The Hungarian department of defense just signed a deal about the purchase of 50 Leopard 2 A7, 12 A4 tanks and 24 Pz 2000 SPG's. Airbus is about to establish a helicopter assembly plant in Eastern Hungary, meaning that Hungary will obtain state of the art military helicopters. The government also announced its intention to restart domestic armament production, starting with license-building Czech CZ Bren 2's.
Discuss. How would Zig Forums fix the Hungarian military?
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Hungary stronk?
God I can't wait for Golden Dawn.
Keep it up hungarybros. Death to Romania and Bulgarians.
Soon.
Please, not the Bulgarians… By Zeus, have mercy.
Great, another suckers that bought into Leopard meme
should have bough Leclerc's
You guys have a huge fleet of Leopards if I'm not mistaken. What's bad about them?
Leclercs are superior for invading foreign lands due to all-around protection against ATGMs. Leopards are better for defense due to superior frontal armor.
Leopards, just like every other modern MBT (with the exception of the Leclerc), have paper-thin side hull and turret armor. Shitty half a century old RPGs and ATGMs can penetrate them like butter.
Correct
Outdated, costly maintenance, our defensive capabilities depend on germany, pricey, fragile electronics
Dont get too uppity little turkling
Greater Romania soon
You bought a Western MBT rather than taking something that works and making it your own.
So who is the lucky NATO country that can't afford their vehicle fleet upkeep and is selling them to give gibs to rapefugee for an extra year like a crackwhore gives blowjob for her next fix?
You won't make me believe they're new.
Protip: if you takes NATO existing tanks to give them to another NATO country (and retiring three times as many WARPACT tanks for them) you aren't building ANYTHING.
Also I assume the main reason for this is the hungarians tanks have actually been quietly sold away and someone went "hey where are our 200 1980's tanks?".
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When will you lads genocide Kosovo? The faggots are acting tough lately.
Isn't it obvious?
When are you boylovers going to man up and retake Constantinople?
When Golden Dawn is elected, so breddy soon
It wasn't "quietly". Our previous government donated a load of T-72's to Iraq. Yes, it was a stupid thing to do. The rest of our pre-existing obsolete tank fleet is in storage, was scrapped and so forth.
Eloquently put. At any rate, the Leclerc isn't really being exported, how come?
Get Magyar-user to design small arms for them.
Keep him in a cage and tell him you will trade anime episodes for his designs.
Use these designs to rebuild the golden horde.
We actually did both
Modernized T-72 into PT-91 "Twardy" and bought western tanks, we got one of the biggest tank arsenals in europe, let alone hundredths of BMP-1
Damn gayreeks are really dumb, must be all those ottoman genes
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The Leclerc are a pricey escort, only arab princes can fit the bill.
UAE participation in Yemen relaunched export prospect especially with KSA as their leo and M1 were blowing up like bootlegged T-72 but with the fusion KMW/Nexter it's extremely unlikely it will even be proposed anymore by the new company and will go to get buried with all the cool feats of french engineering.
This is good, Magyar-bros. I hope you rediscover your inner Mongol and BTFO the kikes, Slavniggers and shitskins, for Tengri and Notre Mère L'Europe.
I work with a Hungarian guy, he decided he was mongol descended and got really into Throat singing
That's funny, because they're not really Mongolian, but Finno-Uralic. It would be more accurate for him to sing a polka or two.
Frigging what? By that token Brits are niggers because some Jamaicans use a bastardized version of their tongue.
Hungarians are the Avars who Serbs managed to avoid killing when they came down the Danube basin. Learn you a book.
more slavshit tbh, upgrade old t72s.
The Leclerc is the most expensive tank there is at around 9.3 million each. The countries that can even afford it usually have their own design.
Remove the turrets and turn them into assault guns with a 120mm cannon. Or replace the cannon with the Russian 57mm auto-cannon or the 76.2mm naval gun on the Rooikat to shred anything below a MBT.
Are you counting all of the multimilion dollar Abrams upgrades and refits? GLDS overhaul cost almost 3 million by itself, and that's one of maybe two dozen refits.
