What does the Easter Bunny have to do with Christ's resurrection?

Association of the Easter Bunny with Eostre. The strongest evidence for such a thing is a bald supposition by one of the Brothers Grimm and a couple of legends about Eostre turning a bird into a rabbit invented by some modern writers.

Pliny wrote a lot of weird things in his natural history. For instance he wrote down one claim that when bears are born the cubs are a kind of amorphous goo that has to be licked into shape by their mothers.

Because that's idiotic to the extreme.
A germanic version of a christian holiday can't be about a sumerian goddess(which isn't even a sun deity).

That's intentional, to differentiate ourselves from judaism, and not mix the holidays up.
Seriously, this was like the first doctrinal conflict in apostolic Christianity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_controversy

That is explictly christian.

Taken from Mesopotamian christians.
See

It's a pastry, for crying out loud.
Most christian countries have a variant.

An american tradition born out of lack of refrigeration to keep meat fresh until Easter.

Well, in EO, our services are in the middle of the day, and at midnight. What now?

They are, and the author is a historically ignorant buffoon.

its roman paganism, feels good to be monotheist

If i remeber correctly easter is another spelling of the babalonian fertility goddess ishtar, and bunnies were her holy animal, a symbol of fertility. same as the hot crossed buns are a representative of talamund another babalonian false god. In the end it comes down to pagan traditions that have infiltrated the church, the same as Christmas trees

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You are no different than the people who claim Jesus means Hail Zeus

Pliny was pretty much the Buzzfeed of his era sadly.

Here's an Atheist talking about the whole pagan copy-cat theory of Easter: historyforatheists.com/2017/04/easter-ishtar-eostre-and-eggs/

But I'll summarise the high-points for you:

Every other language in the world (except possibly German) calls Easter some variant either of the Hebrew word for Passover, Pesach, or of their own languages word for resurrection. So this argument basically holds that somehow the name skipped thousands of miles and hundreds of years before turning back up in England. Does that really seem reasonable to you? Really?

This is still iffy, but a little more reasonable, but the link would still only be the name, and we know nothing about the alleged Eostre's worship. If I said I was a June baby that wouldn't indicate any link between me and the Roman goddess Juno either.

Anyone who's ever kept both Lent and chickens knows why eggs are a traditional Easter treat. (Or chocolate for that matter)

It's hardly surprising that an animal commonly associated with Spring would also get to be associated with the main Church festival of Spring. Though the modern version is heavily commercialised/secularised.

lel I can see why someone might think that.

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Easter is named after the old English month Eostremonath, which is when Easter took place. A single 9th century monk posited that it was named after an Anglo fertility goddess, and that's the ONLY source we have on the existence of this deity. As far as we can tell, it's just a month name.

Hares came out of their holes in the spring, so they're associated with Easter.

Eggs were stockpiled during Lent, since Catholics didn't eat them, but hens still laid them. On Easter, when Lent ended, Catholics would break the 'no animal products' fast by pigging out on the stockpiled eggs.

It also has nothing to do with Ishtar, which is the single most retarded holiday origin theory I've ever heard. It's called Paschal or some variation thereof in every single region between Babylon and England, and Ishtar worship died out 1000 years before the birth of Christ.

Christian holidays aren't converted pagan holidays. The origin of all of these is a pamphlet written by a bitter American Protestant trying to encourage his congregation to stop celebrating 'Catholic' holidays.

link me up

Have some pasta.

