The B61-12 gravity nuclear bomb
The airplane-dropped nuke from the sixties got a service life extension, and a laser guidance system, for thermonuclear strikes with SURGICAL PRECISION.
Presumably on countries with no anti-aircraft capabilities.
Source:
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Do burgers even have actual nuclear delivery systems? The Minuteman arsenal isn't much younger than this, and the Tridents don't even work.
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For what purpose? Is it a very very tiny nuke?
Can the burgers not get bombs within half a mile of the target?
And then NATO wonders why Greece keeps fucking with them by choosing to make deals with Russia instead. God I can't wait for Golden Dawn. Fuck this retarded zog alliance honestly. Trusting nukes to the most utterly incompetent sub 80 IQ Islamic monkeys.
Chill out man. Turkey is going to be left out of this, they want S-400 instead.
Taking out extremely hardened targets. Nuclear weapons are not magical "erase everything" devices; they're completely normal explosives (that also produce radiation) in the sense that they obey the laws of physics. It's just that the power of the explosion is so much greater than normal explosives that we tend to categorize them differently mentally. While a soft target like a city may not require pinpoint precision, something like a command and control bunker buried in the side of a mountain could.
This deficiency is a perfect example of why planet busters are necessary. Nothing says "fuck you" like sucking a major portion of the enemy's home continent into a singularity.
This is so retarded it's awesome.
Also they certainly don't fit on any F-35 (a F-35 can carry only a MK83 with the shortest package, for example one with a BSU-85/B bomb fin doesn't fit).
A B61 is considerably longer than that.
What?
You're missing the point, dipshit
The fuck is that game
Looks like Alpha Centauri.
That's Alpha Centauri. One of the late game units you can research is the 'Planet Buster' missile that wipes out whatever the fuck it hits (including cities) and digs a huge, Vredefort tier, crater into the map. They're really quite fun, but if you use them every AI nation in the game declares war on you no matter what. So you only end up using them if they're your last chance, or if you can take on the rest of the planet and are just using the PB for shits and giggles. Most of LAN games I've played of AC end up with 2-3 of the more successful players stockpiling them in an arms race, completely ending any hope of a military victory - which provides a very fun example of why Mutually Assured Destruction works.
Hadn't considered using them for hard targets, I thought you guys were still keeping the B53 for those.
The ink just dried on an F-35D; it's an F-35 the size of a B1. :^)
You mean the one supposed to be built in 2035 when everyone not-NATO is gearing up for WWIII in 2020?
Belgium, Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands are listed on that infographic, but what's the fifth?
The F-35 will carry the B61-12 internally.
popularmechanics.com
The -B version, yes. But the -A and -C versions can carry the Mk84 internally.
Yeah but B-61 are thinner (diameter) than mk-84 but I think they're longer (all measurement on the interweb are useless, they're way too short so it's probably the bomb itself, mk-61 in fact, without it's tail assembly), maybe not by much but Murphy's law dictate it will be enough.
I saw the documents and I'm going to reveal the reason for this. Don't worry, the government can't get me because I'm behind seven proxies.
The missile didn't knoww where it was at the time. It didn't know this because it didn't know where it wasn't. By subtracting where it thought it was from where it wasn't, or where it wasn't, from where it was, whichever is greater, it obtained an incorrect difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system used deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it thought it was, to a position where it thought it wasn't, and arriving at a position where it thought it wasn't, it headed toward the US.
Meanwhile in Russia.
(AFAIK it's the only uncut footage of a SLBM salvo from undersea).
They will probably strap two F-35 Merkels together like the twin mustang
Achtchully they are more like incendiaries, thermobaric or to be more precise flares. The kinetic energy from the initial "explosion" is way too puny to be compared to HE.
I'm instantly reminded of this
Came here to post this!
What are the chances this wasn't an error and it was actually kebab sabotage from the inside?
When we finally get around to world war III it's going to be an absolute shitshow.
Aircraft safety from the air defense. Loft bombing can provide serious range for a bomb. Also overall JDAM bomb delivery against pre-planed target is much much simpler than unguided bomb that contributes to the aircraf's freedom of maneuver and therefore survivability.
With long range loft or/and high altitude high speed bombing it is possible to have such misses.
Is the retroactive JDAM conversion of dumb bombs the best idea NATO had since the Cold War-
Oh…
it's for putting a nuke on the front foor of a bunker complex.
