Why are Atheists so resistant to even entertaining the notion that God exists? I'm a former Atheist myself and even I don't understand that mentality. It's as though they WANT God to not be real. Why?
Why are Atheists so resistant to even entertaining the notion that God exists...
Caleb Price
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David Martin
They don't want God to be real. If God was real they'd have to account for their nasty little selfish decisions to someone and they can barely tolerate that from other humans let alone an objectively correct judge of human character.
Jason Bennett
This is straw-manning.
Austin Jenkins
Cognitive Dissonance. If they admit, then it shatters everything they have done; forced to own up bad things they did in their hedonistic pursuit or debauchery; acknowledging that one is just another sinner, not the special snowflake like every single grade teachers have told them; and their pride will not allow that.
Logan Robinson
Wew, only four responses in and it's become evident this thread is going to be just as useful as asking an atheisum subreddit why Christians refuse to consider there isn't a God.
Given Atheism means the lack of belief in a god/gods and not
There's a huge spectrum of people that are not religious for various reasons. There are absolutely some hedonists that are Atheist, but to imply they're all X or Y is disingenuous (if X or Y aren't "Atheist")
Of the atheists I know, the reasons vary. Some include:
I know few atheists that consider themselves special snowflakes – if anything, at face value, Christianity is by far a more "special snowflake" ideology – because if you go full reductive materialist atheism, you and everybody else are literally the same components and any thought to the contrary is objectively false. All that is "you" in the conventional sense is just a fleeting illusion in the universal one-ness of being. Whereas in Christianity, everybody really is unique and no matter what there's at least one/three person(s) that love you and care about you.
Gabriel Carter
Psalm 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Nicholas King
the answer is death
Levi Brooks
Being in the same boat you are in, in that regard, I believe in the West there is a certain strain of atheism that is just simply angry at Christianity due to slights a person might have received (or were perceived to have received) at one point or another from someone in clergy or from a particular community or another. I certainly had an issue along these lines, and it sure seemed like I wasn't the only one (however I no longer have access to those people I associated with back then so I am in no position to take a census).
Some might be hyper-rationalistic, and might discount anything intangible, I don't doubt people out there exist like that. But the one or two that I knew like that were outweighed by very angry people who were more interested verbal knife fights with what they perceived to be TPTB than correlational studies, historical research and scholarly artifact dating. If something came up that supported an anti-Christian view they accepted it, but if something came up that supported something in the Bible it was discounted as unimportant. After a time of this I drifted to agnosticism until I resolved the situation towards Christ's end a few years ago.
Sure, people can believe or not believe in something for any number of reasons. However, having been in a position of being in both groups at varying points in my life I can only comment on direct observations I made of other (at the time fellow) non-believers, and the vast majority of the ones I observed locally were simply very angry at Christianity and used the most efficient means available to them at the time to attack it, nothing more or less. There's a lot of athiests online these days like that who seem to have a flirtation with either Islam or hard left politics, and I expect over the next 10-20 years those types will drift over to one or the other as their religion of choice. It's sort of happening now, atheism is certainly not as…dynamic, perhaps? As it was just 5-10 years ago.
Matthew Perez
Lack of humility.
Because God does not force his presence upon normies, he gently calls them with signs and symbols, the atheist can easily ignore the signs because the atheist wants mathematical syllogistic certainty or to experience the full force of God's presence.
Juan Fisher
You need to go back Schlomo
Jack King
Get behind me, Satan.
Brody Evans
No it’s not. Atheists hate accountability
Anthony Edwards
Jason Sullivan
Just because you believe in an afterlife, bad, good or both, how does that mean that one exists? And yes, belief in nothing after we die is freedom as it is freedom from the decietful false promises from religion given to us by the very people who founded your god. There was no heaven, no hell no purgatory etcetera to begin with. It was imagined, just as an idea is. Because that is what religions are: ideas.(USER WAS WARNED FOR ANTI-CHRISTIAN RHETORIC)
Alexander Jackson
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Isaac Gomez
they want God to not be real bc then that means taking accountability for their actions
Cameron Lee
Good post OP. We know it's a good post cause of all the butthurt atheists who responded, crying at you
Angel Watson
Read your Bible
John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Kayden Martinez
My goal wasn't to make people butthurt, my goal was to have genuine understanding.