Given the starting cost of $6 million, sunk cost per hull is probably in the $20 million range by now.
Funding. That's what all post-soviets lack right now. Hell, that's what most European armies in general lack.
We're trying to build up our own military too. This year's budget is slightly higher than that of last year. We're in process of getting new rifles by 2021 with a selection of AR15 looking rifles between Lewis Machine and Tool, Sig and H&K. Vid related. We bought 120 Javelin launchers and 350 missiles in 2015, we bought 44 CV90s back in 2015 and now we just signed a contract to buy 12 K9 Thunders with potentially 12 more that arrive by 2020. Our budget is 2,1% of our GDP, as is the NATO """requirement""" but due to our small economy that is only 585 million euros.
Funding is an issue when two superpowers slug it out over a period of decades. I doubt Hungary will fight that kind of war.
They need lots of sedan sized armored vehicles that don't explode when hit (use self-contained ammo). They can buy 1500 Panhard Crabs for the price of their "armament".
Can you imagine being some country trying to defend against 1000 panhard crabs? Even Germany. Imagine hearing that enemy vehicles destroyed border posts hours after they are 100km deep into your country - using every civilian road to drive around and blow up critical government infrastructure.
Spergook tier.
Smarter men than you have thought about this exact same thing, and then they realized it was fucking retarded. Maybe your strategy would work if this was China, you have 8,000,000 chinamen to work with and you are totally content with having 10x the casualties as if it was the Korean war.
This could actually work. Come to think of it, we could even make something like this. We did armoured cars before, we can do it again. The Csaba and the FUG were pretty decent armoured cars.
Behold, the 40M Csaba Armoured Car. The commies were seriously considering restarting its production in the late forties. The basic shape requires very little modification; a Csaba built with composite armour, a strong engine and modern weaponry would be something fun.
The Challenger is a marvellous piece of engineering, but a bit too rich for our blood, alas. Could the tea maker be replaced with something that makes pálinka?
Hungary, you are needed in the QTDDTOT.
Fugging with children :D:D:D
Pretty sure the Challenger II's armor is outdated and not capable of stopping APFSDS rounds anymore.
I really hope you get STRONK soon magyarbros.
You and other Eastern Europeans are our only Hope.
Can I get a szósz on this, fellow magyar?
A pack of EBRC would go through cold war tanks like a knife through butter.
So would a cheap fire and forget ATGM. Cold war tanks are practically just glass HE cannons at this point, being able to destroy them nowadays is not much of a challenge.
MBT:
Armored vehicles:
I understand the concept of "dude armor doesn't matter that much anyway", but to completely replace heavily-armored MBTs with
Why doesn't Greece replace all of its military equipment with crop dusters and fuck huge tins of fly spray?
Update. Hungary is also interested in buying Pumas.
Because of faggots going
Plus getting (((NATO))) to intervene or put (((sanctions))).
Fucking clownworld. Why couldn't we have a fun clownworld with imageboard autism powering governments and military? Instead we get this shitty jewish clownworld.
I don't see why not, it'd take a little longer for the finished product to come out - but whatever works.
The CR2 is still the best defended tank on the planet, especially after the streetfighter upgrade slapped the ERA and bar armour on it; the tests of the baseline Dorchester armour would suggest that you're wrong too. While the latest upgrade, the proposed 'Black Knight' program I know you're all going to make nigger jokes - but look up Edward of Woodstock, and James Stewart The Black Knight of Lorn before you do would focus on sensors/command/targeting a lot more than armour there doesn't seem to be much of a need to improve the armour beyond what's already there until someone starts deploying hyper-velocity LOSAT missiles in significant numbers.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
YOU WILL BUY CV90'S LIKE A GOOD LITTLE GOYBOY
CV90 BEST 90 AND CV BITCH
Because between Zig Forums, /r9k/ and Zig Forums, we'd be living in a bombed out post-apocalyptic wasteland, nobody would be having children and most of the survivors would be retarded boomers.