Christmas as it is celebrated in the west is the pagan holiday of "Yule" which Christians "adopted", to put it lightly, when it spread through Europe.
Nothing in Christmas is related to jesus or semitism.
Red and white is blood on the snow, because pagans used to hang up animal sacrifices to trees.
Pine tree is an evergreen, evergreens stay green even in the darkest, longest and coldest winter. Putting one up is a symbol of life persevering.
Lights on the tree is a symbol for the rays of sun, twinkling through the gaps in the pine needles on the next morning after the longest night of the year (solstice).
Christmas ornaments (the round balls) are either symbols for animal sacrifice again, if they are red baubles, or the sun, if they are golden. Green for life, again.
A star on top of the tree (although christianity substituted that with an angel) symbolizes the duty of humans to strive toward enlightenment.
(In pagan folklore, the first humans were trees in which Odin breathed life, therefore the "christmas" tree also represents us humans.)
Mistletoe was used by Loki to kill Baldur, Freyas son. Baldur was said to be immortal because "every poisonous plant, every animal, every weapon in the world swore to never harm Baldur.
The mistletoe was the only plant to not swear to never harm Baldur. Loki tricked Hodr, Baldurs blind brother to stab him with a spear tipped with mistletoe (mistletoe is poisonous).
This killed the otherwise invulnerable god and Freya swore that mistoletoe shall never be used as a weapon again, dispensing kisses to whoever near it, instead.
The yule log (which some Christians still use) in the fireplace is an offering to the sun, the heat, the fire was said to strengthen the sun as it was the weakest on solstice (the longest night of the year).
By giving the sun strength, it would rise again in the morning, reborn again, dispelling the night and growing stronger throughout the year henceforth (until the next winter).

Living in the cold north of Europe, the sun was very important, and yule was a celebration for it.

Christianity came later, via Greece and spread over the lands. However, since paganism was around for thousands of years before that, they had trouble converting everyone, no matter how many people the Christians killed, no matter how many they tortured, no matter how many pagan temples they desecrated and built churches upon.
So, they had to adopt Pagan aspects for people to accept it.

Even "Santa Claus" is pagan. Eight reindeer? That's no coincidence. Odins horse, sleipnir has eight legs.
Santa is Odin disguised as a shaman. He goes into the chimneys to leave toys shaped like animals, usually reindeer, to appease the spirits of the animals which the humans hunted and killed through the year, and reminded people to keep a respectful relationship with the animals.
Never to kill them needlessly and only ever taking natural resources, like their bones, their hide, their flesh. Never to trap their spirits or corrupt them.

And so forth. Western Christmas is Yule, Yule is a sun celebration, nothing of it, except putting a manger in some nativity scene, has anything to do with christianity or jesus. At all.

This is some Wiccan-tier schizo fanfiction.

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I know, it's the mighty apple bearing pine tree of Bethlehem etc.

Also, how is the weather in America?
Is there enough moisture in the air to pick up the slack of your lost foreskin?

not everything is the jews faggot

Capitalism demands that once cute chocolate eggs for the kids at Easter becomes even bigger than religion, there is no money to be made in Jesus and thr Resurrection, this is what they're thinking. It's just athiest Capitalists.

Look, everything you posted is Zeitgeist-tier bullshit. Kill the memory of the pagan gods by vandalizing their traditions, it's that simple.
As for the star on the tree symbolizing enlightenment, or the colors of the ornaments, post real sources. It reeks of "we wuz pagans and sheit".

Absolutely retarded, as expected from an American.

I'm a real source living in a real European country with real living traditions.
As usual, have dancing Mother Hulda, still remembered and venerated and older than Thor and Woden himself.

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Absolutely retarded, as expected from a Neopagan.
Admit it, everything you posted is made up. There are no surviving records of Pagan traditions outside what was written down by Christian monks.
I will repeat myself: As for the star on the tree symbolizing enlightenment, or the colors of the ornaments, post real sources.

Let's do it from another angle, to humor you.

How were they able to write it down in the late 1000s?
Like the poetic edda (which is just one thing for a small scope of people, not the entire of Europe) from around 1643 if there were no surviving pagan things?

Again, it was written down after the Christianization of Europe. The actual religious practices, however, outside of sources in the Church are completely unknown.
Now stop dodging the question, you fork-tongued little coward. SOURCES. NOW.

How were they able to write that down? Where did they get these things from?

Written down originally by monks taking down oral traditions, and those are the only surviving sources.
Now, address your assertions of all of these "pagan" traditions, with no archeological or historical sources.

Why would they do that? And why would these oral traditions stop?
After all, they survived beyond the alleged Christianization of Europe, since you said that they only wrote it down afterwards.

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If we suppose that oral traditions are not real sources.
Since you are and would reject all of my claims based on them being "oral" (even though there are all the observed customs and everything, but this is just to heal your damaged perception of reality and thinking)

Read a book.
Oral traditions may survive AFTER people stop believing in them entirely.
Now post the source for "pagan" tree decorations, and "pagan" Easter that aren't a Zeitgeist asspull.

