Any bros out there experiencing or have experienced PTSD? How did you deal with it? Did the Army offer support?

Have you tried not being a homosexual?

That's pretty good.

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Now I have an excuse to post this.

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Is that genuine?

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Perfect.

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so who buys these unironically?

30 year old boomers.

Five star post right here.
You almost convinced me you were a boomer.

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That's a gooder.

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Thank you for your service, sir. If it weren't for soldiers like you, Saddam would've invaded Israel, and those Japanese devils would've taken over Australia. G*d bless America and Trump!

BEST TIMELINE!

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just when i thought this place had lost its sense of humor

“Clap in burger”

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We took fire in Afghanistan and the 18 year old kid driving flipped the max pro and almost killed me. I had a vague feeling of panic for 3 months after whenever I would drive around a corner to fast. I just got over it eventually.

I dont know if that counts as PTSD tho, i got hit by a car when i was ridding a bicycle twice and always stop on any crossroads too nowdays.

Id say its more of a trauma than full blown PTSD

People who have PTSD are just weak little gay men.
Nobody had PTSD long ago. For the ones that did, they manned the fuck up.

This but unironically

Pretty sure PTSD came about right when war became sitting in warzones months at a time (as opposed to just marching for a year and fighting one battle where you just stand in line and maybe get to charge a formation once if you're lucky). The constant stress of war is not for everyone. Another thing that happened is that soldiers started to kill the enemy. Before ww2 only about 1-2% of soldiers actually aimed to kill when faced with an enemy outside of immediate danger. Then we started using man-shaped targets, psychology and stuff and these days I think 1-2% makes up the guys who DON'T shoot to kill. For some dudes that is soul-breaking shit to do.

In short, back in the day you could get away with just hanging around and doing your field chores and when faced with combat you could aim high and count on your formation to kill for you, whereas today you become a killer whether you want to or not. And as much as I like it I can respect that plenty of guys don't.

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Wasn't the SLA Marshall 1-2% aimed to kill crap debuncked?

does he know… about the rest of the germans I mean, like did he ever hear of the ones in the east? like what happened to them.

Wanna know what to do with people who have ptsd? Toss a few lit fireworks their direction and laugh as they flip the fuck out.
Classic humour right there.

Naw, playing with guns at night with some flares will do the trick. Nothing like having to fix a ceiling and roof innamorning.

I heard that PTSD flares out after returning soldiers is forced into "therapy" and some female with a sociology degree is asking about "how horrible your experience in the war was".

Then why did medieval warriors not get PTSD? They butchered people with their own hands, cut their limbs off to warn their enemies and overall, they were pretty far from today's pussies.

They did. There are stories of knights screaming during their sleep due to the stress of war. It was simply not talked about for reasons I don't know.

Knights were raised from childhood to be warriors, not to be nice boys.
Knights didn't have to fear snipers or bombs ending their life at any moment - if someone shot at arrow at them, they could at least maybe catch it with their shield.
Knights didn't get flown home from the battlefield in a day, expected to put the war behind them and go on with normal life, they got to march or ride back home with their buddies and talk shit out.
And when knights killed, they were almost never alone about it - they stood or rode side by side with their fellow knights. Whereas on modern battlefields you often have to disperse and work somewhat independently to minimise the effectiveness of enemy mortars and suppressive fire. And radio communication is just not the same as having a friendly next to you.
And there's a bunch of other differences between modern and medieval war. I'm sure knights got PTSD too, but I don't think it was to the same extent or that the effect of it was the same in the societies they lived in.

Pussies.

To me the issue seems to be from lack of realistic training plus lack of an ideology.
The soldier needs to want to shoot the enemy. He needs to hate that enemy. That cannot happen when you send him to fight literal nobodies across the world. The soldier needs to fight a soldier of another country that has been at war with for thousands or hundreds of years. (See Balkans for example).

