UK unveils new "Tempest" jet

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What the fuck. This has me so confused. Why do we need another 5th Gen jet that's probably going to run over budget and not do anything it's supposed to, as well as buying F-35s?

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Because they love wasting money on retarded concepts

ANGLES OF THE FUTURE

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Nice dubs.

Probably because they know the F-35 is a lemon, and literally anything will be put into service in greater numbers than the amazing memeplane-35.

They're probably also desperate to keep any sort of aeronautical manufacturing going at this point.

Having said all that, it has zero chance of working unless they get multiple EU/NATO nations on board.

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I love how every time a new military weapon or vehicle is under development there are always these turbo-shilling papers showing up and overhyping it's capabilities as if it were some kind of scifi superweapon.
I still get a chuckle from old T-14 Armata "leaked" concepts.

It always comes down to It can do literally anything!!!

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Eh, BAE is pretty good at avoiding that. It's mostly yank bureaucracy that causes shit to run over budget. BAE had to fix the US army's armoured vehicles when the government ran over budget.


You got that pic from when the Ukrainians slapped some Mosins in plastic stocks and started claiming that they were new "anti-tank rifles" that could destroy a T-14 Armata with a single shot?

Well, pretty much anything's better than the Failure-35, I suppose. Still, something deep inside tells me I'm going to be proven dead wrong in five or 10 years and they will actually manage to slap together a disaster even worse than F-35 in every way.

That's the "Object 640" not the T-14.
It's an extremely accurate leak, just not of the same tank.

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>no canards or moving LERX

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Eh, they've got to persuade retarded politicians (who know less about military engineering than your average newfag) that it's worth spending X billion on the project.


I remember hearing a few rumours a while ago about an upcoming project for an unmanned Air Superiority Fighter. Just imagine the shitshow that will turn into. Do you think the 'scale-able autonomy'they're talking about here will morph into that?

l…. lol?

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I hope that's a rumor. It's probably not.

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That is nowhere near enough money.
Actually I predicted this would happen immediately as soon as UK took stock of it's F-35's. F-35 is far too expensive to run and maintain meaning that they will need a replacement for it. All things considered if they manage to keep operational costs to under $20k per flight hour this aircraft might sell like hotcakes.
But then this is going to be a shitshow.

That is literally buzzwords that tell you nothing but impress retarded people.

At best this aircraft is going to be what the F-35 should have been

It will be 16 years of arguing where they should setup the photocopier and water cooler. 1 year actually designing and building the aircraft.

Should clarify they will insist this aircraft is a replacement for the Eurofighter but it's really the replacement for the F-35 Merkel.

To be brutally honest, I think the fighter/drone duality may be a good idea.

a) during low intensity warfare, you want some drones to schwack some mudhuts and caves from above. Drones are neat and can be quite cheap, only problem is that the prop driven ones are rather slow, so to get a good reaction time for when TIC happens, you need to have some up all the time, which means you need lotsa drones, with lotsa pilots and lotsa infrastructure to support all that. Shit costs money, yo!
By putting a jet engine or two on the drone you reduce the time it takes from takeoff to get to the area of operation and assisst troops. It is obvious that this version is not meant to be a super long loiter time recon drone. It's too large, too fuel hungry and too fast for that.

b) during high intensity nation vs. nation warfare you want a large number of air superiority fighters, so that you can maintain air superiority at all times, and make sure your own ground troops are safe from enemy air. This was a lesson hard learned by the Wehrmacht on the eastern front of WWII.
But maintaining a shitload of fighters that are basically giant Aluminium paper weights during peace time costs a lot of money, and unless you plan to increase your military budget any time soon (aka: not gonna happen), you better find something useful for these planes to do, while you are not using them to shoot down ruskies.

The combination of the two roles makes a lot of sense. Instead of using slow prop driven drones just use fast jet engine ones. Instead of having a bunch of useless fighters rust in some hangar waiting for a war to come, use them to bomb mud huts.

Of course this shit comes with disadvantages too, but the drone control technology is already implemented into any modern air superiority fighter. It doesn't make much sense not to use it as a drone as well, especially since the Eurofighter is living/flying proof that an almost entirely computer controlled, aerodynamically unstable aircraft is viable/flyable.

Lets wait and see how this one turns out. Might actually be kinda cool.

If it's closed circuit autonomous rather than remote controlled then surely the EW wouldn't affect it any worse than a normal aircraft (although BVR missiles are kind of useless if you're limited to visual range)? Unless Russian EW assets equipped with some kind of multi-Terawatt microwave beam that can fry circuitry at long range it could be a way to significantly expand the airforce without investing lots of training and upkeep bux in pilots built with MK1 Meat.