Why would heathen oral beliefs, which are spiritual in nature, survive in the light of a full Christianization and the abandonment of said belief?
Unless you are wrong and they never stopped believing, of course.

Anyway, it is how it is in Europe.
It's as simple as that. If my people didn't keep this truth alive then I wouldn't be able to talk about it today.
It's as simple as that.

Just like Pagan gods as weekdays and co, just like people still smashing Earthware before the day of marriage, etc.
My sources are, again, actually living in Europe and living in reality.

(I just have to add this because my Götter (plural) speise is about ready and that's more fun than arguing with Americans about European folklore, customs and beliefs)

Oh, and P.S.:
just in the unlikely case this unstuck some of your thought:
"paganism" is not like Christianity despite the latter having so many denominations because it went through pagan Europe and got amended many times based on that.

If you don't think any of it is legit because there is no unifying gospel or whatever.
That's cool, the slavs will still do their stuff, the Germans their, the vikangz their stuff, and so forth.
It has literally zero bearing on reality what we discuss here, aside from you hopefully becoming more sensible in your thought processes.

I thought that the Red stands for a woman's menstrual blood, and the White of snow stands for semen?

youtu.be/VUDT1L2Iy9I?t=26m30s

Instances of violent conversions were the exception. The overall conversion of Pagan Europe was quite peaceful and flowed from the conversion of the chieftains and kings on down through the people.

Now you're really making stuff up. The Northern Europeans weren't a bunch of stereotypical Hippie Native Americans, and had a concept of Innagard vs Utengard in reference to nature and other cultures: Inner gates/grounds/land vs the Outer/Outside. The tamed and civilized vs the untamed wild land of the spirits and the giants. They viewed wild nature with a sense of distrust and even outright hostility in comparison to their civilizations. The Greenland colonies literally failed partially due to environmental resource overexploitation on the part of the Vikings. The "We are one with Nature" ethos endemic to modern NeoPaganism is a product of New Age/Mystery Religion/Modern Environmentalist influence.

Also, this is completely out of character for Odin. He was not a warm and fuzzy Captain Planet teaching environmental ecological lessons. He was a god of savage warrior gangs (berzerkers) and of kings and royalty and bloody conflict (and a two faced double crossing one at that.)

"B-But the berzerkers went out into the woods and wore animal skins and were totally one with nature!"

They exposed themselves to the wild Outside (which Odin and earlier, your beloved Hulda represented) that was nature and paid the price. Going into rages that killed friend as well as foe; and this is when they were at least useful during war time. During peace time, they were absolutely despised by civilized society at large, due to their propensity to start trouble and challenge men into duels, murder them and take their family and property. There were routine purges of them, and it is not a coincidence that they were often the villains of Sagas.

Speaking of which. You might wanna read some of them Sagas sometime. Might learn that your Pagan ancestors weren't so cute and cuddly as you think they are.

Do you also think that the countless folktales of individuals going out into the wild woods and either meeting a horrible fate at the hands of a supernatural entity, or at best, coming out the better through a mixture of spiritual help and luck is a coincidence? Nature wasn't a beautiful harmonious place to frolliick through, but a terrifying landscape of the unknown to be treaded with great guardedness, if at all.

Ah yes the old: "People still knock on wood, and are afraid of black cats and hold their breath at grave sites and try not to break mirrors nor go under ladders! PAGANISM HAS WON! WE SURVIVED!" argument. I used to fall back on this argument myself whenever confronted with the ugly truth of how throughly Christianity conquered Paganism without barely firing a shot. Yes, we did take some of your rituals for ourselves. We took your lunch money and are having a grand old time spending it. Your argument is essentially "They may have beaten us up and taken our lunch money, BUT LOOK! They're SPENDING our lunch money! WE WON!"

It might as well be called "The Wimp Lo Argument":

youtu.be/d696t3yALAY

Neopagans: "We are bleeding; making US the victor!"

You know, for a so-called "TRUE EUROPEAN PAGAN LIVING IN TRUE PAGAN EUROPE" You espouse a lot of Wiccan-esque New Age idioms that I would expect from a stereotypical American Neo Pagan. (Right down to the prideful "I'm so much better than the typical smelly American!)