James Wright
I find it interesting the amount of atheists who are apparently browsing a Christian board and then get mad at the resident Christians for not believing the same as them.
Levi Gonzalez
Here in Britain most people I know weren't raised with any religion and therefore don't see the need for it. When asked about God they just don't see any reason to think He would exist.
Jaxson Ross
Atheism is associated with intelligence since it has associated itself with the sciences astronomy, psychology and biology, to practice science you have to use scientific discernment which is if there is a theory present you look for evidence to disprove It, which is the opposite of how one finds faith, child phychologist Jean piaget noticed that as one year old children were only able to rely on their oral survival circuitry, when faced with an obstacle of a glass bridge they would not cross It, despite being able to feel the glass bridge they could not believe it was their and therefore stayed put. Matthew 11:25 shows us that God wants us to come to him.
I am going through a time of serious confusion to why I exist but also I have the clarity to see the kingdom of heaven on the move today, the church will need men who can discern truth from lies and take on the huge hurdle of digesting all that science and philosophy has thrown up to form its arguments, they will need to be agreed as snakes but innocent as doves, but with Christ ALL things are possible
Nicholas Taylor
This as well. Households are less religious and kids figure they’re doing fine enough and don’t seek to convert.
Also there are Atheists that wish there was a god (even the Christian one) but don’t see it being possible.
I know quoting comics is garbage tier but there’s a beta ray bill quote that sums it up
Evan James
Had to find it.
Benjamin Roberts
Lack of clear, compelling, physical evidence does it for me.
Ayden Wilson
I always fucking hated this quote. Because he says this in the fucking marvel universe, where God does infact exist. Hell, he got his powers from odin like tf.
Liam Peterson
The setting undermines it a bit but I could probably find the same character in Endtown but it wouldn’t be in a single digestible panel
Gavin James
what do you make of the evidence for the resurrection of Christ? When I converted, all the other theories seemed even more plausible and I had to conclude He rose from the dead.
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Jonathan Sanders
is there some online compendium where atheists are getting their zingers? i swear i've seen this quote with minor rewording hundreds of times in youtube comment sections
Isaiah Bailey
I've seen a lot of FB groups and pages. It tends to ALWAYS be left leaning, atheist, and "pro le science"
Carson Taylor
Jace Sanchez
This is why they love social programs and abortion.
Nathaniel Phillips
It's funny, I have probably published more paper and done more scientific research than all of those "atheist scientists" on that page. And notice how they only go after Christians…
Hudson Peterson
It's all from Satan himself. Demonic influence. That's why Atheists and Muslims get along with each other, even though they are at literal ends of the political-religious-economic spectrum.
Kevin Gomez
hello, sorry to be all "me me me" and jerk off in this thread, but i was raised agnostic and became a HUGE anti-theist so i hope that my journey might shed some light:
I used to be a radical anti-theist but I always enjoyed playing with theological arguments AND HATED to see fellow atheists who used strawmans and weak logic against equally retarded american protestants. also, i felt that anti-theism actually required a faith dogma of its own, in the like of Nietzsche european atheism, so I respected any intellectually honest Christian (usually they were Catholic) who articulated their faith assumptions in clear light
after a long time of studying philosophy I became convinced of some sort of clinical, objective, detached form of Greek theism, and i thought that atheism was stupid
then i read the writings of Guenon and Schuon and became convinced that religion is the best and most efficient way of articulating and understanding the ultimate truth, so here i am today (Catholic)
Tyler Cox
Regarding the 2nd image:
And the land has become defiled; therefore I have punished its iniquity, and the land has vomited out her inhabitants. But you shall therefore keep My statutes and My decrees, and you shall not commit any of these abominations, either the native citizen or any foreigner who sojourns among you (for the people of the land, who were before you, committed all of these abominations, and the land became defiled), lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. (Leviticus 18:25-28)
We don't see many First Nation people in America anymore do we? And their descendants are practically Spanish rape-babies living in poverty just across the border.