Granted if they are fully autonomous then I can then see that leading to automated aircraft going rogue and targeting things that aren't Russian military aircraft because some faggot programmer decided that his D&D group was more important than thorough bug checking, but that does sound kind of entertaining in its own right.

This reminds me of when I was a kid making my own Pokemon that did all the things and was the most powerful.

sentient planefus when?

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Watch Stealth. Please do not actually watch Stealth.

I wonder how a sequel would've turned out considering they potentially started WW3 at the end of the movie.
It's also strangely self-aware for a retarded piece of post-9/11 bush era propaganda.

Sure but, no matter what Elon Musk and other retards says, no-one is ever going to build systems without "man-in-the-loop" safeties.

No officer will ever take responsibility for a system that can act on it's own, but can't be blamed when things go wrong. That would mean high ranking officers or politicians are directly and legally responsible for shooting down airliners, with no-one to cover their asses.

They're dumb, not suicidal.

I don't really have any other opinions so here's some more retarded graphics and mockups

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Don't have any more opinions on it other than it looks and sounds like a retarded waste of money as per usual, so take more dumb graphics and radar mockups

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At this stage, military aircraft manufacturers look like they'd rather be designing shit for Ace Combat than real airforces.
Have the russians deployed radars that can detect 5th gen aircrafts?

I like how they've bolded the words affordable

>5th gen (((NATO))) multirole stealth fighter aircraft

If only.

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Always emphasize the lie.

What the fuck? Someone call Congress, we need to fix the tiny soldier gap.

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It isn't going to be 5th gen, it's going to be 6th (according to them).

they already sunk the costs of research years ago, right now the 2 billion is only for getting tooling ready for production and testing a flying prototype.

The Japanese pulled off something similarly with their X-2 ShinShin program even though it was just to help leapfrog their tech they got the prototype flying for under half a billion dollars.

Daily reminder that while the UK has budget seemingly to waste on new Fighters they have no:
>Maritime Patrol Aircraft
>CAS Aircraft
On top of that an aging:

And reminder still that most of NATO is either in or heading to the same boat. Two of the highlighted should take absolute priority over everything else for the UK.

Sounds like they're preping for tu95's and their escort

Right now only the USA has enough money to waste on F-35 and get them in respectable quantity.
Everybody else who buys F-35 will have to retire other planes in their airforce,and no matter how 'good' F-35 might be,20 F-35 can't replace 100 F-16.
If this tend continues,soon EU will explicitly rely on US for protection from ebil russians.

so how long untill US declares EU one of the states?

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Eurofighter is more expensive than F-35 already. "Tempest" would break all price records.

Eurofighter is a meme anyway.
They should just scrap the whole thing and get Rafale

Blame the programmer. Blame the maintenance engineers. Blame the mission planning officer. Blame foreign agents who definitely managed to do *something* to the plane before it launched. Blame the ghost of Turing for infecting the system with unplanned free will.

The senior officers and politicians did not get to where they are today without being able to find someone - anyone - else to blame when things go wrong. Keeping a man in the loop completely cripples the development and deployment of autonomous combat systems.


It couldn't possibly come soon enough.

The real question is, why don't they just upgrade the avionics, weapons, and thrust delivery systems of the f-18 and f-16?
Because it's cheaper.

Hello there Lockheeb :)

Is it really that different from planting a landmine somewhere?

It might not be all bad. Pic related already has some stealth features, and it's a 15-20m dollar jet.

Even poorfags like Ukraine or Serbia could afford to field hundreds of them.

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There were actually three tank designs in progress:
1. Armata - Everyone knows what this is, a family of vehicles which includes a tank that has a 100km range radar ffs.
2. Black whatever (your pic) - a tank with a turret bustle and much more modern ERA on the front.
3. T-95 (my pic) - large abrams-sized area-control tank with larger caliber ammunition and ability to elevate barrel to fire NLOS, it was loaded with tech and too expensive for MOD.

The Object 640 got confused for both T-95 and T-14, in fact retards called it T-95 for almost five years straight.

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Closed circuit means it's on a cable. Your air superiority fighter is on a cable? Like a phone cable? Only the yugos are crazy enough to do that.