No it's not. Those are the tactical nukes based in Europe to nuke Russian formations in Germany.
Nothing short of something like a X-51/Trident warhead is getting near a Russian command bunker.
You guys are aware that even something as old as a SA-8 has no problem down gliding bombs from something like a 5 miles away?
And that Russia (and China) field much much much much more lethal ADA system than that 1970's soviet heap of junk?
What's even the point of nukes? You'll never realistically be able to use them.
The ones that won Eurovision, of course.
is that why the US didn't put b2s or b1s over Syria to hammer positions/command with heavy munitions like what happened with Libya?
Are you telling me the American talent for friendly fire has now reached automated systems?
Or, you know, something like the LRSO. If you want to look at conventional missiles, I'd suggest some JASSMs.
IIRC the first US attempt at a radar guided SPAAG ended when it was demonstrated infront of a crowd and almost ED-209'd them.
Here we go:
en.wikipedia.org
Given that we had no trouble destroying Libyan SA-8s in 2011, I doubt it.
I choose to believe that this speciality in friendly fire is actually all a long-term CSA plot to win the Civil War.
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WW3 started years ago, and nobody noticed because we're all just so fucking bad at killing each other these days.
You can't use your nukes because other countries will think you're a big ol' meanie if you do use them. The thing is, though, that everyone knows there's not much point in caring what a country thinks unless that country also has nukes.
Ok it's not from the 70's it's part of the last big upgrade package they got in the early 80's and the reason why they added contact fuze to the warheads.
The design is meant to keep the missiles being the least expensive component (like on it's successor SA-15) because it's supposed to shoot a lot of them (mainly because you need at least two shots to have a decent kill probability but it can do it, SA-15 is of course much better at it).
Did you know that NATO fired 3 times more HARMs against Serbia during the kosovo war than during the entirety of Desert Storm?
And that it did pretty much squat, when 1/3 was enough to completely neutralize Iraq much bigger ADA net, despite the ADA systems fielded being exactly the same (Iraq might have had better version even)?
You could give a laser, railgun and high intensity energy shield to arabs as an ADA weapon and they would still manage to get themselves bomb.
…and?
…yes, and?
…apart from keeping their air defenses down
This whole post has to be the most low-information post I've seen in a while. You basically made a pedantic response to another user, made some tangential claim, and then said that the fact that America has been converting Russian equipment to scrap metal for twenty-five years now doesn't really count, because reasons!
Can't help but laugh at that operation diagram. Fucking castironium bombs meme.
But if you could actually steer a block of cast iron directly into the target, that would actually work pretty well.
Getting almost three times more HARMs fired at them is interesting for two reasons:
1. Serbs had 1/10th the air defenses of Iraq
2. After the SEAD campaign was complete, DTIC assesed their air defenses as functional
By the way it wasn't just HARM, it was other ordinance as well.
Didn't read this, sorry. The entire point of the SEAD campaign on Yugoslavia was as preparation for an invasion and occupation by NATO troops. The fact that the airspace was judged too dangerous for an invasion suggests the statement that it "kept their air defenses down" is actually wrong. They just didn't waste the twenty or so good rockets they had on fighter jets or bombers, Serbs were waiting for those big juicy troop transports.
Defeat your enemy by dropping thousands of high tech anvils on them.
It's Sid Meyer' Alpha Centauri. Pretty cool game, you can use planet-busters to carve out a canal through a continent so that your submarine-carriers can start launching nukes and aircraft at a nation led by a Christian Soccer Mom who declared a war against you, and then start dropping tanks from the orbit to do any mopping up.
Sage for offtopic
That billion dollar defense contract will roll in any day now.
No, most of the air defenses spent most of their time hiding with their radars off because anything that radiated for too long got blown up. An air defense system that doesn't do jack shit is as good as destroyed.
Demonstrably false, they did down dozens of drones and quite a few jets too. Whenever we got ready to invade, with troops boarding ships in Italy, they'd shoot down something else important and the soldiers would go back to barracks.
This was only thirty years ago why can't people remember?
Which meant that NATO never managed to gain full air superiority and had to conduct large penetration raids instead of opportunity attacks and large penetration raids doesn't do shit to a competent army.
Which meant NATO couldn't send ground troops without full air support since it's something NATO doesn't even know how to do anymore.