Hudson Wood
Exactly.
Christian Bailey
Who cares what atheists think?
Jonathan Howard
I wish this image wasn't all fuzzy
Joshua Watson
Kind of ironic how they have become the distorted cartoon of what they see Christians as, by running completely on "faith" of science over their denial of common spiritual realism (which can't be disproved with science), and having soo much emotional investment in God not existing.
There is also an edginess to it, they feel like they're sticking to the man/dad (who to them is responsible for why there is so much bad, ignoring Talmud world government parade or opposing spiritual entities) and his uncool followers, when he only wants to help them out of their feminist induced porn matrimony. It's the same misdirection as when leftist describe their boogyman ghost hunts and their ignorance to who the ruling elite is. "if only these people would give up their values and follow our government and media, than we can finally reach our one-sided utopia" it's like they never moved pass this adolescent understand of macro politics or spirituality or have spent too much time with leftist academia.
Others believe that they can't align themselves with a belief system that discriminates their distorted and lighthearted view of the fetish identity of those that call themselves Gay, especially since they're so organized and prevalent in media (who are now being replaced with trans-gendered delusion).
Some have been taught the wrong information, that we're Gods because of dangerous magic, or that we can become Christ, and these people will take something special to wake up from their New Age coma.
I actually feel bad for those who are trying to find the truth, but are so overwhelmed that they settle for a "well every religion is the same, so i'm going to become a yoga teacher and do a kundalini awakening"
God is an easy target to those who hardly understand him, that's not even including Gnostic. A lot of leftist themes mix with itself, feminism enters regular leftism, gay rights joins atheism, anti-racism bonds with peace, they all easily fit with each other. They see conservatives as all being part of one pesky club, despite Christians, and the fragments of white power or nationalist groups not mixing as well.
The sad thing is once their sins has gone too far, or when they realize their mortality, that is when they pray. Some of them think that you have to be perfect to be christian, that it's about cult-like purity and not redemption or preventing a rock bottom end. I don't even have any anger for them, just sadness.
Kevin Powell
Yeah, you taught them pretty good.
t. Santa Muerte laughing while good Catholic cartel members flay one another.
Thomas Cooper
Jack Lee
Cristoforo Colombo was Italian, Genoese to be precise.
Caleb Thompson
After the Freemasonry took over their Country, then things got truly wild.
Alexander Adams
Can you give a rundown of what happened?
Cameron Stewart
Grayson Smith
It's actually earlier than that, the original Adam Weishaupt bavarian illuminait go going in the 1700s, even if it's exactly related to freemasonry.
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Chase Collins
God give me patience.
Colton Watson
Ah ah, yeah…sure, we must say thanks to the person who did the good deed too (after all, he/she acted on free will), but indeed we are but tools in the hands of God.
Levi James
I read a bit about these groups; thanks for the answer, my point was mostly about why Mexico has such hard times to be truly Christian (even if there have been people doing such things even before the padres came to that land, and after they converted tribes some of them rebelled and wanted to revert, thus they masked their ancient heathen cults under a "Christian" facade, which brought forth Santa Muerte and similar things, just like voodoo, juju, santeria and macumba (my great-grandmother was Brazilian and witnessed/knew a lot on the last one).
Landon Kelly
It's easier to tell yourself that God is impossible (which is pretty hard) than it is to tread the path of righteousness
Ryder Bailey
This happens all the time. Whenever God is mentioned – even if it's in a common saying such as "Thank God," or "God Bless you." – an atheist always objects with some truncation of God doesn't exist.
Bentley Campbell
Just wanting to show off how high of an IQ they have. You can respect that, right, fellow intellectual?
Jaxon Brown
Nobody actually corresponds their actions to fully nihilistic materialist atheism. I mean, they claim to espouse it, but no one can even follow that since, utility-wise, it basically means saving up enough money to inject yourself with heroin until you either die from over-dose or old-age.
Considering it's a pretty easy calculation to figure out the current price of heroin, life expectancy, and the amount of heroin needed as tolerance kicks in, you'd figure atheists would have a savings account and be working on their stash.