Nice. Those things are fucking brutal. I am friends with a gunner, and he said that he can push a button to mark multiple moving infantry targets, and the cannon will aim and engage automatically.
Eh. Never got hands on experience with it. Know a couple guys who did, and they like some of the features but dislike having to carry around the pack and batteries all the time. It's more about the integration of radios for every soldier than the cameras, computers or data stuff. They love the maps though.
Should get some T-90 tanks instead, tbh, especially considering Hungary already has T-72s, which are similar to T-90s and would thus be easier to get used to for the crew + probably can use some of the same parts.
Most IFV are immune to 20mm and can take a decent amount of 30mm. Hence the 30 tons…
Why do you think all the new ones have 40, 45 and 57mm guns? 20/25/30 just isn't cutting it anymore, it will work on APCs but if you plan to go toe to toe with an IFV you need a bigger gun. and a couple of burst of 40/45/57mm will go trough a MBT, which is something you can do with modern turrets and guns. You have the accuracy and fire rate to shear off the armor with repeated hits if you're close enough.
If you're not close enough you have ATGM and you outrange non-russian army tanks, the combo of both is lethal.
Varies. CV90 is said to be capable of resisting 30mm APFSDS, and it is a
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It would. Side, back and turret armour is still not indestructible. Turret armour especially is very vulnerable. A modern ATGM basically has at 100% guarantee for a firepower kill with the potential of a crew kill, I don't see how a 5 round burst of 35-45mm APFSDS wouldn't cause a firepower kill and hence leave it very susceptible to a mobility kill if the enemy cannot instantly retreat.
even shitty 50mm WWII anti-tank guns can penetrate modern MBTs from the sides. What I'm saying is that you can't penetrate their front.
A CTA 40mm APFSDS goes through 140mm RHA at 1500m.
A 5 seconds burst (15 rounds) will rip anything to shreds even if not all rounds hits in the same place a few will and it will be enough.
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No shit. That's why no one is going to face a tank in an open field from the front, that's suicide if you don't have immense luck. What's your point here anyway? The Frenchie said that you can penetrate MBTs with a IFV autocannon, you implied that such a thing isn't possible, I said that it is and now you backpedal and say that even old gear can. Try not being a shitposter for once, most of the greeks I've seen here are a fucking disgrace to their country.
Nigger I never claimed you can't kill an MBT from the sides, it was you who assumed that. Frenchie said you can penetrate a tank with just a burst of 57mm APFSDS - which I didn't believe (I assumed he meant frontally). Then you show up out of nowhere like a faggot and talk about how you can penetrate the sides of the tank.
Imagine how much of a turbofaggot you have to be to disagree with our superior opinions
I am now interested. What's the best IFV when it comes to anti-tank capabilities out there?
This just in. Update. This is getting serious.
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Hungary buys SAMOC from Airbus, who will also establish a helicopter assembly plant in Eastern Hungary.
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Hungary buys 16 Airbus choppers because it's Christmas.
That's fucking dumb of you.
Depends. By pure main cannon killing power, probably the CV90120-T but the lines between light tank and IFV are blurry and whichever you consider it is up to you. A lot of modern IFVs have ATGMs as a side armament and they get firepower kills and potential crew kills on MBTs more reliably than any main cannon from any angle.
I need constant internet access to steal ideas read about guns, so your arrangement wouldn't work.
You seem to forget that this is a deal made by Fidesz, an alliance of incompetent and malicious idiots. I'm sure they wanted to buy German gear as a favour to Germany, so that they keep protecting their ass in the EU. And the equipment was choosen by idiots who don't even know which side of a gun should be pointed at the enemy, but they bought the marketing hook, line and sinker.
Even a BMP-1 is a beast if you just bolt some modern ATGMs to it. Vid related. The whole point there is that MBTs are designed to carry a huge AT gun when huge AT guns are obsolete.
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I'LL BITE YOUR LEGS OFF
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But why did the Defense Force ordered 12 A4 along with the 50 2A7s? Isnt A4 less advanced than A7?
The A7 is essentially as shitty as the A4. It just has extra addon spaced armor and some meme electronics
and the A7 is essentially the exact same thing as an A6
It gets better.