Since you refuse to address my specific question, I will do it.
Christmas trees have nothing to do with Odin or Thor. The tradition of the Christmas tree is purely Protestant in origin. Germanic and Norse pagans did not cut down whole trees and drag them into their houses, they had sacred OAKS that remained outdoors. Placing a star at the top began with Protestants, there are no records of pagans ever doing this. The same goes for the ornaments; there are no records, oral or written, of pagans hanging colored glass spheres on their sacred oaks. In fact, the production of glass baubles for decorating Christmas trees began long after the origin of the Protestant tradition in 1536, which was LONG after all Germanic pagans had been wiped out.
I'm not the one with the faulty thought process, you're the one who is ignoring historical fact and spreading misinformation.

They are not wiped out.
They're as wiped out as dinosaurs are wiped out in the form of birds, only not really because they're still around.
I don't think they are

Maybe for the swedes or something.

It's just you interpreting things you want to interpret.
While in reality you seriously have no idea about anything.

Case in point, picture.
Since you know so much about Germanic stuff, tell me something about it.
I left the name of the tree in there so you can translate it if you want.
By the way, this is another point in how reality does not change no matter what we are discussing here.

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A hint: Great significance is behind it, not just "lol I knock on wood" even though that too is in direct conflict with "heathens throwing out these things for 'the total truth that is Christianity".
Again, you just saying "Lol that doesn't matter", not so ironically, is the thing that does not matter.
But yeah, I'll be here waiting for your superior knowledge about the things I literally live in, in the current year and all the years before it.

Oh, right, by the way, they still have these, of course.
Vandalizing these holy trees could have you gotten "shariad" even well in the 1500s and your hand might have gotten chopped off. Someting I bet you knew as well.

Regarding the "lul they didn't drag trees inside to decorate them".
Yeah no kidding, because they usually had them nearby.
Hence the symbolism.
The candles being the twinkling of the sunrays through the evergreen needles after the longest night of the year.
The red baubles being symbols of blood sacrifice nailed to trees. (nothing cuddly about that).
The golden baubles being sun icons, etc.

It makes no sense to "lol randomly create such things" even in the context of protestantism.
Why would they even do that?
Do you think people randomly pull shit like that out of thin air for no reason?
Everything has a reason.
What in protestantism would animate a person to create this particular custom in this particular way at this particular time, etc. It makes no sense.
No really, it doesn't. Putting red baubles on pine tree makes no sense, combinding pine trees with Jesus makes no sense, etc.

You get the idea (or not)

Martin Luther began the tradition of placing candles on Christmas trees.
Again, these began after the Protestant tradition. They are not pagan. Pagans never made glass spheres to hang on trees. You can repeat yourself all you want, but the fact remains that tree ornaments were first made by European Christians.
No kidding, it's because glass-blowers needed to sell merchandise.
Judging by your rambling posts, the reason seems to be mental illness.

Unless it was evil pagans bringing back symbols of blood sacrifice in the form of red baubles, which they, when they were still practicing it in a non "everyone around me will start bitching again" Christian environment.

Why would a pagan who openly practices Yul by nailing actual carcasses as a blood offering to an evergreen NEED the symbolic baubles for that?
They wouldn't.

They only required the baubles when that wasn't kosher to do in society anymore.

And guess what, stars usually also don't shine indoors, they do outdoors though.
So yeah it's not too surprising that they put the star above the pines too.

Also, it's a star, not a comet or a falling star. There's falling star decorations with lights you can put on a windowsill, yes, but putting them on top of the tree, well I have never seen it.
Not saying people don't do that, I mean they impale angels on there, too, but it's usually a star.

And there's nothing against adding a bit of tinsel to the star to make it a "bible star" either.
Etc, all ofthis is the way it is for reasons, really.
No, seriously. Really. I know you don't know any better because you don't live here (it is impossible that you do. Not even kidding.) but it is how it is.

To hopefully ameliorate your worries about things.
I am compiling a huge list of things I will be able to vomit at y'all eventually.

See above.

Why red?
Apples?
On a pine tree?
Etc.

Why red? Did the Coca Cola Santa go back in time and suggest that red is a good color for Christian Christmas baubles?

Is it the blood of Christ? There's nothing in the Bible to even suggest honoring Christ by hanging up his blood droplets on evergreen needle trees.