That, of course, assumes rationality. I actually know atheists that are post-rational. They don't even believe logic has meaning but, at that point, there's zero reasons to have a discussion with them. If you believe in rationality, the heroin route seems the most expedient way to live a pleasurable athestic lifestlye- yet no one does it. Why? Because the atheists somehow think the random beliefs they were born with and pet-sins they developed somehow have more meaning than heroin usage until death- because deep down they do think they're special snowflakes and allow that to trump their rationality.
Noah Nelson
Romans 1 sums up exactly why quite nicely
Jack Davis
I was an athiest before; raised catholic now a baptist.
I am "hyper-rational", I fully knew the implications of nihilism and the conclusion that I just perish; I did not fear death as nothing mattered.
What woke me up is that my assumption of absolute truth based on random chance was a faith based belief (I listened to jordan Peterson).
I did some calculations based on engineering stats course I took on how to define anything without intrinsic meaning (good and bad, what does it mean) and the folly that comes from living in the might is right lifestyle.
I got baptized in Easter, and I go evanglizing in school. People do beleive in a truth out there when you spell it out for them but they aren't sure what it is. I break down thier arguements and then share the Gospel; by the grace of God I pray that they might be saved.
Also;
this is the exact verses that made me profess that Jesus is Lord; I didn't want to be held accountable to anyone.
Read on apologetics user and help people come to Christ; love your enemies
Gavin Mitchell
Most of You guys are sadly mistaken as an atheist I would much much much rather believe that God is real, if I could. If God was real, I wouldn't have to believe that all the suffering on Earth and the abuse of the Earth (the one home of humanity) itself was as horrible and depressing as it is. To believe Earth and this life isn't the final destination it must be a lot easier to stomach reality, living life as a day dream. If God was real, simply living a decent moral life and accepting conventions would be a ticket into an eternal afterlife of Sunshine.
The way these Christians talk is evil. They claim to know God and believe God, but they sit in judgement over people, ignoring the teachings of Jesus. I was born into a Christian house and community, I believe in most Christian ethics and philosophy but I fell out of it BELIEF because I witness the reality of the world, I lost beautiful woman at one point over it too, but I just could not be motivated in any way to keep pretending I felt something when I saw the world in both it's present and it's past with open eyes. It's not that I don't want to believe, I simply cannot.
left-leaning.. you mean socialist? Do you think Jesus was a capitalist? I'm not proclaiming the truth of socialism but if you are "pro material wealth" your not much of a Christian.
Christians don't love social programs?
The most Christian place in America is the heart of historical slave ownership.
Burden of proof on religion my friend. Religion has been fragmenting since the start of time. Even Christians on this board could never agree on what is a proper Christian or what is the truth Faith. Others would say your just fallen Jews and Muslims think your just misguided Muslims needing to be converted. The only point here is this.. not even believers can agree on what God is, what is true faith.. etc, You all have separate visions, that you live in and die for.
Elijah Powell
I have read on apologetics extensively.
All I was explaining is that atheists do not follow their rationality to its logical end that, in fact, the rational result of materialistic nihilism is death, yet, they are unwilling to accept it.
Or, worse, they are post-rational. Basically, they only believe words are a control mechanism from human to human and there is no objective truth to be obtained from discourse, only control.
There are, of course, ways to witness to these individuals though, despite my trying, I have not been successful. Whatever does bring success will not be rational discourse though because rational discourse is only a smokescreen through which they protect their ego; they don't actually believe in searching for truth via debate.
Cameron Lopez
Anyone can believe anything.
Are you saying you can't stand the cognitive dissonance?
Jettison the ideas that contradict God, that's part of conversion anyway.
Are you saying you would still have doubts? Welcome to almost every Christian walk ever. Conviction in your belief (faith) is a gift from God, belief is just choosing to believe.
You can't believe because you believe you can't believe. Unless you mean something else, in which case please elaborate.
Ethan Rodriguez
if they were willing to entertain ideas they would not be atheist for long and would become agnostic if they followed logic and reason for the simple reason
"IF there was an all powerful being
THEN it would be trivial for him to hide from us"
so by default those who remain atheist instead of agnostic are not thinking 100% logically and yet still have some other motive for denying god, of the top of my head I cant really think of a good motive
Jose Young
Ive seen exactly the same thing in Christians.
