Why are the anti-missile systems on ships multi barreled automatic cannons? From what I understand the process of missile interception follows this process: identify missile with radar track trajectory and aim weapon begin firing stop firing after missile is destroyed
Why not use time detonated flak? There is a limit to missile maneuverability and a diameter of the projectile. A computer can easily calculate the potential space that the missile can occupy and set the timer on a flak shell to detonate with optimal shrapnel spread to ensure contact with the target.
Here's a more interesting question: How does one sink a modern ship in this day and age? How do you overcome the ship's defenses and send it to the bottom of the sea? Asking for a friend
Jackson Smith
Sail a cargo container ship into it. :^)
Austin Nguyen
That only works on burgers, I want to know how to sink turkroaches
Justin Peterson
sorry I meant that my friend wanted to know
Ryan Davis
Become president of the target country. Put niggers in charge of the ships and women in charge of navigation. Wait.
On a more serious note, that depends on whether or not the fleet has aircraft carriers capable of launching AEW&C.
Carson Rodriguez
Overwhelm it's anti-missile defenses.
that or knock it out via submarine torpedo
maybe drop a nuke on the carrier group, not sure if they could do anything about that tbh
Tell your friend that sinking Turkroaches is fairly easy. Just look at their naval history, back through the Otttomans. You could engage the entire Turkish navy with three guys in unarmed speedboats and the Turks would somehow find a way to lose.
Jayden Ward
Could tanks unironically sink ships? Considering the geography of the aegean, you could easily have a few tanks on some island and any turkish ship on the horizon would be within range.
The issue is that missiles don't fly in a straight line. If they did a single cannon round, properly fused, could take them out. But missiles maneuver, so you have to create a funnel of rounds along the cone of their approach, and detonate them all. Even then its 50/50… Time detonated flak is used, on certain ships. French use full-auto 100mm AAA guns
Use multiple missiles to kill the weapons and control systems on the deck and in the superstructure, then close to torpedo range to finish it off. This works best on chink and western ships, since they keep their torpedoes and weapons all above deck. Russians tend to bury their weapons below deck, or armor them to fuck if they're above deck. Best way to take them out is air launched missile zerg.
Adrian Martinez
Don't forget completely unarmed cargo ships doing their best to avoid collisions.
Cooper Walker
I'm honestly wondering why torpedoes did not stay as the main anti-ship weapon for aircraft, for example, F-18 is capable of carrying a fuckton of ordnance, why not two torpedoes? As far as I know, the torpedo countermeasures are not as strong as modern CIWS, the torpedoes are not only capable of attacking surface targets but also can lock onto submarines Am I missing something here?
if the ship would be within range, then that would be possible, I don't think ships nowadays are that strongly armoured, but anyways, in case of an unlikely event that a destroyer would approach coast to a range closer than few kilometers, the problem would probably be doing actual damage to the ship with tank's main gun, ship may end up penetrated but does anything important get damaged?
The invention of guided missiles makes it difficult to approach a ship without knocking out its defenses first. That's why most anti ship missiles are radar homing, they are basically designed to SEAD enemy fleets so heavier weapons (like torps) can be brought to bear.
Nathaniel King
Torpedoes are a lot heavier than missiles. Dropping them from a jet powered plane and having them survive the impact in the water is also pretty fucking hard.
Matthew Perez
What Op says makes sense, to hit something in the air, flack are much better than chaingun.
Xavier Parker
A thing that 99% of this board seems to not know about naval warfare is that 75% of the battle is finding the other fleet in the first place. You won't be able to drop torpedoes on a submarine if your aircraft has no means of detecting one, and seeing that the F-18 has no MAD boom or sonar buoy drop or listening capability, it would be rather hard to figure out where a submarine is in the endless miles of blue.
Maritime patrol planes like the P-3 carry an arsenal of missiles, torpedoes and buoys to make life hell for hostile cold cut sandwiches, and with fighter cover, they can remove or pacify those subs allowing friendly hunter/killers to attack the enemy surface fleet with their torpedoes. After they sustain losses the carrier fleet will come in and sweep up the stragglers.
IIRC, because they're slow, necessitating you get incredibly close to the target to guarantee a hit. Whereas antiship missiles can be launched nearly over the horizon. Now maybe with a supercavitating torpedo…
Josiah Price
Modern warships all have soft-kill torpedo countermeasures, and anti-torpedo torpedoes are in testing with the US navy and have been in service with the UK navy for years. That is in addition to the weaknesses of torpedoes other anons have brought up.
Charles Evans
Hmm.. Maybe heavy rocketpods or wire guided ones?