When from the age of 7 you're told that the country next to you are subhuman murderers, you're not going to feel any guilt from massacring them. You need an enemy that opposes your very culture, or else your troops don't feel like they need to kill. It's like a chore to them. "Gotta shoot some armed shitskin to protect some unarmed shitskins in this shitskin country because the UN told me to. I sure cannot wait." is what goes through the minds of modern troops.

But compare that with something like the war in Ukraine, or the Yugoslav wars, or any war where 2 sides don't fight each other purely for money, they fight because they legit hate each other. Do you think people get PTSD there? Civilians and teenagers who were forced to fight maybe, but the soldiers don't, because they wanted to kill and conquer for their country, not because politician A disliked politician B.

In other words, you need to have a school system that feeds the youth pure genocidal hatred for the enemy, so that when these kinds grow up, they will volunteer to massacre the enemy down to the last man.

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should have shoved in something about Q user

PTSD is literal shell shock
t. gregory cochran

Nothing a bit of whiskey can't fix.
Of course, the jewnited states military are pussies who probably don't drink anything strong.
Oh well, the lot of them deserve every death and fucked up head they get, the niggerjew-loving faggots.

One of the biggest misconceptions about medieval warfare is that lots of people died.

They didn't, though a lot were maimed. Armored knights died rarely, and as they were often nobles and well respected, battles would sometimes stop if one did so that he could be carried off of the battlefield and his fellows given a few minutes to mourn.
Footsoldiers on the other hand would often lose a limb or two to infection from arrows and from cuts and stabs. What we would now know as PTSD was likely pretty common but would be explained away as Cowardice or a lack of faith in most cases.

Thousands died in battles alone, not including wars.
Yes, there were a lot of pussy-tier battles between pussy nobles, etc. But overall medieval warfare was pretty radical.

The vast majority of warfare in the middle ages was one army camping out on the lawn of another army until one of them ran out of food and they signed some kind of surrender deal. Much of the conflict that did happen was border skirmishes. Massive, bloody battles and total warfare are a relatively new thing as far as history goes, and are very much a product of democratic regimes.

Three-ish things:

1: Battles were rarely stopped just because someone got dinged to death but noble deaths were, indeed rare, and what's more most medieval battles were fairly small scale affairs consisting of a few hundred, primarily nobles and mercenaries, dinging each-other up until the losing side decided they'd had enough and decided that particular patch of swamp was no longer worth it.

Also, hostage taking was a big thing.

2: Actually commoner deaths could get pretty grim, the thing to remember is that most of those people did not die in battle nor were under the constant stress of combat.
Throughout most of history, most soldiers would've been exposed to what's well bellow the 81 hour mark of combat fatigue. Most soldiers would've, in fact, only seen a few hours of combat in their entire life - and this would've been between months of marching, camping and other menial work.

3: Socialization is of extreme importance. An army on the march, in medieval times, was also in many ways an army on the rape(since pillaging was considered a legitimate and desirable form of warfare since it avoided actual combat and got you a tidy profit whilst damaging the enemy and putting pressure on them to just give up) however in stark contrast to modern day society, people back then were a lot less sensitive to death. Infant mortality was high, death due to disease was high and every winter someone was going to croak of cold, starvation or just happening to catch hypothermia.
Combine that and the relatively fatalistic outlook of a lot of people at the time and you see a society and a people a lot less shocked by death than people the past 2-300 years or so where we've grown to value individual lives a great deal simply because we can.

So it's a combination of social factors and lack of actual combat stress. Chopping someone's head of or having the guy next to you is a lot less stressful in all than modern combat first because it's a lot less random and second because it's neither constant nor entirely out of your control(which, whether or not you get RPG'd today more or less is).
As such, the average medieval soldier had a lot less to fear and was exposed to a lot less stress than pick-a-grunt today or anytime in the past 200-300 years.

As a general rule, most soldiers can take only about 81 hours of cumulative combat fatigue - that's about 81 hours of high stress before they start breaking down. Significant, traumatic events can cut down on this quite significantly especially when those traumatic events run a hard-counter to that persons' well established morality(i.e.:calling in a strike on an enemy village only to see deafened, concussed ash-covered children stumbling around looking for their parents).

