Innovative and Autistic Gun Modifications

ITT: Let's discuss any ideas you've seen or had that made you think "that would be fun if somebody actually manufactured it".

Reason I'm bringing this up is that I'm part of a crew who are thinking of using a machine shop to start testing out bizzare and fun guns and gun mods in our spare time.

You may remember me from the "improved suppressor thread" from a bit back. I'm basically a proponent of the old "shotgun innovation" style where we just try a bunch of different things and eventually something might spark an idea for a really good improvement.

Let's see what you got!

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forgottenweapons.com/scoped-sharps-1874-buffalo-rifle/
ninehundred.net/~equalccw/colafrancescopapers.pdf
ninehundred.net/~equalccw/sacmoney.pdf
mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/04/kid_rocks_name_found_on_oakley.html
thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/11/16/in-frankenstein-was-a-9mm-bullpup/
thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/11/mosin-nagant-in-500-smith-wesson/
thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/winchester-1895-and-500s-w.829653/
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One thought I had was a shock-absorbing system for optics. Imagine a synthetic shock absorber that would go under your optic (between optic and rail). Every time you fire, a rail would allow the optic to slide back a few mm to lower the actual shock transferred to the optic.
Only question is, can you make a rail-system that would hold your zero?

Pros: Fudds see "EXTEND YOUR OPTIC'S LIFE!!!!" and get excited for more mall-ninja shit.
Cons: Can it be made to hold zero? Would also elevate the optic a bit. Make it to spacer specs?

solenoid-actuated trigger for absolute control over the trigger pull feel

why do no high-end target rifles offer this

solenoid-actuated firing pin is more correct, my b. An electric trigger system using a solenoid to fire a primer on conventional ammo, so the trigger can be tuned and customized much more easily. Not for combat, a target rifle.

That's actually fucking brilliant.
Imagine a magnetic frictionless bearing and a proximity sensor. Literally frictionless trigger-pull.
I wonder if they don't do that because Guns+Batteries are always get bad juju. Though putting a little solar panel on top (like watches/calculators) with a C2012 battery would probably be enough

Somebody in another thread was talking about an integrated bipod and even drew up a CAD model of it. A neat idea, especially because mod bipods are ugly as hell. You'd just have to make sure it's replaceable-fixable.
Using this idea, assuming the heat-shielding isn't bad you could integrate lasers/lights as well. Make it sleek.
I love sleek.

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Elcan's 1.5x/6x optic has this I think, they designed an optic specifically to withstand the SCAR 17.

Yeah but this would be a universal generic brand.
You'd have to make sure it was sealed enough to keep dust out.

I've also been a fan of a side-folding version of picrelated. Has to be side-folding otherwise you'd never be able to keep optics on it. Even so, i wonder how difficult it would be to keep the zeros, if there's a way to make sure the barrel returns to the same place 100% of the time.

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Thats a retarded idea, not to mention it has been done before. Modern optic designs are more than capable of withstanding shock without the need for some over complex and more than likely delicate scope shaker
forgottenweapons.com/scoped-sharps-1874-buffalo-rifle/

it'll need a tad more power than that, it needs enough electrical energy to push the pin out and fire the gun… a single 18650 will have enough power for quite a few shots, but would mean a necessary li-ion battery management chip, and those things love breaking. Probably best to go with classic batteries.

Fuds shit on electrical systems for being unreliable, but in a simple circuit like this, there would only be a couple things to go wrong. 0 pcbs or ICs necessary, just a single, super-tough wire from the battery to trigger+safety switch and then the solenoid. The metal receiver is ground, like how sparkplugs use the engine as ground.

Possibly, but it's weapons like the FAL that have a reputation for shaking scopes apart that might have a market.

So far you're talking about the firing pin itself being propelled by the electrical energy, instead of a spring and hammer/striker. What if you instead had a fairly conventional hammer and sear, with a simple electrical system being what makes the sear move to allow the hammer to fall? That should be far more efficient than trying to directly push the firing pin with enough impulse to detonate a primer.

I thought Remington tried the electric + rifle stuff once.

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Belt fed vertically from a tube containing said belt. Like the Sta-52 from Killzone

Needed special primers. You had to buy their special ammo and if the stopped making it (which they did) your rifle was a paperweight.
The suggestions in the thread would work with ammo made a century ago.

FAMAS has an integrated bipod no? It certainly can be done.


Not exactly sure what you mean by "universal and generic." the elcan will go on any Picatinny rail just fine, just because it was designed with the SCAR in mind doesn't mean you have to keep it there.

you only needed their special primers which were able to be used with any brass
btw the main component of the primers was just a surface mount resistor soldered to the contacts so you could probably reload them if you wanted to

Voere was experimenting with a laser ignition system for target rifles that would work with regular primers.