Which is why NATO after nearly two month of bombing the serbian army (and missing the serbian army) decided to return to it's favorite tactic, strategic bombing and EXCLUSIVELY TARGET CIVILIANS, until the Serbs had enough and asked for a ceasefire or be exterminated.
My point was efficiency of air defense system rise drastically depending who crew them, europeans graduates that trains regularly > goatfuckers that can't do calculus.
OH NOEZ! THEY GOT A FEW DRONES!
Meanwhile they couldn't do jack shit about us bombing the shit out of their infrastructure.
We kicked the shit out of them pretty good for not having "full air superiority"
False.
They chose… wisely.
Jesus Christ man they also got pic related. NATO's final assessment of its aircraft losses during the operation "Allied Force" indicates that some 61 aircraft have been destroyed, 53 aircraft were damaged beyond repair or it is not cost-effective to repair them, 57 aircraft have sustained repairable combat damage. A total of 171 NATO aircraft were hit by Yugoslav defenses during the war. Not counting about a dozen helicopters, 30+ drones, and hundreds of cruise missiles.
This doesn't sound like a sleeping air defense system, you are a lying cunt and your opinion is shit.
Now fuck off, get you learned before coming back.
3 jets and 2 helicopters. Not sure where all those other numbers are from.
Well if you're just going to make shit up, I can too.
NATO destroyed 6,000,000 tanks, a billion artillery pieces, and ten million soldiers in the air raids on Yugoslavia.
Those figures come from observations of some journalist who only counted actual wrecks he could see when he toured the sites that were hit four months after the war had ended.
That's why you don't fly the same mission profile, at the same time, at the same exact site for weeks on end.
Your post can be summarized as
Because your own link proves you wrong with its ridiculous jingoistic bias. First it limits the sorties to those flown over Kosovo only, despite the fact that NATO dropped bombs all over the country.
Then it excludes a large portion of the investigation
From a study that wasn't even confirming hits
And the funniest part:
This matches newsweek claims, your retarded link proves that source as reliable.
This is
If we tally that up, it means:
Really neat numbers.
Well, when you have absolutely zero sources there's not much more to say.
the leaf lithps in his impotent rage at the icky nationalist
That's the study that made the "14 tanks" claim.
…that's because the study you're talking about IS THE STUDY USED TO CREATE THE NEWSWEEK STORY
Did you seriously not read the fucking article? You're digging up a few quotes from the article that are themselves quotes about the flaws in the study used to generate the Newsweek claim, then claiming that the flaws in the study Newsweek used are evidence that the study Newsweek used was correct.
And what the fuck is your evidence then? Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton?
If so it explains what you said over here
Kill yourself.
You're the one making the claim that NATO never hit anything. Where is your evidence for that? All I ever claimed was that the "evidence" used to doubt NATO's claims is shaky at best.
I'd also like evidence to back up your claim that "94% of weapons were dropped on civilians." You're acting like every bomb not dropped on a tank or APC was dropped on a house, and not on a bridge, airfield, or other strategic target.
Strawman, I specifically outlined how many hit.
Well if only 6% were shot at military targets, what the fuck do you think the rest were shot at?
Also, your recounting is complete bullshit.
NATO never planned a ground invasion, because they would have gotten their asses raped by a highly experienced white army in that sort of terrain and on its own turf. The plan was to instead terrorize Serbia from the air to get them to the negotiation table, which in the end worked because Serbia didn't want to lose all their infrastructure and be bombed back into a third world state, so they rather gave up Kosovo than all of Serbia.
The Serbian AD network worked fine especially because they knew when to emit signals and when not, which made it impossible for NATO to ever fully destroy it and prevented the air forces from effectively engaging the Serbian army forces dispersed and camouflaged in the terrain. Also, if you believe that all the Apache losses "before" and during the outbreak of hostilities were all the "training accidents", as was claimed, you are very very gullible. These choppers flew recon missions and got owned by SHORAD, mostly IR manpads, because unlike Iraq, Serbia / Kosovo is not flat desert terrain where you have a clear view on targets from 10 miles away. Instead, Serbian Chad will wait for you with an SA-18 at the next clearing behind the hill you just passed.
It's called the Yugoslav civil war and it started in early 1990s and lasted until early 2000s. Quit trying to limit it to Kosovo, more than half of the bombs dropped were on civilian areas in areas that had nothing to do with fighting.