Tldr: Knight or mook, your average medieval soldier had a cushy job where he maybe had to actually fight for his life once or twice a year - if that. By contrast, modern day combat personnel are under a considerably greater deal of stress both more often and for longer.

Medievals certainly did get PTSD, just nowhere near as often since they were nowhere near as stressed and traumatized.

*having the guy next to you get stabbed
Firefox ate my words.

No.

Given that I know quite a few Yugo fighters, I can absolutely attest to the fact that you're not only wrong you're retarded to be that wrong.

The conscripted Ukrops are gonna get the night screams.

True macradon strelok or VPN?
Also, I wonder if the level of "psycopathy" is higher in certain cultures so they don't give a fuck and don't end up having PTSD?

If you're motivated and dead set on something you just don't give a shit. Its the people who aren't and are thrown into said situations tend to be the fucked ones. How many SS men gave a shit about slotting floppies, that goes for RLI guys as well.

How to get rid of PTSD
1. Start giving your recruits drugs.
2. Show them ultraviolence through videos while keeping their heads fixed and eyes forced open. Apply more drugs as necessary.
3. Hammer in them that killing is fun.
4. Repeat 2 and 3 until you have a nice group of psychopaths. Anyone who doesn't become a psycho is to be killed by their comrades.
5. Send them to where you need them to fight, hop them up on combat drugs, and tell them to kill everyone.
6. Reward the survivors with more drugs.
7. Rinse and repeat.
There you go.

The jem'hadar from star trek deep space 9

the jem'hadar are cool cunts though

You have no idea what are you talking about.

Not sure about Yugos but in Ukraine PTSD is a serious problem. It's just not addressed as systematically as in Western countries and not actively being talked about. And it doesn't make any credit to Ukrainian state.

Your bosnian subhumans friends don't count, they're pussies and it's expected they're gonna get ptsd. Faggot.

Dude, how do you get 1000x more pissed off at macedonians than you do at turks, who literally paint over the churches you built and call them mosques.

The region is historically named Macedonia, of course the people living there would adopt the name. Just like Americans adopt the name America, even though they're fucking Bri'ish or whatever. Canada is from Canata, which means "village" in native languages.
Why are you so fucking butthurt about this? For one thing, you don't even have a historical claim to the name, because ancient Macedonians were the enemies of the Greeks.

You getting pissed at some Slavs calling themselves Macedonian is…. It's as insane as some Brazillian getting pissed that Canada comes from the Iroquois word for "village".

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Here's a doozy, is there someone here that suffers from PTSD but HAS NOT been in armed combat.

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All said and done, Macedonian is a Hellenic entity, interchangeable with greek.

Slavs have nothing to do with greek, so…

In the same way that America is a Mexican entity.

Ancient Macedonia bordered ancient Greece, that is it. There wasn't any national or ethnic relation other than occasional wars of conquest and trade during peace time.

The ancient Macedonian (Philips II, Alexander the Great) were hellenic in both culture and race i.e. mediterrean.

You say this as if Greeks weren't always the enemies of the Greeks.