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I agree with you 100%.
But trust me I've spoken to enough guys with butter bands on their shoulders and I'm telling you the thing they're all terrorized off.
"Autonomous" anything is a terrifying word to any officer (and let alone politicians), which is why they like to oversee and micromanage things to the absurd. "Autonomous" means something they can't control and they risk to be the ones blamed by someone higher up the food chain (and there is always someone higher).


I agree that the tech exist and can be done relatively easily but that's the same reason why you don't have widespread automated trains or planes (despite the tech existing since the 60's and 80's respectively), it's a significant psychological hurdle no-one want to get over.
Better a fallible man in control than a system, doesn't matter how much the engineers demonstrate their system is statistically safer (and they are), people have issues trusting each other, people CANNOT trust systems (and therefore will not).
With a software patch today you retire the entirety of the civilians airliners pilots and you, at least, halves aviation accidents. Trains would require a bit more hardware retrofit than they have (but not that much) and you do the same.
But no-one does it.

So autonomous combat system will never pass prototyping save maybe some ridiculous simple and safe ones (logistic drones go from A to B deliver shit, those types).


If the landmine could move and could decide to explode in a village because it saw movement.
You can put warnings for mines and mines are typically just used to do area denial and concentrate movements somewhere.
Even so planting AP landmines is widely considered a war crime these days, so…

I was under the impression that the circuit would be limited entirely to the aircraft, no external command. Self directed (or perhaps, maybe, autonomous).


You make a valid point. But we're currently approaching the end of a generation in command. The guys wearing those uniforms were raised (and formed the basis of their personalities and prejudices) at a time when computers were things that most, but not all, universities had. The next generation is going to be much more amenable to trusting circuits and programs - probably not enough to give them auto-cannons and ATGMS - but more than the current generation do. They are likely to green light projects to automate logistics. Commercial warehouses are approaching that point already, so in 5 or so years it'll likely be just picking an existing off the shelf system; that's much easier to trust than something with the word 'prototype' in the project files.

20 or so years after that though the men sitting behind the big desks are likely to remember own automated cars (or at least a model with an optional 'self driving' mode) and they'll get a step closer, it may take another generation to get automated combat systems off of Zig Forums design threads and into the field, but it's all but inevitable at this point. The only variable seems to be the cost, which decreases every year. As it's inevitable and currently possible there's no reason not to jump the intervening decades and introduce them today. Well, no reason other than the psychological limitations of a few old men who just want a quiet life.

You do realize you're full of shit, right?
What you're talking about is referred to Positive Train Control in the United States. It's used more as a safety net against operator error, but it's the first step towards getting trains that drive themselves.
Congress tried to pass legislation mandating that all Class 1 Railroads (annual operating revenue of > ~$430 million) as well as all railroads operating revenue passenger service implement PTC systemwide by the end of 2015. Now keep in mind that covers hundreds of thousands of miles of track, and that the cost of this systems runs something on the order of millions of dollars per mile'.
All the Class 1s got together and basically told Congress it couldn't be done and that they would have to cease operations indefinitely to comply with the mandate. Congress gave them a three year extension. Now that extension is almost up, and it's still not any more possible. They've been spending money hand over fist for the last half a decade trying to make this work and it's not happening.
You can make full autonomous trains work on a sterile closed system like a subway. You can make PTC work on high density regions like the Northwest or Southeast Corridors, keeping in mind that either of those examples is approximately equivalent to your entire national rail network. You could probably make it work on a system you were building from scratch, like if you wanted to build an American Shinkansen. But to integrate it to an established system the size of the United States' would basically mean tearing out and replacing every piece of infrastructure except the rail itself.

You fucking knob end.

Tight beam microwave or laser transmitted by line of sight from a mobile command.

The American rail system is, arguably, a special case. As you've pointed out it's fucking HUGE.
I'm not going to say that the USA has more rail than the rest of the world put together, but of the 1,051,768 km of rail tracks in the world just under a quarter of them are yours. It'd be a significant project for any country that did it, but it would be much more feasible for anyone other than America.

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BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

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Bitch please.
Of course if the US government ask a US company to make it it's gonna cost millions of dollars per feet of rail as there will surely be the need to have tracks made of solid gold to enhance sensors connectivity.
But all it is is a comment about the state of the US industry and government.
There is 0 engineering challenge in making automated trains besides precise mapping of the network (which should already exist) and installing regular corrections relays (which granted on the gigantic US system would be a sizable investment, but nothing close to what an (((US company))) will tempted to bill on the literally infinite US budget).

There might be economical reasons to not do it, sure, but it's certainly not a tech issue.

