTRPE just the norm now. No one has truly caught on on the next big slaughter of human history. Scalar weaponry goes deep inside minds and inputs not only biometrics, but your thoughts/dreams/vision/hearing onto the computer screen. Telepathic communication is clearly the all-out future of combat. The real money now is being put into 6G fighters for 2025-2030 which can perform EMPs and cause hallucinations in all enemy combatants on the ground, distorting the senses and incapacitating their force. Airborne viruses can be directed into their bodies through the skin: quantum potential weapons, inducing not only disease, but heart attacks, strokes and many other complications. Our combat troops will begin becoming increasingly robotic. Human troops will require high-tech power armor suits; if you have taken a look at exoskeleton armors recently, they are making leaps and strides. And in other news, portable directed plasma weapons are being worked on, expect those later on after all this becomes fully integrated.
tl;dr continued weaponizing of the scalars and capability, scalability; the UAV for scalar scalability, old planes lack plenty ; global radio.
Israeli Air Force destroyed half of Syria’s air defenses, says senior officer
“All of the batteries that fired on the IAF were destroyed. All of them. And this policy will continue. We do not destroy batteries that do not fire on us,” said a senior IAF officer.
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So are S-400s going to shoot down (((anything))) or what?
What the fuck is "scalar weaponry"?
1. Barium absorbs x-ray radiation, not radio waves
2. They would have to blanket the sky with bricks of barium to prevent radio communication
3. You may be confusing the metal with beryllium (although simple steel would work better)
4. For example classic chaff, which can block radio waves
5. Or an e-bomb, which uses small conductive strips to crash electric grids
Jesus christ.
Where do people get this shit?
>So are S-400s going to shoot down (((anything))) or what?
Depends on if Russia wants to start a nuclear war with Israel.
Apparently they're giving S-300s to Syria, so we'll at least get to see those.
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For the same reasons as always, they either have mental illness, or they have an audience of suckers they can con money out of.
Why are you replying to tor posters?
Only good tor post is the on you use to "hide ID" in any thread.
Why does this rat-like kvetching sounds like bullshit?
The only thing that ever was confirmed destroyed was one Pantsir that was inexplicably turned off and unnamed.
Syria has a hundred of those by now…
As to how the jews keeps getting away with it it's was explained repeatedly, they don't go into Syrian airspace, they lurk in Lebanon and Jordan airspace and strike either from there or do very short (a few seconds) penetration raids, even if they can shoot them down it is an actual violation of international law which will definitely used by the US to attack evil Syria that is shooting anti-Semite missile at innocent baby planes that dindu nuthin outside it's borders.
I don't disagree but I think such a bold claim deserves at least one humiliating debunking from the opposite team.
The whole press release is embarrassing and borderline cringy on itself without any aid from outside sources.
>but ''three Greekfags are here
Where the fuck did you πουστόνεα come from?
Only if you're the pajeet that's spamming Zig Forums.