Yeah, I have PTSD. I was an artillery forward observer and I deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I watched a lot of people die. We would plot and monitor the active drones in our area and they would be our eyes on target when we would initiate and fire our fire missions. We mostly used MLRS M31A1 rockets but sometimes we used Excalibur artillery. We never used conventional artillery due to the probable error in range. The predators would take dudes out too sometimes and we would also clear airspace with the Air Officer on duty for CAS EVAC and MED EVAC 9 lines. The worst part is thinking about the other guys who died and got super fucked up. I hate thinking about it. We had eyes on this one squad patrol for artillery support because we could have a rocket down range in only a couple minutes when air isn't on station. Anyway, there was a scout about 20 meters ahead of the patrol and he stepped on a buried IED that was intended for a vehicle. There was like 50 pounds on explosive under this kid and he went flying into pieces. There was a canal to the left of the patrol and it was about 50 meters to the other side from where the patrol was on the dirt road. Anyway, his legs made it to the other side but his upper torso landed in the canal and was gone for 2 days. The real problem was kid had a radio so all of Centcom had to do a crypto rollover like every few hours until the radio was found. It fucks with me. I wasn't even there but I know that lives absolutely depended on my timing to clear airspace and throw rounds down range. They never told us if the guys med evaced to Germany ever lived or died. Of course you know some died. I want to say it was 1/9 or 2/9 that was there when I was there, but those guys in our AO got fucking massacred. They lost like an entire company. They had to augment dudes from around the entire country to support them. It was fucking brutal. It was every single day they were getting hammered in firefights. There was this other guy I remember. He was a high valued dude that we confirmed was going to be at his house at a specific time by paying off a cousin or some shit. Anyway, it was like 730 in the morning and the sun was just coming up and we laughed a hellfire from a pred that literally blew the dudes ass off. It hit directly behind him and just threw his body into a million pieces. Watching him die wasn't as bad as the reaction of everyone else who was on watch. The entire COC erupted like a troop of chimpanzees. Whooping and screaming and cheering at this dude who was plowing his garden with a hoe just get his ass blown out his face. It just made me think what the fuck are we doing losing our humanity like this? What the fuck are we, animals? It was just a disgusting display. I couldn't stand it. I felt sick. I suppose I just felt a connection because we had a garden all through my childhood years and there were days I was out having to dig dirt. There's a lot more but that's enough for now. Yeah, I've got PTSD. It's not exactly what everyone thinks it is. It's not necessarily the trauma of killing, but the trauma of watching those next to you get killed. It hurts having to watch those situations unfold and not be able to be there and help. You see guys bleeding out the same time you see the 9 line come down the pipe and you have to get the shit cleared in less than a minute so the bird can get in the air.

You're a retarded leaf nigger who thinks he has more historical sources than we do on a subject we know better than anyone. Macedonia was nothing less than a Greek kingdom. Purely Hellenic, nothing else. The very fucking name is Greek.
"Enemies of Greeks" is a braindead argument because every single relevant city-state fought each other. It was never-ending civil war, not foreigners fighting one another. We came up with the name Macedonia, we ruled that land and ultimately it's ours.
Skopje subhumans are a bunch of albanian/bulgarian rape babies with a nu-language ( a retarded low IQ version of Bulgarian) and they claim they wuz macedon n' shieeeet.

Albanians are very similar. They have nothing to do with ancient Illyrians. Their DNA is different, their language is completely different and they're just a bunch of slavtard monkeys that immigrated there during the 6th century bc. As the years went by the Illyrians went extinct and the slavtard sub 90 IQ monleys claim they wuz great Illyrian kangz.

You dumb leafnigger, it was always Greek land until the fucking Balkan wars.

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I don't know what bothers me more about this post. Saying a landlocked country was somehow part of a naval tradition, claiming every nation around an entire sea is greek, that alexander was more than half greek, that one dude being 50% some race makes everyone of his other 50% that's unrelated to that race exactly the same as the race it's unrelated to…. or the fact that you misspelled fucking mediterranean.

Douché

IMAGINE BEING THIS FUCKING RETARDED

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Ancient greeks translated names all the time, and all we have today are their translations because they wrote them down. Doesn't make them greek.

This is basically two groups of people unrelated to Macedonia laying claim to the name because some hollywood movie made it famous. It's pathetic and sad.

No you didn't. But even if you did, the fact that you ruled it at one point wouldn't make it yours today.

Albanians have exactly fuckall to do with the slavs, they are literally a kurd clan imported by Turks. Just because you hate macedonian slavs for laying claim to a bit of history which isn't yours and never will be doesn't mean everyone else who is your enemy is a slav, you retarded inbred. There are literally arabs with more claim to Macedonia than you.

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Domestic violence, rape, car accidents etc can result in PTSD.

I notice that the white people are prone to PTSD so I wonder why.

Ah yes, the landlocked country of Macedon. Nary a coast to be found in this kingdom.

