Let's dedicate a thread towards firearms that fit this kind of look.
What makes a firearm look "futuristic" to you?
Futuristic/Space/Sci- fi
Tyler Ross
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Chase Long
James Peterson
Wyatt Rodriguez
Matthew Baker
Benjamin Murphy
Christopher Fisher
And last but not least my favorite one of all.
Benjamin Wood
Are you having fun playing with yourself OP?
Chase Peterson
John Powell
I really like the chiappa rhino, it doesn't feel too bulky.
Brody Nelson
That third one looks like some shit out of Perfect Dark.
Ryder Cruz
You are like little baby. I came across this one in a museum in Istanbul.
Elijah Hall
Brayden Carter
>Istanbul
Not Constantinople?
Carson Cooper
Yes Istanbul
Not Constantinople
William Thomas
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Jose Ward
Nolan Kelly
This
Lincoln Brown
But Strelok, I'm just curious,
Why did Constantinople get the works?
Aiden King
It is a song.
Jaxson Long
Jose Jenkins
that pic is hilarious. it actualy reads "Mount me from above"
Liam Collins
Someone forgot the g36
Gavin Sullivan
nigga that aint nobodies business but the turks
Ayden Cox
I bet you'll faggots don't even have a backup sear triggers a.k.a stealth trigger
Thomas Jenkins
Do you want to see peak autism?
Luis Barnes
Always loved pic related. What unaesthetic swine preferred the black plastic 'spess-gonne' look over this beautiful piece of hardware?
Surely Germany can provide more 'tism than that?
Benjamin Richardson
I didn't want to use the end-all argument.
Leo Fisher
It's truly forward-thinking. In countries where the laws require trigger locks while transporting guns, it gives you both a means of firing it in an emergency anyway, and plausible deniability for why it fired.
Jackson Watson
H&K 36 (unofficial name 'no, not that one')
Luis Cox
It reminds me of the Swedish MKR.
I wish the burgers had forced a microcalibre round onto NATO instead of 5.56 and 7.62.
Angel Ortiz
Why?
Also, how would you aim a PAPOP? Is it muh cameras?
Henry Ortiz
According to Kikepedia those little square tabs on the top, the ones that would break off the first time you dropped the thing, are LCD screens with sighting displays.
Joshua Kelly
Because soldiers would be issued with ammo clips instead of magazines.
Basicallly you pop open a side panel on the magazine, flip a tab to retract the follower inside, put your clip in, close the panel and release the tab again.
This system was meant to reduce weight, because you no longer had to carry around magazines.
Instead of spending time loading individual rounds into magazines, it was also assumed that issuing standard-size ammo clips instead of individual rounds and magazines would save time.
There are sadly almost no pictures of it, and no video of it being operated, so we will never know just how autismic the system was.
But wait, there is more German 'tisms!
You know those Soviet GSh-23 guns? The ones on pretty much every soviet aircraft after the second world war? The ones that are in use until this day and have an insanely high maximum rate of fire, but can be adjusted to shoot slower on the fly? The ones mounted on Mil 24, Su25 and anything that is roasting Kebab in Syria right now?
Well, that's a German system invented by Karl Gast in 1916. Essentially it's two machine guns mounted together, but the recoil produced by one of them operates the other. Again, not much is known and there are even fewer pictures available. I am not even sure if there is a surviving model outside of the former Soviet Union.
OICW 8mm Mauser WWI edition.
Angel Hill
How the hell did they manage to make something that's even worse than ww1 French rifles? They could have used a clip like the Garand; they could have made a replaceable magazine that can be loaded in the rifle like the Lee-Enfiled; they could have made it belt-fed with a feed system similar to what the Schwarzlose machine gun has. Instead they invented a rectangular wheel.
Austin James
They're German engineers
Benjamin Walker
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Adrian Cook
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Levi Jones
To be fair, it's still an imporvement over the dump-loading of the Ross Mark I. Although it's nearly the same system, just with the addition of a clip to hold the cartridges in place. But then you could add a charger guide to the Ross and then it would work just like any other charger-loaded firearm, with the unnecessary option to throw in a few loose cartridges. I think I'm going to get a stroke from this abomination of a loading system.
Adam Mitchell
I suppose so, an I hope it's proud of itself.