Ace Combat 3 predicted all of this shit to be widespread by 2040 in Strangereal back in the 90's. Next step should be direct pilot-jet neural links COFFIN systems.
It also predicted the F-22 outliving the F-35.

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They're already planning that, see

You continue to be a dumb fuck.
The rail system in the United States is not nationalized like it is in France. This is not a contractor spending taxpayer money, these are private companies spending their own money in an attempt to comply with government 'safety' regulation.

Automating a submarine or spacecraft is trivial because the hazard density of their respective mediums is negligable. What's a submarine going to run into out there in a million square miles of ocean except another vessel or maybe the seafloor? Do you really think you're just going to slap a GPS reciever and a remote control on a locomotive and that's it?

How's your robotrain going to step down off the pilot and physically throw a switch or set a derail? Only mainline turnouts are remotely controlled, and even then only on the busiest junctions and corridors. Do you really expect these companies to pay to install and maintain the equipment to automate every single industrial siding, even the ones that see less than a dozen carloads a year? How's your robot going to climb up onto a car and set the handbrake? Remember, you take a car off of air and the brakes will eventually bleed out and release. I guess you expect them to replace or retrofit every single piece of rolling stock in existence too. What's it going to do when you break a knuckle and split the train in half out in the middle of nowhere? Can't move until you at least go out and cap the air line, so I guess it calls for help and sits there, tying up the line, while it waits for a repair crew. How's robotrain gong to monitor for abnormal track conditions, sun kinks, and so forth?

There have already been experiments with remote control switchers; if they can allow the conductor/brakeman to control the locomotive at the same time they're out there climbing around setting switches/derails/brakes then they can eliminate the 'engineer' seat for their yard crews. Except they're all but universally more trouble than they're worth, doubling the crewman's workload, locking itself into 'man down' safety mode at the slightest provocation, or just by the fact that you have to climb back onto the locomotive to see what you're doing anyway.

Again, this sort of thing works best in isolated, sterile systems. There are a bunch of mining railroads out in Australia that could feasibly be automated, and there's at least one that's trying. It's a single track line from the mine inland to the bulk loading facility on the coast, with maybe two or three passing sidings in between, and nothing else for hundreds of miles. You cruise for eight hours, go around a big loop at each end to turn around, the train loads while moving, unloads while moving, changes crews while moving, no switching, no shunting, they run maybe two or three trains at any given time on the whole network. It would be perfect to automate, except that's not a railroad, that's a rolling conveyor belt.

Yeah, and we've had the tech necessary to establish a Mars colony since the 60's. Knowing how to do something, being able to do something, and actually doing it are three entirely different exercises.

So the problem is that American rail infrastructure is obsolete and the companies are complaining about being legally compelled to bring it up to modern standards? Bear in mind that in Britain complaining about our railway system is practically a national sport, and American trains make ours look fantastic in comparison.

go away, meatbags
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>(((obsolete)))

Well maybe if your (((private companies))) had modernized regularly the rail infrastructure since 1922 instead of maximizing profits you wouldn't have to do everything manually.
You're taking pride in shit that is from literally the stone age of rail transport.

IIRC there isn't even a single hi-speed line in the US.

And again you're mixing economical consideration for technical limitations.

and they chose option two, yet somehow still have the gall to complain that 'modernisation is like SOOOOOOOOO expensive you guise!'. You can tell that these are men who inherited everything they own.

Three quibbles:
1. America is by far the most populous developed nation. India and China doesn't count, they're still figuring out how toilets work.
2. It also has to do with the size of the country, Canada for example has only 30 million people but 42 thousand kilometers of track.
3. How much of that track is modern, used track, and how much of it is obsolete unused track?

>Well maybe if your (((private companies))) had modernized regularly the rail infrastructure since 1922 instead of maximizing profits you wouldn't have to do everything manually.
You're right, maintenance of existing infrastructure was never at the top of anyone's priority list, in either the private or public sector. In the 50's an onward, the government's view was "we're putting all of this money into aviation and the interstate highway system, let's prop up the railroads just long enough for the other modes of transport to start taking the burden" See: Amtrak and Conrail.
Oh, and remind me, who rebuilt most of your transportation infrastructure, including your rail network, after the war? That's right, us. So don't act like you deserve all the credit. And if the French system is so great, why don't you show me how you can switch out an industry without the crew leaving the cab? Based on how little actual freight Euro railways tend to move, my guess is "you don't", you just run unit trains to the nearest intermodal yard or bulk goods terminus, and let trucks handle the first and last miles.

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How does that apply to Americans again?