Have enough rail built into the base of the barrel to mount the optic to the barrel?

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7.62 NATO battle rifle which could be turned into a low rate of fire GPMG. Kind of like turning a FAL into a 300rpm GPMG with a few modifications.

This may be of some interest, though the subject matter is for a larger variety of cartridge munition I'm sure the principles could be applied.

Because the BATFE considers electronically actuated triggers machine guns. If I recall correctly.

I wanted something like this, but where the handguard could hinge down to expose the cleaning rods/gummy bears.

Integrated bipod could work well like a keltek and exposing the cleaning kit.

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The integrated bipod would work better if there was still a handguard under it there when it was deployed, so you wouldn't have to waste time folding it to not burn your hand.

That looks like a whole lot more cleaning to me. As soon as you place your bipod in dirt/mud/sand and then collapse it back into a handguard you've got that gunk there. I realize it's just going up against the barrel/gastube but it still is adding more mess and closer to the ejection port.

Pretty sure any bipod will have cleaning problems if you plop yourself down in mud.

You don't have to fold down the handguard and have bare barrel. I kinda wanted a storage compartment under it for cleaning kits afterall. Maybe the Steyr would of been a better example.
People tend to use the side rails on a handguard for garbage, so i was picturing the bottom rail folding down at the gas block and pivoting open.

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is it possible to make a AK with a Galil/RK62 reciever

Those are types of AKs, retard. And why would you want to make a gun with a more expensive proprietary receiver for no reason? There is no benefit to a Galil receiver.

Funfact CIA commissioned the design of that firearm from Steyr specifically for Albanian terrorists. It's meant to be a "pocket sniper", an accurate rifle simple enough to be used by inbred islamic retards yet accurate enough to outrange most assault rifles or dog searches. Meant for shooting police, in actuality.

Probably as close to a real insurgency rifle as has ever been made.

More of Mr.Cooper and Steyr threw together a rifle that fit the aforementioned mans concept of a scout rifle. Because the powers that be threw them at albos does not mean they designed it for that.

Bullpup belt fed from a cylinder containing said belt.

So a belt-fed helical mag?
Would solve some of the "muh prone reloading" issues possibly. Now to solve the trigger issue.

sauce?

Thots on solenoid triggers to combat the bullpup trigger issue?
I always liked the idea. I think solenoid triggers are the future tbh batteries can last a long time these days and you get one of these Li-ion RC batteries you wouldn't have to change it out but once every few thousand rounds.
Of course, it wouldn't be popular but you'd get a silky smooth trigger every pull.

Hi where are the proofs my friend XDXDXDXD

sauce? actually interested

When I was little I was playing with parts from a kinder egg. I was on my back playing with it above my head, and a small wheel from a car flew into my nose. Ever since then I could tune into CIA frequencies.

If I told you my source she would die.

profs??????)))))))))))))))))))))

Wouldn't it be cheaper ,easier, and faster to supply retards with any piece of shit using a full power cartridge. Pot shots from a beat ass Lee Enfield seems to do wonders in Afghanistan. The CIA is retarded but seeing how they cancelled the deer gun project for being a waste of money makes me think they're not THAT retarded.
Also what the fuck is a pocket sniper? The scout rifle doesn't fold, not nearly compact enough to hide easily, a better gun to fulfill such a title would be a T/C contender or other break/bolt action pistol with bipod and scope. Sure it lacks range but if shooting people down the street and keeping everyone pinned like in urban syria or assassination is the goal then it'll fulfill that title and goal well enough while still being light and compact.

Because CIA needed to protect their heroin dealers and they had infinity money from gullible american taxpayers.

Not a huge market for FALs tho, or G3s, etc.

Like there IS a market, but not enough to justify the costs of QA, machining, marketing, shipping, etc.

hydraulic trigger linkage for bullpups. they already have something like this for bench rifles to minimize operator contact with the gun.
removes the cheese from the trigger pull since water/hydraulic fluid don't compress.
the downside is the system possibly losing it's seal and the weapon becoming useless.

wonder if you could make the trigger into a frictionless magneto to generate the charge? then you wouldn't need a battery.

You could attach a piezoelectric element to it but then you will get 30 lbs trigger pull, to generate enough energy to kick off a primer out of tiny trigger travel. At that point you might as well just use normal hammer and pin mechanism; you only need enough power out of trigger pull to release the spring-loaded hammer, not to actually propel it from standstill.

There are number of good reasons to have heavy trigger pull. Avoiding accidental pulls is the most basic one. To get good accuracy you want smooth trigger pull, not light one.