But I guess people just …did this…to pay the Christian bauble merchants.

Remember we are talking about a deeply meaningful Christian tradition here, that allegedly is all about the birth of Jesus and stuff.

And Protestants, who for some reason started hanging up red baubles on trees for that.
For reasons …that make perfect sense.
They were PROTESTANTS after all, duh!
They always do that.

Now I'm concerned about you. Are you OK?

By the way, the first baubles were actually shaped like nuts and berries.
I don't know why you didn't bring that up though, probably because you know jack diddly.
Something Yul also used, by the way. Just like ham, but I guess there's a Christian explanation for that too even though only pagan Europe really did all this for some reason.

Regardless, the theme has always been symbolic of (human) life persevering even in the darkest, etc.
Light and the sun, sacrifice (either bloody or just giving gifts) burning logs, etc.
But whatever.

Yeah, I'm fine.
By the way did you ever find the meaning of the linden tree?
I'll tell you some of it.
Many words in the German language are related to this tree, and pretty much all of them related to making things less bad, healing, etc.
"Lindern" "lindes urteil" because people used to judge people under Linden trees for "mild" cases (it's also connected to feminity) and harsher cases under Ash and Oak trees.

Neat, huh? Even in todays language it's all still used when there's nothing against replacing these words for something Christ related.
But I suppose we just can't stop "perverting" pagan stuff, as you initially proposed, lol.

Note: this was still done wayyyyyy WAYYYYYY after Christian "conquest".
But it's cool.
It's just as cool like Barbarossa, the Raven King (who was a Christian Crusader but always fought with the pope and had his body prepared the "German way" via boiling the flesh off the skeleton (for sanitary purposes) and to be buried at home instead of "the holy land".)
Oh, he also will come back from the dead, in the time of the most dire need.
Really Christian fella, that guy.

Like most Crusaders were, after all, they were real Christians and Christianity conquered Europe, so he had to be a 100% Bible kosher guy.
Here, check out his monument and art.

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Wow look at that, nothing to do with animal sacrifices nailed to trees.
And why are you even talking about Linden trees? Last I checked, Christmas decorations typically aren't basswood, not are people judged under them.

Wow, you found out about the nuts and berries.
Did a Protestant tell you that?
Ahhh, but yeah, you're the man. You got it all figured out.

Still nothing to do with blood sacrifices.
Anyway, as for Barbarossa: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
It's like you're not even trying.

name?

*Sigh* "The Wimp Lo Argument" is really all you have, isn't it?

Such security and confidence!

Yes. I get it. "Metagenetics" and all that. Schubert mentioned it in a song cycle. Wagner made the Ring Cycle. Thor and Loki are mentioned in comics. Days of the weeks are named after gods. Some holidays have left over pagan customs. Books about Germanic mythology (based on Christian research and records) and fantasy novels based on the characters are published, and people engage in habitual pagan superstitions to this day.

In your eyes it's a victory. People are doing it out of an urge born of "metageneics" or are subconsciously pining for their pagan past. Are "birds rather than dinosaurs" as you put it. Yes. I get it. It's exactly as I observed earlier. You are saying nothing new or innovative or mind-blowing.

Here's the rub though: you aren't taking the concept of worldview into account.

How many people who knock on wood, know (or even care) about the actually original context and meaning?

How many people actually view themselves as being a part of a singular organic family unit to where they take actual responsibility for the actions of another family member (whether showing up with them to court as a fellow defendant, or taking revenge on a non-offending non-family member as part of a proper bood feud), rather than view themselves as an individual child of God, responsible only for themselves?

How many people actually view Valhalla as the mass burial grounds of the dead in war or the various "Nine Worlds" as being in the context of their local immediate community, rather than as separate literal spiritual realms (a product of Christian influence.)

How many modern
Pagans"/"Asatruars"/"Heathens" etc. believe that when they die, that they go into the next realm to be with or be rejected by their family and ancestors based on the deeds in their life and continue to "live" in the land/mountain/hill they are buried, to be prayed and offered to by family members, rather than believing they are going to Valhalla, or to one of the halls of their personal favorite god (directly influenced by the concept of the Christian personal relationship with Jesus), or that the "gods" are nothing more than Jungian archetypes, or symbols of nature, or deified ancestors, or egregores that were prayed into existence because the people believed hard enough?