I've seen Siemens claim that they can counter MAD with electromagentics in rotation to the earths field throughout the hull, not sure if thats possible.
Eli Hughes
Pretty much all sub launched torps are wire guided. As for the counter to MAD, I never heard of it.
Caleb Moore
Practically every modern naval gun has that feature. Small-caliber CIWS is the last line of defense for when the main gun fails or gets overwhelmed, and also for non-combat ships that don't have room for anything bigger.
Jason Wilson
Russia has hard kill anti-torpedoes system on all it's ships since forever. Or like many western cucked analysts did you really think the rockets pods were to do land bombardment? In fact most Russian blue navy ships have a triple layered anti-torpedoes defense, a long range soft kill, mid-range guided depth charge on rockets and short range light torpedoes.
Not for land bombardment, an antisubmarine rocket system similar in use to hedgehog. No one ever said it was to bombard land targets.
Eli Scott
Well the Brits sank that Argie cruiser in the Falklands with a dumb, unguided torp because they knew their current generation of wire guided torps had a horrible tendency to violently pitch down after leaving the tube, breaking the wire in most cases.
Jaxson Nelson
Didn't the Kirov Crusiers have a nuclear depth charge?
Caleb Evans
One uses an anti-ship missile. You only need to score one hit to sink ship of any size. They also fly low enough to be undetectable until it's too late to do anything.
By poking tiny holes in its upper decks? The best you can hope for is setting enough fires for the crew to abandon ship, but since they can extinguish flames using the endless supply of seawater that won't be easy.
Connor Hughes
It can't move on its own very fast or very far, it needs to be deployed from very low altitude and velocity, it can't use GPS or video/audio for navigation, and the surrounding water and target hull thickness precludes the use of shrapnel and dampens the shockwave, and standard dual hulls make shaped charge ineffective. People were using torpedos in WW2 because they didn't had rockets of the same caliber.
Elijah Jones
lolnope
Unless your adversary has aircraft.
Michael Phillips
Modern anti-ship missiles employ stealth technologies so to detect one you will need AWACS airship which would be down by the time this sort of missle is deployed. Or it could be simply disabled by using electronic warfare countermeasures. Also such rockets fly at speeds exceeding mach 2.5 so even if it's detected well in advance, you only get about 1.5 seconds between the moment when missile enters autocannon range and the moment of impact, 10-15 seconds for rocket defense.
Lucas Reed
It seems that mostly western designs are using stealth. Russian/Chinese designs are emphasizing speed. Mach 3+ cruise missiles aren't going to be stealthy in any manner.
If you can get EW aircraft near the target area, why even bother using cruise missiles? Just put mk 84s on the EW aircraft.
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Connor Baker
Wasn't England supposed to be a naval power at some point?
Hedgehog were manually fired spigot launched 15kg HE depth charges with a range of a few hundred meters. That's fully automated rocket launched 20kg HE/HEAT (for the 212mm version) acoustically guided "depth charges" (read: it's a short range torpedo on a rocket booster) with a range of several kilometers.
Similarity stops at "it can launch lots of shit". Russia still use some spigot to launch decoys/smoke and anti-saboteurs grenades within the short range of the ship. youtube.com/watch?v=7SEfcSiMvuI
That's a different system (RPK 6/7) loosely related it's torpedoes on a guided missile booster.
Well shit, I guess I'll just get ready to appease my Russian overlords then.
Connor Foster
Stealth just reduces detection range, it doesn't eliminate it. A missile isn't an airplane, it can't stay even out of the reduced detection range, it has to actually get close enough to impact a target.
Also many modern CIWS like Kashtan have TV/IR secondary sensors, which completely obviate radar stealth.
Dylan Rogers
Funny what you did there. You spelled it out for yourself, they serve the same purpose- mass launched ASW charges. If range and tech differ, that's to be expected seeing as one is so much more modern. Again, the main purpose is not "land bombardment", no analyst is that dumb
The RBU family was designed to fire unguided munitions, basically a Mousetrap rocket scaled up to match the size of the standard Soviet depth charge. The guided munition is adapted from the S3V air-dropped depth charge, which is a freefall munition with limited course-correction capability.
You give analysts too much credit. A few sources like Jane's initially suggested it could be a land-attack system, then stubbornly refused to remove that claim long after it became clear it was a depth charge launcher.
Jaxson Rogers
We don't have nice big open expanses of nothing to drop the 'tards or criminals off on anymore. Australia picked up the slack after you guys fucked off, but they just kinda stay here now. It sucks.