Simply have the rail attached to the barrel.

Air rifle scope would be sturdy enough to put on any gun.

If you forego electric actuation you might as well just use fully mechanical system. It's adjustable to the same degree anyway and at that point it's not different.

Electric ignition could be much simpler. All you need to do is to put a lot of electric current through tiny spot on the primer, causing it to heat up. In this regard, putting the power out as quickly as possible would actually improve efficiency of the process.

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Hydraulic might be a fun idea. We've gotten pretty good at keeping hydraulics from leaking esp if you minimize hose usage.

G3 is bigger than FAL in the US due to PTR company.

Jim March Simpson is pretty autistic. Here's a revolver he modified with a gas eject system.

Also, there's this:

>ninehundred.net/~equalccw/colafrancescopapers.pdf

>ninehundred.net/~equalccw/sacmoney.pdf
>mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2015/04/kid_rocks_name_found_on_oakley.html

Has anyone recently tried doing a bolt action to semi auto conversion? there were weapons before like the Charlton Automatic Rifle (which were mass produced full auto enfields) and the m1915 embed related which has a gas port tapped off near the end and a piston/cam driven bolt, but I haven't seen anything similar done recently.
I'm not entirely sure what the difficulty of tapping off the end of a barrel for a gas port is, as well as possibly having to modify the trigger group to allow for semi-auto fire. i feel though that you could take a cheap used bolt action and someone with moderate machining skill could create a gas port and then a long stroke piston to guide the bolt along the tracks. if there is a cheap straight pull rifle then it could be even easier (think k31 but cheap and in standard caliber)
the video is a good example of what i am talking about. plus imo i think the design looks cool as fuck. probably something to do with the moving parts being on the outside

The problem is that you have to modify every part of the gun, and with all that effort you could create a new gun. Really, the most efficient conversion method of bolt action rifles to (semi-)automatic weapons was invented by the Russkies: chop the barrel of the rifle in half, bore new chambers on both barrels, and then use them in a pair of blow-back submachine guns. Other than that, Austria-Hungary or Switzerland could have had a headstart on the developement of battle rifles if they designed a new weapon that used as many parts of their straight pull rifles as possible, and then used their existing machinery to mass produce completely new rifles. That would be actually quite cool in a Strangereal-like setting, where notAH decides to give everyone a self-loading rifle.

I have this idea of rolling a bayonet mount, a flashlight and a bipod into a single unit that you just have to hang on front of the handguard. Of course the flashlight would be combined with a laser sight. And you could take off the bipod bits with a screwdriver. Now the real question is, would a weapon light with a maximum diameter of 22mm (a wee bit less than 1") work well enough for this job?

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That sounds heavy as fuck considering that it's also on the far end of the weapon even without the legs. Is the average aluminum handguard capable of taking the kind of stress that a normal barrel mounted bayonet would? I've never really seen a list or test of the strength of hanguards but I'd imagine most non-quad rails (already fairly heavy) would eat shit fairly easily.
As for the tiny light, I see no reason why a well made light would be held back much for indoor/close quarters use (for proof check out the sirefire xc1 or 2). Now if it had a full sized light to the side somehow and the bayo goes over the laser instead it might work well for outdoor use too.

A fictional polymer framed SMG made in Brazil that I came up with a while back to make an example of why grip magazines on long guns are a dumb idea. It's in .40 Shit & Weak. It's short stroke piston operated. The carry handle has a hollow front and rear on which the iron sights are mounted, like a FAMAS but even worse.

What'cha think?

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Picrelated out of 10

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Wow, what is that?

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/11/16/in-frankenstein-was-a-9mm-bullpup/

I love it.

Here's an excellent illustration that might help to explain the idea.
You have to mount the flashlight and the bipod on the front anyway, that gave me the idea to just turn them into a single unit. The bayonet is just sheer autism.
I have no idea to be honest, but considering how flimsy some bayonet mounts are (like the MAS-36 and the Johnson rifle) I think they would work fine. Bayonets are only useful if you escort prisoners anyway, or maybe for parades if you are into that.
I see your point here, but in that case you could still use this abomination only as the laser, and mount a much bigger light to the side. Of course at this point we'd have to discuss the merits and dangers of using lights outdoors when people want to shoot at you.

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To push the autism even more forward: it could also function as a stacking rod, so you'd have two obsolete and two modern features added to the rifle.

i want to try turn a custom infinitely re-loadable rifle cartridge out of steel. what do you think is the thinnest i can make it so that it doesn't ever need any kind of resizing?

*assuming the hypothetical cartridge uses 223/556 standard projectiles and large rifle primers.