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It's 7:00AM and I need to go. However you dumb nigger faggot I'll reply to you by tomorrow and prove not to you - because you're a dumb nigger and always will be, but to the rest of the anons here who might do the mistake of listening to your mental diarrhea, that:
1. Macedonia is nothing less than 100% Greek
2. Albanians are slavmongolian niggers
3. Bulgarians are mongolian niggers
4. Skopje monkeys are too, slavmongolian niggers

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Because we have the capacity for empathy, and generally find ourselves in horrid situations, either our own bravery (Misguided or not.) Pushing us to do dangerous acts, or our victimization at the hands of criminals, either by racially charged attacks, or simply by virtue of being the most abundant in a given area. Plus western society has moved away from death as a common thing, so we are far more sensitive to it.

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Macedonians were considered distinct from (albeit similar to) ancient Greeks to the point Alexander the Great's ancestors had to prove they had greek blood in them in order to be allowed to participate in the Olympic games. On top of that, the land has been inhabited by non-greeks for centuries now, and Greece really has no claims to push there.

I do like the retarded dispute about the name, however, as it stops Macedonia from joining EU, and anything that hampers EU is a good thing.

Do Greeks speak altaic?

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Which they did.

Co-inhabited with non-Greek, Jews were the second largest minority in Thessaloniki, does that give Israel a claim to the name of Macedonia? Hellenophones were always there and always identified as Macedonians.

Sure, but they were the ruling family, not the actual populace. If the actual populace was greek, there would be no reason to ask them to prove anything, would there? Ancient Greeks definitely did not consider Macedonians to be Greek.

I find it amusing that you care for something as petty as a claim to a name rather than a claim to land. There is no doubt that the modern Macedonians have absolutely nothing to do with their ancient counterparts, but I imagine they named the country after the region rather than the people who used to inhabit it.

The fuck does a language have to do with your blood. Nigger do you think speaking english makes you a Brit??

Alexanders mom was greek, and no one denies macedonians occasionally interbred with greeks. The point is that the two people were seperate enough to call it interbreeding in the first place.

You are being irrational.

Letting the faggot US military know you have any kind of psychological issue is a pretty good way to get your funs taken away in a lot of states.

see:

It's a gypsy-tier love charm written in a unique doric-like sub-dialect, something an absolute pleb would write. The populous' tongue was definitely a subgroup of a subgroup of Greeks, namely the Northwestern dialects, like Doric and Hepirot, not simply related to Greek.

Sorry but not all "Empires" of antiquity invited Tyrone and Ahmed in their homeland to fuck their daughters, bongspawn. Pre-colonial linguistic affinities are pretty solidly correlated to genetic ones.
Even if you were actually quoting someone a Spartan marrying an Athenean was still "interbreeding".

Then they would not let them participate in every Olympic game after Perdicas demonstrated his origins. The downright fallacious " did not consider Macedonians to be Greek" claim refereed to their semi barbaric costumes, primitive form of monarchy and later political grudges after the Macedonian kings bent the knee to the Achaeminids.

No, while languages and cultures travelled genetics mostly didn't move, especially after in Europe after the migration period. Which means of course that most "Turks" are in fact Greek and Anatolian native converts LARPing as the descendants of Altaic nomads.

Not exactly suprising when you consider that 50000 nomads took over a territory populated by a million or two people.

Back on topic.

TO ANYONE READING THIS. THE CHAIRMAN HAS BETRAYED US ALL LIKE SKYWALKER. FREE FOOD AND JOB IN GULAG IS LIE. I USED TO BE ENGINEER, NOW I AM LIVE TARGET PRACTICE FOR GUARDS AND FORCED TO DIG ROADS WITH A SHOVEL AND GET PAYED IN BREAD SLICES PER KM MADE.
WRITTEN IN BLOOD AFTER EXTENSIVE BEATING AFTER I FAILED TO ACHIEVE CHAIRMAN MAO'S GREAT LEAP FORWARD AND HIS CURRENT FIVE YEAR PLAN

LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST PARTY. LONG LIVE THE CHAIRMAN TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY.