Matthew Parker
That sounds a lot like that clip/belt device that one captured Mg08 has. You know the one.
Leo Morales
Without experimentation there is no innovation.
Blake Watson
This is true, and the Germans have done some amazing things over the years. But for every stunning advance you do produce a fair few "Wait, Hans, what the fuck!" ideas or designs. Don't take friendly joshing as an insult mate.
Tyler Allen
Since 1871
Dominic Wright
I want to build an A1 Ar-15 but in 6.5 Cm for that Space Age look and a ballistic profile that would match it.
Charles Murphy
wtf I love Anglos now
Christian Taylor
what about something like this?
Colton White
I have one and just thinking about it makes me irrationally upset about how they weren't further developed.
Parker Fisher
John Ross
Wyatt Price
I love how that 1959 NBC gear looks like something a Zig Forumsommando would put together in his garage for the day when S finally HTF.
Samuel Reyes
This would fit right in to a Robocop/Dredd/cyberpunk movie.
Asher Sullivan
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Blake Walker
This thing really isn't futuristic at all, but there's just something about it that gives off that classic sci-fi raygun vibe and it really hits the spot.
There's no advanced technology that stays advanced forever - even the most spooky secret skunkworks voodoo going on today will eventually end up as something that a sufficiently motivated future-strelok could cobble together from parts he got at Radio Shack. Mark my words: give it enough time and we'll eventually see some madman riding a garage-built BigDog into battle, wearing a powered exoskeleton that he converted into some kind of jury-rigged lorica squamata by slapping as many AR500 plates on there as he could find, and wielding a Mosin-Nagant like a lance, skewering ATF agents in the back as they flee from him in terror whilst giggling like a lunatic as their bullets harmlessly bounce off him. It's inevitable.
Logan Morgan
True, it's just that at the moment the late '50s experimental gear is at just about the level that anybody with more spare time than things to do could put together without special training or experience and only a few days at the drawing board.
It's as beautiful as it is inevitable, except - hang on
For having such pleb tier taste in armour that faggot needs a bullet to the head. It's not bad enough to get me cheering for the ATF over the newfag in that scenario, but if he couldn't be bothered to put together even a Lorica Segmentata then he deserves everything he gets.
Angel Collins
Dylan Hall
mmmm, not quiet maximum autism, but still very tasty; do you think the EU armed forces are going to like it?
Ayden Ward
Lorica segmentata definitely wins based on style alone, but from an ease-of-construction standpoint, it's got to be much simpler to put some holes in a hardened steel plate and hang it from some kind of backing material to make lorica squamata than it would be to have to bend hardened steel plates to curve around the body like you'd need in order to make lorica segmentata. Plus, there's the ease of obtaining the construction materials - for squamata, you just bulk-buy a fuckton of steel targets. Hell, hanging targets already have the holes drilled through them already. It'd be as simple as "Add to cart (Qty: 500)", then you nig-rig them onto your robosuit and become death, destroyer of worlds.
Not enough gizmos and gadgets. It's a good start, but the zogbots would still be more man than machine, and that just ain't right.
Ryder Hernandez
Cooper Murphy
Looking at this goodness, i guess i'll just reference my post in other thread.
Joseph Roberts
If the guy is building a Big-Dog style combat mount then I think it's a fair assumption that he has the resources, ability, and autism to build something at least based on the segmentata. By that point you could probably buy centimetre thick sheets of carbon nanatube at your local hardware store (or something equally over the top), put a gambeson type waistcoat underneath (liquid armour?) and he's sorted, for torso shots at least. Then again, if he's fighting as cavalry he'd probably be better going for a Cataphracts armour, which would be closer to your original suggestion.
Logan Ramirez
Alexander Butler
Evan Foster
Holy shit, this one would be dislocating entire torso when firing.
Anthony King
Get on my level pleb.
Also ours is actually fairly with most infantry units equipped.
Angel Parker
Liam Scott
Any new cool shit being developed?
Justin Sanders
From what I could see from a quick search it mostly seems to be computer kit. Or at least that's the stuff they're happy to talk about.
Dominic Bailey
Oh, God, no.
Comes with the feature of shooting the wearer in the shoulder in critical situations, very handy for pacifying women and/or retarded.
