QBZ-95 and other bullpups

Nicholas Roberts
Nicholas Roberts

Let's discuss this Chinese bullpup. It's using modified AK mechanism to function, making it much less error prone than other bullpups. It's also widely deployed. Second pic compares Canadian export version to rifle with about same barrel length. B version fixed many things of A version, most notably moving fire selector from stock to where it should above trigger.

In my opinion from what I have studied, bullpups are the way forward as Chinese army has standardized over QBZ not only for infantry, but for tank crews and urban commandos since it's so compact. Having never shot bullpup myself, what does Zig Forums think of them? Why aren't they used more widely? Having been to army, urban combat in particular would be a lot easier since holding normal assault rifle in attack position over five minutes gets very taxing due to its front-heavy weight.

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Jayden Cruz
Jayden Cruz

The only real problem with them is that most bullpups are a normal rifle cramed together, and so their controls and trigger system are awful. The best bullpups so far were made by Polish designers in Britain who reverse-engineered German weapons, because they were bold enough to rebuild them as bullpups. Vid related seems to be better than anything else designed in the last 60 years.

Dominic Collins
Dominic Collins

They're replacing them with a standard looking rifle, as in it turns out when you don't starve your people completely they kinda outgrow the things you built for them when they were smaller. Also the triggers on them are to the point of spongy they just aren't fun.

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

A modern carbine is not really big enough to warrant replacing with a bullpup. There may be some applications, like for tank crews but for the average soldier a standard rifle would be better.

Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers

Oh and to expand on this particular gun, I find a Browning Hi-Power with the stock on it far more comfortable to use than that thing.

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

tavor is the best bullpup right now it seems nice trigger and ttrigger pack upgrades and battle tested just they are kind of pricy ie 18,00

Ayden Mitchell
Ayden Mitchell

It's using modified AK mechanism to function, making it much less error prone than other bullpups
Haha, no

Hi MAC, when are the pistol gauntlet tests continuing?

Angel Sullivan
Angel Sullivan

coming soon right now tho were getting a tad distracted by these cool ass like gauntlets that extend a little blade perfect for all kinds of spec ops tacticool use

Caleb James
Caleb James

Leaf here, I like it but it was definitely made with ease, speed and economy of manufacturing in mind. It's Light, short, slim, reliable, pretty accurate, easy to strip and clean.
But the sights are atrocious, the ergos are an afterthought, and modularity clearly ranked below ergos as a priority.

The trigger is honestly inoffensive. The trigger pull has no "break" but it is light and smooth and then the rifle just goes off at some point. It's weird but I wouldn't say it's bad.

Why aren't they used more widely?
Bullpups as an individual weapon have a lot of pros, but at the end of the day, they will be more expensive than a standard configuration rifle, and complicates training and logistics with left handed shooters. From a big picture standpoint they can be unappealing.

They're replacing them with a standard looking rifle
I'll believe it when I see it. Like the US, the PLA has run more than one "QBZ replacement trial" program in the last decade and none of them have stuck. The QBZ meanwhile is going through another upgrade program to make them compatible with off-the-shelf optics.

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Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

Chink guns suck dick ass shit, in chink movies, you never see them use QBZ.

Adrian Roberts
Adrian Roberts

QBZ-03 has been phasing out the 95, given how the chinks are it'll be another decade before they all get it.
u wot m8

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Andrew Jones
Andrew Jones

QBZ-03 has been phasing out the 95
Except it hasn't, it was a rifle made pretty much exclusively for some side branches, like the Police and marines, and you don't even see them using it that much.

As the QBZ-03 came out in '03, and The updated QBZ-95-1 came out in 2010, and the QBZ-95-1 is what PLA troops seen abroad are issued, I really don't think the 03 is replacing anything.

Will mystery new rifle that no one has even seen yet replace both? Who knows? Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.

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Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

I watch Operation mekong, didn't see a single QBZ-03.

It's a shitgun.

Brayden Hernandez
Brayden Hernandez

Combining bullpup design with battle rifle cartridge would be awesome. What kind of loading construct could support that?

I like it but it was definitely made with ease, speed and economy of manufacturing in mind. It's Light, short, slim, reliable, pretty accurate, easy to strip and clean.
As expected from mass-produced rifle meant for wide-spread military deployment with AK-like mechanism. One of the reasons I'm interested in this is precisely because of that mechanism, it's intimately familiar, and that it's military rifle. I'm suspicious of anything that isn't proven in service, would never put money on such. Done any tests how much soot it can take in gas pipe and lock before malfunctioning?

The trigger pull has no "break" but it is light and smooth and then the rifle just goes off at some point. It's weird but I wouldn't say it's bad.
Sounds like shotgun trigger.

Ian Cook
Ian Cook

my shotgun has a pretty defined break
ur a shitgun chink guns are pretty gr8 for functionality

Grayson Bennett
Grayson Bennett

QBZ-95 is best raifu.

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

QBZ-95 is best raifu.
yes

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Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

Mine personally is at 1200 rounds without cleaning, another guy had his at 5000, I think, before he decided that was good enough. His is only showing minimal signs of wear. They seem pretty solid.

The only downside is the linear hammer, I think. If you run the rifle dry as a bone, there's a minute delay between trigger pull and shot, you can just BARELY feel it.

If you grease the rails like an AK though, everything is smooth as glass and the delay is gone.

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

chink guns
raifus
no

Noah Jones
Noah Jones

y e s

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Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

Didn't debut as a massive trainwreck due to improper ammo with powder it was not designed to clear
Didn't debut as an overhyped poster kid paraded to be the main weapon of every nation only to be used in a few skirmishes and then forgotten soon afterwards
Didn't debut with any major design flaws
Isn't a kikegun
Isn't a literally who gun that got soon replaced by HKshit
Has multiple variants to represent an entire nation's army
It's a shame that it was made by China but she's still a good girl.

Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

it's just a cuckpup with a meme round. chinks have made much better guns anyway, my dad's MAK 90 is still in great condition.
get out of my country 张伟 :^)

Liam White
Liam White

My dad's AK ripoff is still in great condition
I'm talking indigenous design here.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

stupid gaijin, gunpowder is an indigenous design to china

Levi Martin
Levi Martin

Export models are in 5.56. They don't export their meme round.
stupid gaijin
china
何?

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Jack Russell
Jack Russell

Protip, the outsider for chinese is called "Gwailo"

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

Isn’t China themselves moving away from bullpups?

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

big tits
bullpup

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Henry Gutierrez
Henry Gutierrez

No, see

Their entire standing army is on QBZ95 by now afaik and AK's being phased out due to caliber incompatibility. Pic is new 9mm QBZ-like 9mm variant for police so they are doubling down on it if anything.

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Noah Howard
Noah Howard

What's with this shit character design and art?

Cameron Anderson
Cameron Anderson

Here we go again.

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Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

Enjoy the thread:

Benjamin Green
Benjamin Green

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John Clark
John Clark

That optic is really far forward.

Adrian Howard
Adrian Howard

You say?

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Nathaniel Morales
Nathaniel Morales

So…. Is the girl really tiny or is the gun very big?

Adrian Gonzalez
Adrian Gonzalez

Sponsors of competition shooting only take tiny girls.

Cooper James
Cooper James

bullpoops
Why?

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

416 is cute! Cute!

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

Why the fuck is the eotech that far up the gun?

Evan Wright
Evan Wright

Is pretty much the same as an ak that only had rails on the handgaurd. My friend had an sks and didn’t want to fudd it up too bad so he got a rail replacement for the gas tube and put a red dot on it. It’s really not that hard to see, and the distance from your eye to the sight would be even shorter on an 416/AR.

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