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brb watching Stealth

That movie is unironically my guilty pleasure. I just want more triple-A Ace Combat movies. They're so rare.

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The burger mind in a nutshell.


You can do all of it with analog technology. Tracks are a continuous circuit by themselves. It's not fucking hard to do a basic electrical impulse systems.
This:
Is what they do in under-developed countries like India.
There are NO ENGINEERS OR BRAKEMEN IN MODERN TRAINS.
Just as there are no more flight engineers and flight technicians in planes.

Because none of that shit is done manually anywhere on the fucking planet except in the 3rd world and in the US.
Train send signal -> Switching is done.

What kind OF INSANE SORCERY IS THIS§§§.

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You can tell this thread is full of autists cause they are arguing about trains.

The point here is that the US rail network is obsolete, used, track; rather than either of the two options you've listed there.


The fuck did you just call me!? But this is my point. Even with the UK having a terrible and poorly managed rail network we're still a generation or two ahead of America in that regard - and that was despite several decades of government policy that almost looks like it was designed to destroy British railways.

Because the UK government is retarded and doesn't about anything but themselves.

Why do britbongs refuse to upgrade their outdated rails made by 19th century standards? Why do they refuse to encouraging growth, expanding capacity, reducing accidents and risk, and reducing costs/maximising profits long term?

You're still not answering my question or addressing my claims.

That's possibly a terminology thing? Train crews in the United States are composed of two positions, the 'Engineer', who drives the train and does nothing else, and the 'Conductor', who does everything else, communicating with dispatch, filling out paperwork, and yes, getting out of the train to do the fiddly bits you can't do from the cab. In the past, 'Brakeman' was a separate position to do the 'fiddly bits', but those responsibilities were long ago rolled into the 'Conductor' seat.

You are still full of shit. Show me where a French crew can switch out an industry without leaving the cab. And just to be perfectly clear, I mean
Actually, watch the attached video. The brakeman steps out of the cab and physically pulls a lever to uncouple the cars and set the points. What 19th century techno-barbarism is this? I thought the French were supposed to be better than that.

How can muh infrastructure europoors even recover?

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user, have you ever worked with any kind of machine learning or artificial intelligence in your life? Just curious.

Someone found a good way to funnel money out of the sheeps' trough.

Not really. There is

That's a factory (private) railway. And it's not an actual train, it's a shunting machine. There not allowed to circulate on the actual network…
Industrial railways are privately owned and operated and guess what, they do the same as you and save bucks everywhere they can until something really breaks. Industrial railways are only connected to the main network via a fret operator. Employees of the industry railyard are tasked with loading/unloading, employees of the fret company just handle transport.
Again rail fret isn't much develloped not becasue of technology but because it makes little sense economically (just as rail passenger transport makes little sense economically in the US) because of geography you're never far from a port, Europe is way more densely populated than the US, industrial areas are older (and are therefore nearly all are completely within urban concentrations so have fun expropriating tens of thousands if you need more fret), etc…
So trucks are so much simpler to use than fret trains.

That's what modern coupling looks like.
You guys know that we can do the same in fucking space without any operator whatsoever but somehow you really think that coupling and uncoupling train cars is impossible???

Also I shat on the poo earlier but even them have uncovered the great mystery of automated/commanded switches.
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And you have you ever heard of a point-to-point network? Have you ever wonder why pajeet is taking your job?

Shit.
There is only a "conductor" aboard a train in Europe. It's a one man job (half-man job in high speed trains, the train is largely running on autopilot).

lol backpedaling

lolnope

A point to point network can be analog… in fact they mostly used to be.
It's what phone networks were you inbreeding islander.
In fact the US control rooms I showed earlier are exactly that.

More backpedaling, I see.

can we discuss the bleedn' tempest?!

No, only trains now.

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If you've got more info to post on it then please do. At the moment I think we've discussed all of the almost nothing they've released on the project, and come to the conclusion that it will be cheaper than the F35 (because fuelling an aircraft with liquid gold would be cheaper than an F35), and that it could potentially be used as a UCAV. Do you have any more news on the tempest? I'd love to hear it if you do. If not then how fucked is the train network in leaf-land?

But why on earth would we need this useless shit?

Because you wouldn't lose donbass with it. Do you plan on using old soviet shit you can't afford to replace forever? I mean, they're going to keep knocking them down…

We both know that's not true. Ukrainians are like Arabs - you can give them all the modern weapons and training you like, but they'll still get their asses handed to them every time.

There is nothing to discuss, they showed an horribly aliased 3d model not even a mod-kiddy would dare to show.

