Does Christianity make people happy?

I'm talking about earthly happiness. For example, I myself am a homosexual atheist, would I be happier and live a more fulfilling life if I was chaste, prayed with every night, went to mass every sunday, etc etc? Or should Christians just expect the fact that they will suffer and have to give up pleasures, happiness only being expected in the afterlife?

I'm genuinely curious about this because the answer seems to vastly differ between different denominations, some churches go as far as saying that christians should not only expect happiness, but money and material things, so I thought about asking you guys.

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No, Christianity is for people who are profoundly not on your page, happy/sad is largely irrelevant. People come to it as a last ditch affair, we are the "poor in spirit."

As to material goods, I don't think that enters into it at all, your pocketbook and your spiritual existence are quite apart.

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BIG YES! Honestly, even as a Christian that tends towards perfectionism and demands certain forms of asceticism, after about a week, you love your duties to God and your life more. Waking up at 6 AM may seem like torture at the start, but then it is refreshing and fulfilling. Praying all the hours seems like a chore at the beginning, but then your life is looking forward to each one. As is so with all Christian practices.

You get massive benefits from 24/7 prayer in the heart, and you have a strong love towards complete strangers, no stress or anxiety or worry, because you've given all that to God. Since anger is forbidden and forgiveness demanded, you have no ill will towards anyone ever (it only bothers you when you do anyway), and are always happy, even with enemies. Giving up those things brings pure joy.

No, you will not have material things, but you will have Earthly happiness. Giving your money when asked in a literal way as Jesus commanded is extremely rewarding. Not wasting your time with media or music brings more time for pleasures that last longer and are better than all of that. Releasing yourself from the burden of violence by being an absolute non-resistant and never calling the police or locking your cars or doors relaxes you in amazing ways, because you have nothing to lose ever. Releasing all emotional attachments to things makes you physically feel light, and like you could dance on the world. The benefits of following Christ while doing these things can not ever be counted.

All I have described is the joy of Christ. You will mourn your sins 24/7 but you will have a sweetness and a joy with it. You may physically suffer or be uncomfortable but you will not care. Sadness and temporal happiness will pass, but always you will have joy. Convert and repent.

Also bonus: Chastity is rewarded even for straights, I am never getting married (probably not doing vocations either) and by a grace from God have been freed from all those desires, that also makes life light

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It's difficult to understand, I for one got myself into this mess through philosophy. Eventually I had painted myself into such a miserable, morally fraught and impossible corner that I had to accept the one thing I had denied the whole way along, which is biblical revelation.


This guy is unreasonably happy imo, I wonder how he does it.

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On the long run, yes

How happy will you be when you're dying alone without children from HIV-assisted colon cancer? How happy will being a homosexual atheist have made you then?

Has the thought ever occurred to you that God's commandments might possibly be for our own good?

"Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!" (Phil 4:4)

"Give thanks in everything, for this is the will of God toward you in Christ Jesus." (1 Thess 5:18)

Honestly it's just because when I became a Christian, and entered the struggle with the saints, I became unreasonably joyful at this, and still am. It's been months, it's not going away. I've accepted the burden of myself and my sins and my faults, and I'll endure them in the mercy of the Lord. I've removed cares for the world and it's things, so I'm free from that burden. I've removed the cares for safety with human deeds and protections, care for governments or any political action, so I'm free from those worries (never having to call the police or lock a door means you do not feel apprehension or fear at other humans, so you feel safe and comfortable and free anywhere you go). Why not be happy all the time? WE'RE GOING TO BE FORGIVEN AND HAVE REST FROM OUR SINS AND GLORIFIED BODIES! Is that not the most amazing thing ever said?

I have been an atheist from birth and from my experience it doesn't. I don't seek hapinnes in life, however.
I advise you shouldn't be a christian. We'd all be better off with you as far away as you can from it, including yourself.

Matthew 7:6

Maybe one day, I'm still too new, also as I said, I came to this by philosophy

Ecclesiastes 1:18 is highly relevant. "For that in much wisdom is much grief, and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."

Indeed, be careful what you read OP, or you might end up not being a normie.

Short answer is yes. It's the antidote to the black pill. God given morality is essential for happiness on this planet. The dilemma? Being a Christian is not easy.

It seems like an oxymoron but it works itself out in the end.

Oh, and using Matthew 7:6 to shill on Christian boards is some fantastic bait m8

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Go hug a faggot in your church and winnie the pooh off, will you?

Until the day the Lord returns for His children, Christianity will always be a profoundly grim faith in this wicked and perverse world. The truth hurts, and such should be painfully evident to anyone who lurks on this site for more than five minutes.

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Hmm hmm

No. Christianity doesn't make you happy. In fact I feel much more burdened than before. But I also get a kind of a spiritual peace that I value much more than happiness. I process world thru different values.

To answer your bait, no i don't expect to live like high and mighty rich guy from silicon if that is what you mean. I personally have been praying to god on career advice cause who else would know best then the creator, of the universe. And so far that is leading me down the fire dept. But we're all called for diff things. This, is more for lurkers though, i know this is b8, but still i had to bite.