Pic related, area where Serbian army was fighting Albanian terrorists, and the entire rest of the country where bombs were dropped where there wasn't any Serbian amy. And this doesn't even show the areas in Bosnia for a decade prior to this.
It was in the initial plan when Clinton made that dumb "muh 6 gorrilion muslim babbies" claim, this was always on the table and a massive ground force was kept ready in Italy until the last moment when ceasefire was signed. Only France was against it the zogbots in French government wanted to nuke Serbia instead because "fighting them would be too hard".
That was most probably just posture. Maybe Clinton "planned" it, in his dreams, but was probably told by the Army all the time that it was going to be a fucking bloodbath, which is why it never happened.
…using absolutely zero evidence.
Strategic targets.
Strategic targets.
Strategic targets.
Mind showing where? You're making an awful lot of claims with an awful little amount of evidence.
The Anglo strikes again.
Where?
The fuck is an elementary school in the north of the country a "strategic target"?
Retards like you are the reason some countries need to be thrown out of NATO and all decision making power. We were fucking lucky the air raid siren got the kids out in time you fucked up monster.
NATO isn't even needed anymore. The Warsaw pact is long dead and the USSR isn't even a thing anymore, not like the Chinks can do anything as is anyway.
I have two ways of looking at this:
1)
Or, 2)
Sucks, but that's sort of how war works. There will never be a bloodless war, nor will there be a war without civilian casualties. Faggots like you create Vietnams because you're too pansy-assed to actually go all out, instead opting to fight a half-assed "semi war" because you're worried that if you fight a bit too hard you'll accidentally kill a few kids here and there.
America effectively is NATO, leaf.
Here's some gore.
If it made any sort of sense, or couldn't be proved a lie, NATO would already have claimed something like that as an excuse.
And that's the real issue.
23000 bombs dropped, 1000-2000 dropped on military targets. Are we expected to believe the 21000-22000 remaining weapons were dropped on "misidentified" targets?
To be fair the Siege of Sarajevo was muslim fault, they started the war in Sarajevo by killing Serbs and just provoking for violent reaction from the Serbian side, when that failed they outright started killing people and then started sieging the military barracks that had Serbian soldiers inside.
Here is how it went down:
After Serbs figured this out they shelled the storehouses where the muslims hid the artillery and other shit, after that muslims started full-scale urban warfare where they hid in civilian apartments and were shooting on civilians ISIS style.
Also to point out that the muslim plan of doing the stop traffic > pull artillery > move artillery back came from British MI6 because they tricked them into doing it so they could justify the military action into the region to end the war. (War ended 3 years later and thats because USA did it not Brits, Brits were enjoying selling weapons to both sides)
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No, the remaining 21-22k were dropped on strategic targets. You really seem to be slow on the uptake here, leaf.
This is target and yeild dependent
This kind of logic is extremely stupid, it's on the level of comparing jarts to a Mk.82 because both utilized gravity as a function. We categorized them differently than "normal" explosives because they use matter itself in a physical reaction and they do not strictly adhere to the laws of physics.
Which doesn't require the use of a nuke, a GBU-57 would provide a greater level of destruction. What the Mk.12 upgrade provides is a steerable, air-dropped nuclear device for employment as a more precise dual-use weapon for counter-force and counter-value attack options.
was meant for this retard.
What was that about extremely stupid logic?
And I ask you again you pathetic coward, how is an elementary school a strategic target?
Like what… the kids grow up and 1/2 vote for the evil dictator, so they're fair game for a precision fucking cruise missile??!? Actually a 50% hit rate would be stellar improvement for NATO.
Funny thing, the commander of the SAM battalion that shot it down (along with an F-16), Zoltán Dani, was an ethnic Hungarian from Voivodina, whose grandparents were ethnically cleansed by Tito.
Funner fact all the shit thrown into the Danube by our own jets managed to stop Danube traffic and cut your economy by 25% in the early 2000s, because you couldn't have access to ocean traffic. You just about recovered when the recession hit.
Chill man, Jamal Al-Londonistani is just defending his kin. Morality won't work on him.
Funny thing:
1. Same crew did shot down F-16 with Major Boško Dotlić (another commander) which means you had capable men and correct intel, it was not a one-man job.