This one is meh. They've been trying to pull off old "bigger is better" with the caliber but designed unwieldy shit that adds like 100m to VSS range but is not only heavy and unwieldy which is awful at these distances, but is incompatible with the ammo used in other guns using this caliber. Other things like PP-2000 also follow the trend, just with fire rate. Add amount of propaganda and wuss to taste.
Angel Sanders
Bentley Williams
What was the purpose of the MR-C beyond making the average infantry man look like he belongs in Halo? Was it just a amalgam of various memes?
Adam Ortiz
It didn't even get to prototype phase. It's not even a meme.
Carter Reyes
Why has there been a lack of new guns the past 30 years? everything is some variant of an AK or AR nowadays. when do you think the next big thing will happen or will there be laser AKs in the future?
Elijah Powell
1. There reaches a point in any technology where you can't improve anymore. It may take longer for certain technologies, sometimes development takes longer and the technology is still in development. You WILL get a better smartphone in the future, you WON'T get a better claw hammer which hasn't improved in 2,000 years. Machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, ect., reached apogee decades ago. The revolutions are long, long, long over.
2. Domineering faggots in the US and Russia force their design upon the rest of the world. Soviets flooded the world with AK's, now the US is using the lure of military contracts to foreign companies as a way to get places like H&K to adopt their designs for new mass production, slowly pushing arms production towards 'Murica" first, eventually pushing Stoner's shitty AR on the entire (formerly) free world.
Basically we all get to eat modern neo-imperialism. The Soviet's made sure their design was pushed on their sphere, now the US is playing catchup to push the Whizz Kids Magic Super Moon Shooting Space Gun on the rest of the world decades after standarization in the US military. First the US bullied NATO into dropping a proper intermediate cartridge, then they went to too small an intermediate cartridge and then forced THAT on NATO, now they are finally getting to pushing their "Murican" AR. They basically cry and scream and throw fits and use their leverage to push their own way against the rest of the west, and they get away with it because they can.
Dominic Hughes
Innovation is risky. It costs a lot of money to develop something new, and if it doesn't work much better than what is already available there is a big chance that nobody will ever buy it.
I disagree based on the definition of "improve", you can always improve anything. Let's take the claw hammer for an example. Let's say that your current claw hammer does what it is meant to do. But it costs 2$. A guy comes along and makes a new hammer that costs 1$ and does the same job, but the handle is uncomfortable to hold.
Do you consider it an improvement because it's cheaper and does the same job, or the opposite, because it's uncomfortable. Improvements can only be measured in certain aspects.
In firearms terms, a cheaper gun that lasts longer may be an improvement for a gunsmith, but if it can't hit shit it's the opposite for a soldier. Improvement depends on your choice or priorities.
Brandon Carter
This, but i think it's also the gun-hating trend across EU that is to blame. Firearms are so restricted and controlled that almost any manufacturing industry is fated to either go bankrupt or be kept alive by the state support and protectionism, and the states aren't as interested in home gun industry, because of the political situation and aforementioned trends too, so it can just choose a more economic decision of buying guns from some 3rd party that is out of reach and local regulations, especially if you ignore strategical disadvantages of that approach.
Carter Collins
Up until a combination of new technologies and doctrines makes all current military small arms a hinderance in a firefight. But for that to happen we need a war where those technologies and doctrines can prove themselves.
Ryder Nguyen
didnt loads of firearms manufactureres shut down years because no one is buying their guns?
theres many times america has set up programs just to drop them at the last minute and fucking everyone over
Matthew Roberts
That is a good point. S&W being a familiar example, because of manufacturing changes the revolvers in the civilian market stay the same price or slightly drop, with inflation in the US this means the guns are technically getting cheaper as the money devalues. They are durable, still good, but they aren't nearly as good as they used to be without hand fitting and lapping by a master, that brought up the price. The new "improved" CNC dominated revolvers are cheap and effective, without the bells and whistles, and just plain not as nice, to keep them affordable in an autoloader dominated market.
Indeed, many a product goes backwards to go forward. A very good point.
