Why do people continue to spout this shit even after it's been proven wrong
"red army used human wave tactics to beat the wehrmacht"
Jordan Bailey
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James Rivera
It actually did happen, OP, just not in the style of Enemy at the Gates or some shit.
Slavaboos and commies use it to claim Russia made a noble sacrifice to singlehandedly win the war, Wehraboos use it to claim Russia is retarded, which they are, and that it shouldn't have worked, which it did.
Oliver Gray
OP please make a better thread on the subject this is litterly cuckchan level of effort. Also did you really need to make a thread about this…
Justin Mitchell
Aiden Richardson
Don't you think it's like the kamikaze pilots because a smart guided missile is more effective? I think there's more unorthodox but legit tactics in WW2. I don't know them all though.
Kayden Fisher
but 2,3,4,5 and 10 are all true
didn't happen for the same reason japan didn't invade
war with russia was inevitable, there was no prep time, this isn't home alone
maybe if they put more emphasis on an actual bomber interceptor or something capable of doing that then maybe, but at that point most industrial resources had been bombed to rubble so it would have been a null point regardless
U-boats, would have stopped shipping, and in fact did, very successfully. a single battleship is 1. a white elephant, and 2. a big target
as a certain man has been quoted, a battleship has 3 goals, 1. stay afloat, 2. stay afloat, and 3. stay afloat. it does no good to keep an enemy on edge if there is no real threat, the threat is just as damaging as the attack itself in that it prevents them from taking certain actions
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Andrew Baker
You see, you're not thinking pragmatically. You see while the enemy is spending ridiculous amounts of money training their "specialized" infantry you can simply just run your conscripts by with the basics and save more money!
They're both just as likely to die from a single bullet after all! So why even bother wasting time and money on expendable resources. You think your spec ops guy will be able to take on thirty screaming conscripts at once? Guess which will be cheaper and quicker to replace?
With the money you saved you can buy more shiny new supplies, trucks, trains, planes, guns, and tanks! That way you can also back your poorly trained conscripts with these arms as well, and you also have more of them because you cut corners on training as well!
And hey, the ones who do survive, become veterans, and they can be the ones that come in afterwards to mop up the fatigued defenders!
Think of battle as on the job training, you do save a considerable amount of money in the end!
Caleb Parker
Low estimates say on the eastern front soviets lost as many in battle as did germans. High estimates say twice as many. There are also bullshit estimates but we're not talking about them.
Factually. Germany spent months training their soldiers to die in the first few minutes of battle. Soviets spent a few minutes training their soldiers to die in the first few minutes of battle. Absolute majority of them died from artillery shelling anyway so personal skill mattered very little. People that weren't expected to die faster than you can say "fuck" were trained properly on both sides, most notably german aviation and soviet artillery. By the end of the war the situation have reversed, and germans were sending people to war without as much as a complete boot camp training, and soviets had ample opportunity to spend a few months teaching their soldiers the ropes before sending them to war.
So where's that leaves us? Rich country had more money than people, poor country had more people than money. They both used them to their best ability. The one that banked on technology and skill didn't win. Zerg rush have always been and will never stop being the winning strategy. You may not like it, but that's what peak performance looks like.
Also keep in mind that at the beginning of the war, most of the command chain of soviet army were inexperienced kiddies fresh out of academy, which contributed to ridiculous amounts of casualties in the first year.
Adam Wood
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It was relevant in Kipling's time, it was still relevant in WW2, and it remains relevant today.
Eli Johnson
If zerg rushing is what works, then can you explain what happened in the Korean and gulf war?
Lucas Jones
Uh… what? Korean war we had more troops. Chinks "nominally" sent in a lot of troops, but the vast majority of those were reserves and only half a million saw combat.
That was a western zerg rush.
In Gulf War we were also more numerous and had other advantages. The enemy was entrenched so we could put all of our force against only 10% of their force, because the rest of his troops are fixed positions and couldn't support the 10% we were attacking. We also had late 20th century tech while they were shooting stainless steel APFSDS used for training purposes that couldn't even penetrate WWII tanks.
They collapsed like a deck of cards because we Protoss rushed them.
Jason Johnson
Korea the chinks almost pushed the UN forces out before MacArthur managed to sneak behind them with an amphibious landing at Inchon.
Gulf War you posted a picture of a retreating army being destroyed by aerial bombardment.
Asher Gonzalez
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David Collins
Only if the enemy isn't willing to use chemical, nukes or bio weapons. WWI is an example of zerg rushing gone horribly wrong. If Germany had fumigated Stalingrad and Moscow with Sarin as soon as they were in range, civilians be damned, they would've won. They didn't have to waste resources on Britain, just use smallpox or MERS derived bio weapons launched from bombers in major cities. Shit, he could've hit the US the same way. Just send some infected Germans to New York or Chicago and let smallpox-chan work her sweet magic.
The war was lost because Hitler didn't want to do any of these things because he was a soft faggot.
Jonathan Reed
Chinks didn't get involved until the push right up to the Yalu where they figured MacArthur was going to finish the job causing them to zerg to the 38th.
Isaac Sanders
You gotta think like a kike. If you use human waves you get to kill twice the amount of healthy white men. The enemies and yours
Austin Jenkins
Iraq never used zerg rush against the US in Desert Storm
Justin Torres
And it's the infrantry's job to coral them in place so arty can hand out some spankies.
William Powell
You're just assuming the allies didn't have these weapons, and that Germany wasn't a far more focused target than the allies, the allies lose moscow and maybe new york but humanity loses blonde people forever. The war was lost because of morons like you, who were so fucking retarded that Jews sent them thank you cards after the war.