It's not Leopard 2A7's. It's Leopard 2A7+'s. Oh shit.
There's no difference between an A7 and an A7+ user. It is the same tankk. A better choice would be to either buy Leclers or Russian tanks
Russians and Ukrainians are not trustworthy business partners when it comes to armaments. The Leclerc might be a decent choice, but it's no longer produced. And expensive.
Sorry but you are extremely naive in this. Its not looking that great if you see the actual situation around you
then make your own tanks famalam. I wish we could make our own too. Depending on foreign nations for weapons is true cuckery and unfortunately we too are a victim of it.
We used to. :(
Let a man with almost no Hope dream
please
But wouldnt NATO bigboss USA go mad if we would buy anything from a non-NATO country?
If Iraq can do it why can't other poor shitholes?
That's another thing. Our leadership does not have a good reputation in NATO and it's for a reason. We need to buy Western arms.
Is it really necessary for Hungary to be in NATO, or is this just to stop the U.S. invading?
Its because NATO is the designated place for the USs vassals - including Hungary.
God I hope I live long enough to see the collapse of the global homo order and the wiping out of Ahriman's children here on earth.
Bravo sir.
are you guys planning to retake transylvania or something?
Would slavniggers have stopped genociding each other had Hitler won the war and removed Kebab?
Nope, the hatred runs much deeper than that. Turkroach blood isn't the only blood Slavs lust for. Eternal genocidal conflict is the very thing that makes Slavs wake up in the morning. All they need is but a single spark and all hell will break loose. Men inspired by warriors like Vlad the Impaler will show up everywhere, each doing their best to break a new world record on civilians and prisoners butchered. Imagine a world where NATO never existed and the Balkans were allowed to wage war to whoever and whenever they wanted with no foreign interference to stop them.
Iraq ditched Abrams for T-90s and Turkey is buying all its anti-aircraft from Russia. You gotta realise that USA needs these Hungary more than Hungary needs USA. Who's gonna attack Hungary? Russians? Even if they wanted to, they'd need to get past all of Ukraine first, which is not something USA would allow whether Hungary is in NATO or not. Other than that, there's literally not a single country that could threaten Hungary. So what does Hungary need NATO for? All it does is have you fight for jewish interests in Afghanistan and similar shitholes and force you to do some budget spendings and shit. It should be the other way. Hungary should charge NATO for staying in the alliance, for the privilege of having the possibility of transferring troops through Hungarian territory should a war with Russia indeed occur.
US uses fearmongering in the media to convince everyone they need NATO, but the opposite is the truth. It's NATO that needs other countries so as to give legitimity to its repeated aggressions against sovereign countries and violations of international law.
That sounds fun.
What the hell do you guys smoke over in the Sudetenland?
They surely won't have to face any sudden color uprisings financed by german taxpayers with weapons and general supplies delivered straight from the CIA if they do that.
Austria isn't in NATO and doesn't get color revolutions, so why would Hungary? Besides, if fear of getting couped prevents you from putting your country in order, then how are you any better than a kike puppet?
The argument was mostly to show why Hungary (any NATO country, really) can buy their arms from wherever the fuck they want, as NATO needs them more than they need NATO, and NATO thus can't press too much or the country would just up and leave.
Even without air support they get rekt by IFVs with TOWs. Outdated Abrams and charlies shat all over and then sowed up to their funeral drunk and raped their mom
The only question is if they could put aside their hatred for each other long enough to remove kebab
Pratchett got old and died, but Jingo is still a classic.
If youre gonna go wheels, go 6x6 or 8x8.
Which one?
The Warthog would only be legit if someone made a 4x4 direct electric drive independent suspension warthog. To date, hasn't happened.
You son of a bitch, why did you have to remind me of my childhood?
oh hey, Halo before it got addicted to the gribbly bits and codified.
why did you have to remind me I'm old?
Behold, the Komondor. Another part of Hungary's rearmament program, a pretty decent armoured car.
It komonds.
Good thing is: it's Hungarian development.