Its almost like they dont want Vishnu to be real. They are totally closed off to the idea.
Why dont Christians want Vishnu to be real?
Jack Wright
I don't believe the Bible is anymore divinely inspired than the Torah, Koran or Egyptian book of the Dead. I don't believe in divine natures and never had any reason, besides the word of believers to consider it. Even if I was able to "just believe" in God, which should I choose as there as many Gods, and God sects as their are languages and the business of divinity is no less fragmented than any other construct of humanity.
Benjamin Richardson
I don't believe in vampires, why should I be an agnostic vampire believer.
I don't believe in aliens (on Earth), why should I be an "agnostic" alien believer.
I don't believe in a lot of things, there is no reason for me to "have doubts" as nobody in my adult life has even given me a slight hope that God is real.
People of faith shouldn't talk so much about logic.
Aiden Morris
Vishnu is the one real god you fucking prick.
Connor Rodriguez
t. Not Hindu
Hinduism is a polytheistic religion and the concept of "one true god" is foreign to them. Go read your Nanditha Kirshna.
Parker Mitchell
Oh shit you got me.
Maybe Thor is the one true god instead?
Or Zeus?
Samuel Turner
Literally vid related is on the topic you're having an issue with. This might help. If you're really looking for an answer.
Logan Myers
Why, not where does logic even come from? Why are people of faith suddenly penalized for talking about logic? Really i'd say start with C.S Lewis cause these problems have already been talked about people have already been down this road. Im literally reading a modern day version of C.S lewis's problems when he was in his early teens.
Anthony Russell
Faith is about believing in something due to your own conviction rather than based on evidence or proof.
Its a logical fallacy. That doesnt make you a bad person. But you would not be viewed as the expert on logic if you are seen making logical fallacies.
John Rivera
No, at least not in the case of when i actually got into the books and started researching this stuff. So a common myth, is that oh well christianity's just like every other god out there. That there's no difference in the others. But that's just not the case Litterally read mere Christianity, the case for christ, and any well laid out case, and you'll come to find a lot of myth that skeptics tend to lay out are really out of anger and bias is kinda just bs. Another one i found *Oh Christianities responsible for the dark ages, they burned the books and set us back etc. But if you do some research,and actually this is something i had an issue with my history teachers was. On one hand you actually read about what the monks did for preserving both pagan and christian works. But at the same told you're told, but yea they set us back……… There's far issues i've come to find then what most people are setting up. Some people i would say just they don't know what they're talking about, and when i confronted my history teacher on this he got uncomfortable, on the issue just end well you can believe what you want to believe. And logical fallacies again read the books, do the leg work and you'll see there's a lot of weird new age stuff out there.
Adrian Ross
Why are you here then? If you want to believe, believe. If not, take yourself elsewhere. This isn't a "I'm an atheist, debate me" board. We're sick of that and, frankly, if you've ended up here, you've largely gotten tired of talking about it with atheists since they don't seek truth and can never learn.
You said you'd rather believe but can't
I countered your argument and said you could believe
Your counter of "but I don't" is irrelevant. The question is- why don't you choose to believe
This is the only reason (witness) to believe in anything we haven't experienced personally. Do you believe the large hadron collidor exists? You do so on the basis of witnesses and their testimony. Pictures are secondary (there are icons of Jesus) since, without the testimony, pictures are meaningless.
You can choose not to believe the Christian witnesses you're exposed to, but don't pretend you believe anything else on a more certain basis. Even memories are quite maleable.
You stated earlier you wanted to believe. Do you or not? Which is it? If you want to believe, nothing's stopping you. If you don't want to believe, go talk with others that don't want to believe.
Meaningless drivel about how you want to believe but can't, when belief is clearly within everyone's capabilities, is simply demonic.
Andrew Watson
I think we would agree with eachother on the dark ages.
I was really getting at the definition of faith and how its different from knowledge or belief.
Im not the guy you are replying to but Ill give you my answer to this.