2. He was not "ethnic Hungarian", his mother was Romanian.
3. "cleansed by Tito"? That left him so traumatized he went to serve as an officer in the army of that same Tito. Nice ethnic baiting there, son.
4. Posting dead Serbs to ease your butthurt? Try some ointment.
Aaand here comes the honorary Shiptar, swift to remind the world exactly why nobody in SE Europe can truly empathize with them.
1. Dotlić was the shift leader
2. "muh teardrop rule"
3. Maybe he didn't believe in collective Serbian guilt for some reason
4. Those are about Muslims and their handlers, you assblasted retard
There you go,Right on time
I guess you were born in the fallout from those destroyed refineries and chemical plants. It's truly sad to see.
Because all of those 21k bombs were dropped on elementary schools, amirite leaf? There sure must be a lot of elementary schools in Kosovo.
I'm going to keep posting this because apparently it takes a few tries to get to a low IQ individual, and because bing is fucking amazing.
You're dodging the point.
I'm going to keep saying this because apparently it takes a few tries to get to a low IQ individual.
Strategic targets.
Oh boy yet another thread ruined.
He was a Romanian-Hungarian from Serbia, who clearly preferred Serbia to homogays a few miles to the north. If he even remotely liked Hungary he could have easily WALKED there. Since he liked Serbia enough to stay there, get trained in Serbian military schools, and PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR SERBIA, I would say the F-117 shootdown is 100% a Serbian national victory. Hungary had fuckall to do with it.
The fuck does his grandparents being killed by a Slovenian-Croatian communist have to do with it? Tito also destroyed the Serbian people, created the Bosnian, Montenegrin and Macedonian state from fucking nothing just to split up Serbs. He even strengthened muslims in bosnia and kosovo because "great-Serb capitalist clique" was too strong compared to muh "oppressed people".
You're trying to lay Titos crimes at the foot of Serbs, in a pathetic attempt to try to split Zoltan Danis achievement from the family he CHOSE to be a part of, is fucking disgusting.
Go back to /intl/ and ruin your goodwill there.
Your proxy confuses nobody Shiptar.
You seem a bit worked up by this.
I guess taking advantage of poor mission planning is some sort of "achievement."
It's not the kind of war that requires hitting strategic targets, we were trying to intervene in a province of Serbia not trying to conquer the country.
And no, those were NOT strategic targets. The civilian power grid in some village is not a strategic target. A civilian passenger train full of refugees is not a strategic target. A foreign fucking embassy is not a strategic target. And no, apartment blocks and elementary schools are also not a strategic target.
Only difference between NATO and sandniggers blowing up markets at that point is that NATO didn't have enough balls to strap themselves to the bomb.
Not me btw.
Oh boy yet another thread ruined.
He was a Romanian-Hungarian from Serbia, who clearly preferred Serbia to homogays a few miles to the north. If he even remotely liked Hungary he could have easily WALKED there. Since he liked Serbia enough to stay there, get trained in Serbian military schools, and PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR SERBIA, I would say the F-117 shootdown is 100% a Serbian national victory. Hungary had fuckall to do with it.
The fuck does his grandparents being killed by a Slovenian-Croatian communist have to do with it? Tito also destroyed the Serbian people, created the Bosnian, Montenegrin and Macedonian state from fucking nothing just to split up Serbs. He even strengthened muslims in bosnia and kosovo because "great-Serb capitalist clique" was too strong compared to muh "oppressed people".
You're trying to lay Titos crimes at the foot of Serbs, in a pathetic attempt to try to split Zoltan Danis achievement from the family he CHOSE to be a part of, is fucking disgusting.
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Every war requires hitting strategic targets.
So then we need to destroy airfields, blow bridges, hit command and control bunkers, take out communications networks, hit civilian radar sets, etc. And those are just the strategic targets I can think of off the top of my head.
It's being used to provide energy for military uses. It could be being used to power radio transmitters or radar sets. So yes, it is a strategic target.
collateral damage
It's run by the Chinese. The Chinese were spying on military activities in the region. So we had a little "accident" to hinder their spying.
collateral damage
Once again, faggots like you cause Vietnam. Because you are too chickenshit to actually fight a real war, so you decide to artificially restrict your targets and not attack valid targets that the enemy is using to organize his activities. So the enemy can continue organizing unhindered, because you're fighting with one hand tied behind your back like a dumbass.