I think it's great to have a BAe/Leonardo future plane VS Dassault/Airbus future plane (because concurrence is the only way to have good shit) and every major EU power basically admitting that the F-35 is an unaffordable POS.

It's even more funny when both Leonardo/BAe and UK/Italy are first tier clients of the F-35…

That's slavs in general.

Each of those tiny cuck planes cost 20+ million dollars and can take down nothing, thanks but I'd rather stick to a post-Soviet counter-air defense system with further Gripen transition.

How's your emu overlord doing?

Most Slavs can win a war by throwing enough men into the grinder. Ukrainians can't even manage that much.

Should've just mentioned the Chinese buying our country wholesale. That hurts a lot more than a century of failed pest control measures.

Nigger, Anglos, Eurofags and burgers are ruled by jews and commies, spics by bloodthirsty criminals, and the rest of the world by chinks or vodkaniggers. Each of them at least take a bit of solace, or save face in thinking or saying they may have lost, but at least to a powerful, resourceful, well-equipped, armed-to-the-teeth opponet! You faggots lost and are ruled over by a bunch of unarmed flighltless birds! What can be more pathetic than that?

Actually, this has got me thinking. Could it be related to perchance? Sage for doublepost.

If there is one interesting tidbit to glean from this PR stunt, it's that the mere existence of funding for such paper projects is a sign that the chickens are finally coming home to roost for the debacle that is the F-35. It's proof that there are sizeable contingents within the various European air forces that have lost faith in the F-35 ptogram and have enough influence to at least initiate the search for alternatives.

The last saving grace of the F-35 program was that enough airframes had already been promised for export that the per unit cost would eventually fall to the point of being fairly reasonable. However, the loss of just a single major export partner might be enough to collapse the wholr house of cards on top of Lockheed and the corrupt DoD procurement system.

There are currently ~3,156 F-35's that have been delivered, ordered, or are planned to be purchased in public agreements. Let's say the two shakiest partners, Canada and the Netherlands, back out of their agreements. That's 102 airframes gone which equates to ~3% of total production. That 3% raises the per unit cost as Lockheed can't spread their embarrassing R&D costs over those additional airframes. That means the cost to buy an F-35 goes up for someone, whether the US absorbs all of it or it hits the export partners doesn't matter. Each incremental increase in price will be met by a reduction in orders, creating a death spiral whereby the only fix is for the US to dump even mote $$$ into buying aircraft that are already a political hot button issue.

I can honestly see the F-35 heading in the direction of the F-22 if a half-decent alternative is presented to the largest export partners. If the continental EU + Canada + Australia partners back out, that is an ~11% drop in total orders and there is no way Congress can justify the current US F-35 orders if the per unit cost shoots up by ~10-11%. That'll kick off an enormous death spiral that ends with less than half the original number of F-35s actually entering service.

Again Eurofighter is more expensive then F-35 it didn't stop europoors in the past. Any new plane realistically would be at least x3 times price of the Eurofighter.

F-35 has issues (main is that it is one big gaping backdoor and can't be relied upon if country displeases US, well this was the plan) but cost is not the thing europoors can do better.

With Russian threat on the rise Congresses would approving any price and any gear. Marines are SCREAMING for the Overmatch.

Adjusted for influation or based on the bureaucratic parts supply faggotry required to reliably maintain them?
It'll be tough to beat the F-35's planned 1.3 trillion $ program cost though I'm certain they'll find a way to pull it off.

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No it's not.
Claim of Lockheed about the F-35 are lower priced than the Eurofighter.
If you look up how Japan/UK/Israel were billed for ONE squadron (each) the F-35 is easily 33% pricier than the Eurofighter (which isn't cheap, it's like 6 or 7x a F-16. But the first batches of F35 are coming out at 9 maybe 10x).

Israel gets them for free, Japan immediately launched the Mitsubishi X-2 project upon delivery of their F-35, UK and Italy got their delivery and are immediately launching the Tempest, South Korea go their delivery they launched the KF-X, Turkey got their delivery they launched the TF-X.

There is something terribly wrong with the F-35, everyone is planning to buy the minimum of airframes they're required and have payed for with the R&D fee/industrial package to uphold the deal they are stuck with but everyone is clearly planing to bail the minute they can.

What's the most likely thing to happen that could publicly discredit the whole stealth thing?

A mutual radar-based BVR engagement between stealth aircraft who are supposed to be invisible or an F-35 getting shot down by 50 year old barely maintained Soviet AA.