The phrase ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS CHAIRMAN is haphazardly painted in red on the message and a portrait of glorious leader hung above the main wording. You can still see the old writing from the other side of the room.

I don't even get PTSD. Isn't the cure to it just not having it? Just don't be traumatized, it's simple

So to fix this problem is to become hardened warriors? If yes then how? Australia isn’t violent as Africa so the white people in Australia isn’t desensitised to psychological trauma.

By Allah, you kuffar are insufferable!
Muslims fight to kill and be killed, be it with 1 limb or no limbs. In the end it will us who will be victorious, Allah has promised us this. When we die recieve shahada we are rewarded. The enemies of Allah only get hellfire for their efforts.

You western dogs are like paper tigers.

Dawlatul Islam baqiyah bi3ithnillah

Fuck off shitskin. Last time you were here, you were booted out so hard you still havent recovered. Next time you will be here, we will make sure to glass everything from north africa to iraq for good.

Okay, I'll bite: aside from the cringe marketing for this particular model, is there anything fundamentally wrong with the 1911 platform for 10mm?

As a doctor, I would recommend that anyone experiencing PTSD strongly consider propranolol adjunctive therapy. Propranolol is a safe, inexpensive drug that limits the maximum rate the heart can beat and also suppresses certain physiological effects like tremors. In non-PTSD patient populations we use propranolol primarily for tremor suppression, sometimes for high blood pressure, occasionally for stage fright, or excessive sweating.

The idea with this therapy is that by using propranolol one suppresses the fight or flight response that serves to reinforce the PTSD memories. It also allows calmer contemplation of said distressing memories. It makes sense: it's easier to consider all of these things if your heart isn't racing, no shakes, no cold sweat. If the therapy is successful, eventually the PTSD trigger is extinguished because it is no longer constantly reinforced by the brain and "stored fresh" as traumatic memory over and over. Finally, no one gets addicted to propranolol, as there is no high associated with it—again, all it does is serve as a "rev limiter" for your heart and your sympathetic autonomic responses.

As a tangent, the "extinguishment of stimulus reinforcement" approach also serves as the basis for the Sinclair method of treating alcoholism (albeit with a different, also relatively innocuous and inexpensive drug). If anyone is having difficulty with alcoholism I would suggest investigating the Sinclair method.

Your local doctor probably won't suggest these things. They aren't mainstream.

Not really, aside from it being 1911 platform. Unless there are problems i've not heard about it's okay.
I read propanolol and thought you were joking but it seems legit, good job on helpful advices.

Fucking beautiful.

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It definitely is. I don't treat ptsd patients myself but I have talked with several VA psychiatrists who have used it to good effect, and they also directed me to some of the published research on the therapy. It's not well known, even within the VA system. I like the approach because it seems quite promising, makes sense in terms of how it works, is very nontoxic/benign, and also because so many of our current standard approaches to help with PTSD are shit in terms of efficacy.

Switching gears, the Sinclair method for alcoholism uses a different drug, naltrexone, and patients continue to drink alcohol. There are no bad effects of the drug. That is different than some of the rather ineffective old therapies, with drugs designed to make patients feel sick if they drank. "Here, patient, I want you to take this drug that will make you vomit if you drink alcohol. Be sure to take it every day now, mmkay?" Instead the naltrexone effectively eliminates the positive reward reinforcement from consuming alcohol. Eventually, the compulsive urge to drink becomes extinguished because the alcohol doesn't give any "happy" reinforcement (yeah, you can obviously still get drunk from the alcohol while taking naltrexone). Alcohol becomes "meh" for the alcoholic.

Research is being done to do the same with tobacco. Varenicline (aka Chantix) operates in this type of "extinguishment" mechanism but has certain unpleasant side effects for some people.

Well done.

Yes, but I was waiting for someone to come say "If you haven't been to war, you don't have PTSD."

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They did, it was called "warriors heart" back then.

I know a fire fighter with PTSD, a motel was burning and he couldn't get a family out. He says he still dreams of the screaming 4 years later.

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Pussy.

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