Nathaniel Scott
They can have them. The point is that it doesn't matter. The goal is to destroy the ability of these countries to make war. Destroy their populations is the fastest way to do this. Kike capital doesn't count for much if everyone is too sick to fight or dead from a sudden bombardment of sarin. The longer the war drags on, the greater likelihood of a German loss. Ending the war as quickly and decisively as possible is what was needed, and Hitler was too soft to do what needed to be done to his enemies. Despite his irrational hatred of slavs, he showed them mercy at the worst possible time. He also should've done the Holocaust, and he should've known the kikes would say he did anyways after the war if he lost. Again, too soft.
Blondes are already on the track unfortunately.
Daniel Scott
Joshua Thomas
The other user said that "zerg rushing" didn't work when the chinks doing it after intervening almost destroyed the UN forces in Korea.
They ran out of chinks willing to do it though since they didn't manage to hold the gains and Mao used the casualties as an excuse to purge some of the generals IIRC.
Elijah Rogers
That brings up an interesting question.
Does application of Isserson's factor of depth utilized by Zhukov And Rosskovsky in deep battle operate on a higher strategic and operational plane than the Germans and their Vernichtungsgedanke, Auftragstaktik as well as the Schwerpunkt ?
I know for a fact when they taught operational and strategic combat in Frunze military academy the Soviets heavily relied on on force ratios and concentration of strength.
This is of course, after we stop seeing retarded moves at the beginning of 41 and look at stuff like junkovs (((diversion))) in the Rzhev operations. Yes I don't hold Zhukov in high regard, if the Moscow counteroffensive, Rzhev grinders are deliberately overlooked in favor of Stalingrad and Kursk in there assessments
Also if anyone could enlighten me on the nature of German operations as Clausewitzian to the extreme or if there was a unifying doctrinal concept written somewhere I'll be glad.
Juan Gray
It worked in Korea. The first time around when Norks overwhelmed completely US+SK defenders only to be desperately stopped by literally every allied unit that could be found and it worked again when the chinks came in to say hello and kicked the allied forces all the way from the frontier with China back to the starting point (forcing the allies to bring even more troops, at which point everyone realized on both sides that neither side was gonna win until one side used nukes and wisely decided that risking that while fighting over gooks was really silly and wasn't worth it).
The gulf war isn't even worth mentioning as it was a 19th century battle with both sides staring in each other eyes for months and picking a nice field for the slaughter.
Had Saddam rushed when NATO started to build up it's forces he undoubtedly would have won, at least short term.
Jacob Wood
During the Gulf War, most of the Iraqi casualties came from the US attacking them while they were retreating Highway of Death and Rumaila, or while they were practically deaf, blind and mute thanks to technological and organizational inferiority Phase Line Bullet, Jalibah Airfield, Norfolk, 73 Easting. It's hardly a zerg rush when the enemy has no fucking idea what's going on and has formed a static defensive line.
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Aaron Miller
Lol, Brits had enough chemical weapons stored that they could have turned whole of germany into graveyard, but they didnt used them because using chemical weapons in ww2 was something like proto-MAD, nobody wanted it
Brody Bennett
It was true though, since Stalin purged all the decent officers and commanders in the Red Army years before the war went down. And so all the spaces left had to be filled with political adherents to the Communist party and solidified to Stalin's leadership, not people that actually went through military academies and officer schools. Waffen SS, a volunteer organisation that accepted foreign volunteers on the grounds of political adherence also had similar problems. Wehrmacht commanders of the war gave accounts that most Soviet and a bunch of SS commanders were complete shit and incapable at leading their troops and doing their jobs properly.
In fact, entire success of Operation Barbarossa was not so much to do with German superiority, but Soviet inferiority. If Stalin hadn't purged the officers and generals, its likely that Operation Barbarossa would've been a shitshow. Even Winter War would have been more in favour to the Soviets. Not to mention as well, Stalin ordered the construction of the Stalin line, then stopped that and started work on the Molotov line, resulting in two incomplete defensive lines.
If you want an idea of the capabilities of the Red Army at the time, take a look at Operation Bagration and its results - and that was conducted after years of fighting, millions of casualties and a crippled industry.
Aiden King
Zerg rush is not about sending copious amounts of cannon fodder to their doom. It's about calculating how much extra manpower will offset otherwise lacking force and budgeting for casualities. The reason it just fucking works is that a soldier can only engage one target at a time, and staggering difference in technology and training levels only produces insubstantial difference in combat efficiency.
Of course none of that applies to nations that have generals with two digit IQ and normal soldiers only half that smart. They don't calculate shit, they just send their guys into meatgrinder and hope for the best.
Julian Sanchez
I agree Comrade, it is wectern progaganda to make russian people worry more
Andrew Smith
You assume USSR and allies didn't have and were incapable of producing chemical weapons. Had Hitler used sarin on Stalingrad, he'd get Sarin in Berlin in turn. That was a war Germany would instantly lose because it has its population concentrated in a tiny area compared to all of USSR and british colonial empire (not to mention USA). All treaties about banning certain kinds of weapons only exist and work not because someone is soft, but because they're advantageous to BOTH parties.
Cameron Taylor
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Gabriel Ortiz
Reminds me, didn't the practice of bombing civilian areas in WWII only start because some german bomber crews mistook them for industrial sectors in a night raid on London? I faintly remember reading about that somewhere and that the brits thought it was intentional so they bombed civilians in return, so the germans also started doing it intentionally.
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Brandon Garcia
No, Brits started it