I think everyone would like to believe that they and their loved ones dont just rot in the ground once they are dead. My old mum is a faithful churchgoing Christian so if you guys are right then she will get to chill with all her relatives and friends in heaven. I want that to be true because compared to any religion my beliefs are pretty bleak. In Buddhism you might reincarnate as a worm but at least your not in the ground getting eaten by them.
Ryan Bell
They have a god.
"Atheism" is simply Luciferianism.
Angel Gray
I understand that mentality because I had the problem myself. It feels like there's a mental barrier to accepting God, or anything that contradicts mainstream beliefs. It's literally brainwashing, all of upbringing in today's society is, school, uni, media, all has one and the same Jewish agenda.
Ayden Garcia
I think everyone would like to believe that they and their loved ones dont just rot in the ground once they are dead. My old mum is a faithful churchgoing Christian so if you guys are right then she will get to chill with all her relatives and friends in heaven. I want that to be true because compared to any religion my beliefs are pretty bleak. In Buddhism you might reincarnate as a worm but at least your not in the ground getting eaten by them.
Yeah. That's the huge upside to belief- eternal life. Some people think it comes with downsides because they're more concerned with staying who they are than having eternal life.
If you don't believe it, that's fine, but if you want to believe it do - confess with your mouth that he has risen from the dead and live by his commandments. Of course you'll have doubts, most Christians have doubts, but you'll believe.
Jason Ramirez
Satan deceives
Anthony Stewart
Belief in God is the mainstream belief. Even among the nominally religious or secular, many believe in a "God" type of power.
Michael Nguyen
Former fedora here as well, if anything I believe it's basically an expression of the human person's innate sinfulness in hoping that ultimately we won't be held accountable for our actions. Years before I rediscovered faith, I just remember seeing a medieval depiction of hell, and being filled with an existential dread. I spent a lot of that night trying to convince myself that it wasn't real, like on some level I sensed that it must be.
It's worth keeping in mind that the majority view and the mainstream consensus are not the same thing.
Belief in some kind of "God"-lite is the mainstream, like maybe god is "the universe" or "energy" or somesuch other thing with no judgement or moral content. This in and of itself is an atheistic mindset, that even if there is a deistic "God", the universe still "just is", and there is no moral order or accountability. This is all too common even among professed christians, and this mindset and the one I've mentioned are psychically similar, and both are a denial of God's nature.
Cooper Rivera
At 4:09 when he says "they don't realize the stupidity of the new testament and it's doctrine of Genesis" Pretty much have to quit there.. his words are overtly negative and divisive while discussing Christians I would hate to think how he views the rest of the world's people
I have already said I would like to believe and others do so below. It is down-right incorrect to think atheists want to not-believe. (An obvious and common misconception of people who have posted in this thread) The topic of this thread, started by a Christian I assume, asks a question of atheists, you are getting answers, don't be so shocked. Finally I'm shocked that you think "belief" is a matter of choice.
stunning logic..
This is my first post.
Adrian Wood
That's not what luciferianism is. It would've taken less than 10 seconds on google. Here:
People like you are insufferable.
Carson Stewart
I'm not shocked, just dismissive. Also, regardless of OP's post, I was replying to the train of thought that belief is not a choice. I've heard zero refutations or rebuttals of my points, only reassertion that belief is not maleable.
Everyone believes what they want to believe. If you don't understand your own cognitive processes enough to know that this is the case, if you're not consciously aware of your own choice-making mechanisms… all I can say is be a bit more honest with yourself.
All of our outlook on life is a myriad of facts interwoven to reduce cognitive dissonance. You weave together your empirical experience and, the best you can, you make a narrative that explains it. This narrative is your "beliefs" and they are completely changeable.
Now, there are arguments as to why you would choose not to believe. I've heard those to. But the argument being made is that you literally -cannot- believe and that's horse manure.
All that belief requires is choosing an idea and acting as if the idea were true. You can believe and still have doubt- if you say you believe Christ rose from the dead, and act as if you believed it, then you believe it- though you may have massive doubts, you are a Christian. Anyone can do this. Why can't atheists understand this? Do they want complete faith at step 1? Life doesn't work that way.