Problem is, if the case never deforms, you aren't getting a proper chamber seal from it. You'll have gas blowing back around the casing which will foul the chamber, decrease accuracy, and could cause premature wear of the chamber. If you fire-form your brass and neck size the most you'll have to do is trim the neck every couple firings. I suppose there's no reason you couldn't fire-form steel. World militaries have spent a lot of cash in search of the thinnest steel cartridge case they could use in order to save on weight and materials. Buy a couple different steel case rounds, section them, and mic the casing to get an idea of the bottom floor for practical thickness and work up from there until you get results that are to your liking.

If you really want a case that needs no forming you'll have to look into elastic limits and things like that. You want the case to expand to fill the chamber, then spring back to its former dimension. This is above my engineering knowledge, but materials selection will be critical if you truly want to proceed as you've stated.

A couple things about your pic related, The knob on the back seems like it would have the same function as the "safety" switch on a nugget, that is you have to pull it back hard as fuck and turn at the same time. second the magazine seems like would be a pull-along like in a belt fed weapon, also shown in game where the magazine recedes into the weapon as you fir (i think). only other thing would be the stock, seems incredibly fragile and would be shitty to try to get a cheek weld (see: underfolder AK's)

only suggestions would be make it in 10mm and design the magazine/magazine well so that it doesnt jut out so much

There's already a ton of wasted mechanical and chemical energy being wasted inside a firearm that could be put to good use. The cycling of the action should generate enough energy for the next trigger pull. A lightly wound magneto could charge a couple 1000uf capacitors, then a simple monostable multivibrator (one-shot) on whatever trigger mechanism is being used would initiate a capacitive discharge through the solenoid. Once the round fires and cycles the action, spinning the magneto and charging the caps for the next cycle.

A BCG is already riding on a set of rails. Why not place a couple strong magnets on the sides of the BCG, and have them pass over an appropriately sized coil as the action cycles? That would generate enough voltage/current to charge a couple caps.

How would this kind of quick-change barrel system affect accuracy? I imagine you could fine-tune the sights for a specific barrel, but it wouldn't work with an other one.

Are you suggesting a gun that mag dumps automatically the first time you pull the trigger? Or am I failing at reading comprehension?

He's saying that it recharges the trigger after each shot akin to a disconnector, except here battery and circuit doing this function.

AUG had a quick change barrel and never suffered from accuracy problems.

Quick-barrel changes are on all modern military HMG's as well as on the 240B and M249 SAW which are lighter. Accuracy is preserved through the locking mechanisms.
I don't know about how this TYPE of quick-change barrel effects it, or if the standard systems effect it either.
From what I understand, a quick change barrel isn't going to give you sniper-like accuracy, but it's better and more accurate than a cherry-red barrel.

now you're talking my language.
sage for doublepost

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I'm asking because this method seems to be stupid simple both in construction and in handling, and seems to give a "free-floating" it's not true free-floating if a gas piston is attached to it barrel. So in theory you could reach designated-marksman levels of accuracy with this, right?

in theory - yes, though it's probably harder to get there.

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/05/11/mosin-nagant-in-500-smith-wesson/
I have to wonder how well would this conversion work with vid related. The magazine seems to be better suited for a shorter cartridge, and I imagine the chargers would work just fine.

Why bother with that when you could just use an 1894? They already come in .444 Marlin which has more energy than .500 S&W Magnum .

Someone already has a lever gun in .500 and a few of all the other snowflake magnum cartridges and if I recall made a rimless .500 and chambered an AR in it.

Because this could work as a companion rifle to a .500 S&W revolver. Both of them hold 5 rounds, and in theory you could use the chargers to reload either of them. If they work with the cartridgein the first place. And that greatly satsifies my autism.

I found this thread where people are talking about this exact thing a little over a year ago
thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/winchester-1895-and-500s-w.829653/

Why the Nagant, though? Aside from the fact that it used a rimmed cartridge to begin with and

It's called the Mosin.

Been working on this for a couple days. It's a barrel nut system for the nugget. I dont have the trunion or barrel nut fully sized yet, but I'd like to know whether or not you guys think the chamber walls would hold up in this type of system.

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Not quite. has it more or less right. What I mean was this, step-by-step:
See pics for basic idea.
I'm not saying it wouldn't require significant modification to a test firearm - it would. But it could/would perform exactly as described, that is electronically tiriggering a solenoid firing pin.
The circuit for the trigger could probably fit on a board not much bigger than a postage stamp. One IC, a handful of discrete components, and a FET or two. It would have to be encased in epoxy or something to get it past the ATF.

oops forgot pics

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