You're not relying on them, you're asking for their intercession the same way you ask a brother or sister in church to pray for you.
If you ask people in church to pray for you, there is nothing wrong with asking the saints.
God doesn't say to -pray- only to him, pray is just a request, you can pray for a person to forgive your loan, or pray they'll purchase your wears, or ask them to pray to God to heal you.
God does expect us to worship him only. I won't bow to Saints or their statutes. I won't give them obeisance or worship, but I can ask them to pray for me the way I ask a brother or sister in church.
You don't -have- to ask for intercession. Sometimes, if I'm not making the connection, reflecting on how my brothers and sisters worshipped God, and asking them about it, strengthens my connection to God because he is harder to comprehend. You don't have to go that route if it isn't useful for you, but there is nothing biblically wrong with that.
Mary and the saints are not necessary, only Christ was necessary, but they are helpful. That's all I'm saying.
If you can be filled with the Holy Spirit 24/7 as you continually pray to God then, sure, asking for intercession wouldn't be helpful… but, if that was the case, you'd be Jesus Christ. Since we're not our Lord and Savior, I'm willing to take all the help I can get.
Sebastian Hall
And what is stopping them from continuing to do it? Anyway nobody did that unironically, the post was always constructed to be obvious.
Benjamin Stewart
There is a specific event called the resurrection which is still to come wherein we will be given spiritual bodies .Jesus is the firstfruits of the resurrection. Our bodies will be as his is now. In that sense the resurrection has happened already, to one man, Christ. All the other dead including Mary are asleep in the grave, awaiting the resurrection. Please refer to the Bible for more info.
Nicholas Perez
So, you're going to take a couple of lines in Revelation, a very allegorical book full of symbology and mysticism, and say the Evangelical/Baptist pet-interpretation trumps the specific words of our Lord and Savior that I posted?
Christ said he was the resurrection, are you saying he was wrong?
Jaxson Cook
Because Mary is not exalted to this extent in the scriptures. She is given a higher honor than many of my fellow protestants would affirm, but she is never called anything like a mediator of graces. That would be blasphemous.
1 Kings 2:10 Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David.
John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
I do, both when my body passes and other brothers and sisters pass and they too are resurrected. It has happened, is happening, and will happen.
But it's not a single event, it's the reality of our world embodied in Jesus Christ.
You mean the day each of us die? Of course Christ judges each of us on our day of judgment. That's why no one knows when it is and it sneaks up on us like a thief in the night.
Please realize the futurist interpretation of the Book of Revelation is only a few hundred years old at most. For the longest time, everyone thought the events in Revelation happened at the end of the Roman Empire- that it was foretelling its collapse.
Daniel Clark
Matthew 25:31-33 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.
Angel Edwards
Are you alive when you sleep? I would certainly hope so.
Mark 5:38-42 When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw a commotion, with people crying and wailing loudly. 39 He went in and said to them, “Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” 40 But they laughed at him. After he put them all out, he took the child’s father and mother and the disciples who were with him, and went in where the child was. 41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”). 42 Immediately the girl stood up and began to walk around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished.
John 11:11 These things He said, and after that He said to them, "our friend sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up."
Luke 1:28 And having come in, the angel said to her "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!" Luke 1:42 Then she spoke out with a loud voice an said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
And shortly after this we have one of the most beautiful prayers in the entire bible, the Magnificat, said by Mary no less. 1:46-55.