How many people in your Hulda video you love to repost, are engaging in that ritual for reasons beyond habit and tradition for tradition's sake?

You've made multiple hysterical posts about the color red in Christmas ornaments. What if I told that even if, by chance, they had some sort of context that was originally pagan, it doesn't matter anymore, because most people don't know and/or don't care?

Paganism, isn't trees, or evergreens, or baubles, or even stories about gods and goddesses, or tradition, or superstitious habits. It's "WORLDVIEW." It's living and believing.

Without worldview, all the stories, traditions, references and rituals are nothing more than shadows and fairytales that people derive entertainment and amusement from.

What the fuck is a lagomorph?

That's not true, though.
Take the slavs for example.

Idon't know why this is called "revival" (maybe for Poles cause Russians have had "double faith" since forever) because, it has been with them since throughout the "Christianization".

Again "double faith" has been a thing for aages.

As for your
Thing.

Firstly, I cannot give you exact numbers on any of these, asking me to do that is ridiculous, but every one of them remains firmfly incompatible with Christian conquest and the purge of all "superstions" and the loss of "all customs"
Enough to keep it alive, obviously.

In Germany this seems to be tied to more rural areas, it's pretty high here.

We're not all vikangz, damnit.

Pagans"/"Asatruars"/"Heathens" etc. believe that when they die, that they go into the next realm to be with or be rejected by their family and ancestors based on the deeds in their life and continue to "live" in the land/mountain/hill they are buried, to be prayed and offered to by family members, rather than believing they are going to Valhalla, or to one of the halls of their personal favorite god (directly influenced by the concept of the Christian personal relationship with Jesus), or that the "gods" are nothing more than Jungian archetypes, or symbols of nature, or deified ancestors, or egregores that were prayed into existence because the people believed hard enough?
I have no idea.
How many Christians believe in superior Christian philosophies and teachings and would gladly remain Christian even if there was no heaven to go to in the afterlife?
Because I have the opinion that Christians do not care and merely want their soul back, in Heaven.

Also, why do you think that belief can be reduced to a magic formula that is uttered a bit like this:" I accept Jesus Christ as my savior!"
A magic incantation is not faith, by the way.
Nor is having a billion books explain everything about it. That's called instruction.
But that's just a sidenote.

Probably all of them. Prancing around a conquered land full of pious Christians with evil devil stuff can only be done by the most hardcore of believers.

I would tell you that your scope is incredibly narrow and that I know for sure that there are a lot of Europeans lamenting the loss of many clear roots of traditions and beliefs, because it's still important to them.

Also, it's pretty neat how easily you dismiss anything as "wimp lo" stuff.

Wooden ships have gone out of production, more or less, and I'm speaking SHIPs here, not a little fishing boat.
Up until very recently shipwrights would still use ash wood in ships because it was directly connected to water, it's a holy water tree.

And you know what else?
I'll turn your argument around on you and it will make perfect sense in my hands:
Even if all of it were bullshit. They still believed it and therefore still ACTED by putting ash wood into ships.

That's the crux.
You can laugh all you want, again, it changes nothing in reality.
But belief is belief is belief, and if we are talking faith in general here.
Having less to go on and still believing is more faith as having a gorillion books on it and STILL fracturing into umpteenth denominations even though it should all be a UNIFYING truth.

But yeah. Whatever, right?

You're still beating on the dead horse of confusing worldviewless habit with "faith."

Your Ash wood example is no different than any other superstition that I mentioned.

Hulda festivals and other similar festivals have been held in Alpine areas as tourist attractions forever. Not as sincere religious ritual.

Your counter argument is essentially: "Habits that are shadows of a once living worldview are a superior faith to an extensively well documented and widely practiced and believed in faith." Which is just desperate and insane.

So what? Just based on the common sense law of averages the amount of Christians in the world in comparison to the fringe group of pagans, such as in your video, dictates that there are still a vast majority of Christians who have real faith than the minuscule minority of pagans or "pagans of habit" in the world.

Now you're just repeating the Wimp Lo argument with added mental gymnastics.

It's getting pathetic at this point.

Like a rodent, but with an extra set of incisors.

Rabbits, hares and pikas

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