Jeremiah Rogers
Believing in the Deistic god is utterly meaningless, and the chasm between it and actual, Christian God couldn't be greater. This society is entirely geared towards denigrating Christ, because his murderers want to cover up their crime.
Ayden Diaz
wew
Aiden Garcia
You missed out on a lot. Lurk more, here and other boards as well.
Elijah Rivera
I can't even really get your point. Why don't you explain to me your position instead of posting a graphic that seems to conflict with your supposed message. By they way, I was on 8ch when it was created, so you cut out your reddit level troll bullshit right now.
Aiden Ortiz
Bless your heart but the Lord didn't bless you with brains.
Jacob Roberts
irony folks
Jaxon Scott
wrong link
still as ironic.
Sebastian Gray
I hate witnessing to post-rationals with a passion. I did 6 hours of it yesterday at my university. You can't reason with someone who doesn't beleive in reason.
Most people here claim to believe in subjective truth; making a absolute statement, so thye self contradict each other and it helps open up dialoge.
But witnessing to someone who thinks everything is subjective and the rules of logic and reason are subjective as well; i couldn't budge them.
A reasonable person would say a logical statement cna't be illogical at the same time, but this person believe truth goes from +infinity to -infinity, so it could possibly be the case.
Luckliy someone overheard us and I could witness to them and they beleived in laws of logic.
Blake Nelson
Huh? Where'd you get that from. I didn't say that believing X makes it true. I said that believing X is easily doable for anyone. The only truth is our Lord Jesus Christ.
Austin Williams
Can you believe in Santa?
Robert Martinez
Right on and amen (welcome home)
Matthew Richardson
How about you engage the actual arguments, or are the non existant too?
t. you
Daniel Campbell
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Michael Hughes
Of course I believe in Santa, if you mean Saint Nicolas.
If you mean a magical fairy in a red suit that comes by once per year, I don't believe that -but I could. I could espouse my belief in Santa, prepare a cookies for him, and have the expectation of presents in the morning.
The cognitive dissonance between expected results and being present-less would be hard to bear, unless I just decided I'd been naughty. It would also be hard to deal with the belief socially as no one I know believes in Santa. The reason I don't believe in Santa in that sense is a complicated explanation, though also intuitive. The issue is that God both is and isn't like this.
Similarly, you can believe in God. I didn't say that makes God true. God is true, but that's a completely separate issue to whether you believe in him.
Now, if you're concerned about cognitive dissonance I pointed out regarding the hypothesized belief in Santa, that's a valid concern. It's your misapprehensions about God that create those concerns.
Please explain why believing in God would be constantly challenged by your empirical experience and I will point out one of two things that will probably address them (if they don't, I'll follow up):
1) the cognitive dissonance from a belief in God would be created by the fact that you misunderstand God as a magical wish fairy in the sky instead of the essence of love, power, and righteousness that He is.
2) the cognitive dissonance created by your belief in God would be because you have surrounded yourself by people who do not believe in God and they are constantly battering you with the negative view.
As to the second, if you prefer to have those associates than believe in the promise of eternal life, you're welcome to make that choice but realize the cognitive dissonance is just as easily rid of by ditching your nay-saying friends.
The point I'm making is belief is a choice. How you resolve the cognitive dissonance between your beliefs is another issue entirely. Do you understand?
Elijah Evans
He had a valid hypothetical, though it was stated in a mildly inflammatory way. I think I addressed it here (though, really, it's just the same argument I posted previously with more examples since, for some reason, I think this guy is having trouble comprehending it)
Owen Jackson
as the essence of love, power, and righteousness.
or
That angry God found all over the old testement.
Cameron Roberts
Yeah, ironic.
Benjamin Stewart
I'm sorry did you have a point pertinent to the discussion or are you just trying to post inflammatory BS?
If you want to see the reconciliation of your misunderstanding about the old and new covenant, go read some of the two millenia of theology that have already rationally dealt with your arguments long, long, ago to the satisfaction of millions. If you can't be bothered actually reading the theology, I can't be bothered arguing it with you.
We were discussing your proposed point that belief is literally impossible, my blowing you the f out, and you still being unable to post a refutation or rebuttal that is on point.