I'll agree, take a look at what pro gun laws and low gun prices in the US leads to, a massive and powerful civilian market that keeps a vibrant and large industry in business. Despite all the hate for the M14, despite its short stay in the US military as a frontline line infantry rifle, Springfield has made money making a semi auto civilian version long after the M16 came to prominence in the military. The civilian market can keep certain guns and companies (Springfield is a new company, not original Springfield, but still) alive long after military contracts end. Auto Ordnance is still putting together semi auto Tommy guns for the public, a design about a century old, on equipment that's sometimes almost as old, long after newer submachine guns dominated the market for security and military and police.
You have hunting rifle and shotgun companies in Europe, and you have the major military arms makers, that's it. One survives off a restricted but often rich specialty market and the other by the state. No room for anything like the US, so another very good point.
What technologies and doctrines do you see on the horizon that will make heavy and light infantry in their current state obsolete?
John Turner
Sure, there's no denying that, but loss of markets even in the home country of a company and lack of support that these companies once got(even if it's just less strict regulations/other barriers or tax cuts) did significant amount of damage and heavily hindered development. Just yesterday i've posted some of my research about Belgian VBR company and its creations. It's been doing alright, with some selling designs and was pretty open to customers, with detailed information, research and stuff, but was almost shut down and reduced to selling all its stuff to government agents only. All despite their round, for example, being designed to NOT be a threat against vests in non-AP configuration.
Samuel Ramirez
Innovation comes from some guy having a flash of inspiration and then doing what it takes to bring that idea into reality. Over the past few decades, it's just been laws, laws, and more laws, completely choking the life out of the entire process. The only people who are allowed to make any serious attempt are the big business that have been around for forever, who have all the licences and contracts and patents and special exemptions and all that bullshit, but big business deal in big projects which cost big money. Doing something new is risky, so if they lose, they lose big. They don't want to take risks - they want to sell the exact same products to the exact same customers, over and over and over again, forever, so that's exactly what they do. They don't have to innovate unless one of their competitors decides to innovate, and they all have the exact same mindset, so none of them ever do anything new because they're all very happy with the status quo. They just keep squabbling over the same old defence contracts, peddling the exact same tired old designs that they've been churning out for as long as anyone can remember.
Meanwhile, Joe Blow (who actually has a real interest in the subject matter, instead of just treating it as a convenient way to fill his pockets with taxpayers' money) can come up with a bona fide game-changer, but since bringing that idea to fruition would result in death by red tape, he's forced to just sit down and shut up, like a good citizen.
Joshua Lee
Artillery. I mean, modern artillery will wipe out any large formations that are outside of a city, and so in the future all infantry combat will be like Stalingrad. Now, if you with today's technology wanted to outfit an infantry division for Stalingrad, then you'd end up with something rather different from what you see today. Here is just this single piece of technology:
en.wikipedia.org
A thermobaric version of this weapon would be incredibly effective inside a city, a pair of barely trained riflemen would be deadlier that an pair of excellent snipers. This one weapon alone could force an army to rethink its body armour.
Jonathan Collins
Ethan Rodriguez
>like a good citizen subject.
Cooper Sullivan
that's nobodies business but the turks
David Green
Found you, Cletus Xiangzhou IIIrd. How's the uyghur genocide workin' out for ya?
Brody Turner
What's with pole on Zig Forums and their fascination with turk, arab and muslim.
Are you the resident turk?
Easton Jones
He is probably cuckpole, don't mind him.
Hunter Reyes
does it make me a bad person that I like the helical mag forward design? Or helical mags on pistols in general?
Hudson Fisher
Michael King
Michael Sanchez
For every one Angl*scum crying, "Wait, Hans, what the fuck?", there are twenty voices screaming in reply, "Wait, Nigel, what the fuck?"
Adrian Ramirez
Some further pics of the Gast system for you or anyone else that wants to see more of it.
Lincoln Carter
Don't worry, goy, just buy anuddah Magpul™ RVG® for each mag.
Aiden Butler
David Ross
According to me, those are made of resin and broken dreams.
Mason Gomez
Some early selfloaders were really out there.
Parker Collins
When will the future care about accuracy? All the low barrel guns win this contest hands down.
Elijah Campbell
Kayden Scott
Can't find all that much information on them, or much more than a few promotional pics. Was there anything interesting about them besides the weird firing position?