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Christianity isn't about making yourself happy. It is about making God happy.

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No but it will give you true meaning and a context for that happiness. Happiness is fickle. Christianity helps your soul to be firm when you are without happiness.

Also this. Christianity will, if you stick with it, give you unmatched, unspeakable satisfaction.

Depends.

Chaste: Do you consider that you are currently engaging in sinful behaviour? Do you think that's okay? Why do you consider it sinful?

Prayed: Maybe you'll find it easier to try to work through what your hopes and desires are. Maybe some fake christians will pray that number 82 makes the gamewinning catch on some football game, those who actually try to work the doctrine and word are hardly so vain. Prayer is a way to sort out your goals and desires, and to ask for help in making the right decisions come a fork or conflict. I personally ask that I may confront those conflicts and take a righteous path. For divine inspiration maybe. I don't ask that my free will be revoked to grant something like a winning lottery ticket, etc.

Went to mass every Sunday: Is it the routine for you that would be the problem? Or dedicating 1-3 hours a week on yourself as a person, let alone your soul?

If you're not willing to work it and see it as a joke, then that's all it will be. I laugh right along with the studio audience too at the big equations on the chalkboard, "lol hard!" but maybe not for the same reasons as you…

But what about the fear of being damned? And the need of constantly think about what your actions and repent? Doesn't this make you worry, or upset a little bit?


I will die alone regardless I'm afraid, but I appreciate the advice.


Interesting, thanks for the answers.


It's not bait really, despite being an atheist, I quite like reading about religion and thinking about it.

Why? Because I dislike sodomites and sodomite sympathizers who call themselves christians?
Borgoglio, is that you?

You make good points. Since I'm not a believer, maybe it seems more difficult for me to be a Christian than it actually is. But from an outside perspective, I think I would feel more burdened, like this poster said.

It really strikes me as such, but just on the off chance this isn't bait, I don't think they weren't talking about Earthly burdons. Rather, that realization that the "quality" of our lives, and afterlives, are very much dependant on our actions/morality here and now.
But that's not of much concern to a child running from one water slide to the next candy bar… And why shouldn't a child get to experience life as a simple animal? To rise, at some point we must start to climb.

I don't want to sell you into it, I just want to state that I had a positive experience with it being a person with your background.

Anyway, you will feel restricted, but it's the good type of restriction. The same type of restriction as, "don't eat too much sweets". You'll miss it at first, but eventually realize that you'll be better off doing less of it. There are times when you will eat them again, but you'll refrain eating them constantly.

I never felt that way unless if I'm sinning, even then, I pray for forgiveness and attend confession. What made it easy for me was Mark 3:28-29, where it states that God can forgive you for anything

He got the feces of a little boy

God gave me a job and a house so I think sometimes He will give you material goods. I feel very blessed that God has given me so many wonderful things and experiences. God cured my social anxiety and depression and since converting I haven't felt as happy for no reason since I was a kid. However, I still experience profound feelings of loneliness sometimes. Maybe I just need to pray more… Maybe when I have a child some day it will be the answer to my prayers.

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EVERY. SINGLE. TIME!

Sigh, tbh, you will have a hard time identifying as a christian if you dont recognize that your homosexuality is both a sin and a mental disorder that needs to be healed. You'll be happier as some pagan if you want to stay a sodomite.

anyone claiming to be a Christian and saying that you are okay to identify as a sodomite is only helping you be damned to hell

Either this is one big long ruse by one super autist, or there is a correlation

Be nice to curious animeposter seekers bls. The body of Christ welcomes all, especially the broken and weeby.

The feeling of restriction is what pushes many people from considering Christ. I notice several of my friends have the idea Christianity is about "no fun allowed" or pic related. They really seem to think the reason is "because I said so" or that there is no logic behind it.
The rules we abide by (or attempt to) are there because not following them will hurt us in the long run. Look at how many people ruin sex for themselves and others with pornography and adultery.

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Why? He's looking to join the church for personal benefit. If he was to join he wouldn't do any of the stuff that makes him uncomfortable like penance.

The best we can do is make him feel ashamed of his sins and hopefully drive him to repent for being such a disgrace.

I love that pic because it shows how God made all the stuff in the universe but we are still his most beloved creations of all, he knows every hair on our head and cares more for us than anything, more than we can imagine and more than we are even capable of loving him back. Love you Abba

Christianity is the revelation of the Divine to man on Earth for this epoch until He destroys our time and brings us to Himself and re-creates all. We are not necessarily the center of everything. Please break the anthropocentric chain. We humans for a very, very, very short era of time on Earth are selected to be it's "priest", and have failed miserably. Our era will be destroyed (and so will we), and those who have assimilated to the Eternal Logos will be saved to have union with Him in the new making of all things created. That is all that this religion is, that is our goal. I can't wait tbh

How do children enter into this? You're not supposed to have children in the endtimes anyway,

I think you may be overlooking all the important stuff about having a personal relationship with Jesus and God being our loving Abba Father.

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Is this a new record?

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I agree with this. As OP said, happiness is earthly. Being a Christian gives your soul peace, so you do not need to feel earthly depression. This does not mean you will never again experience struggle and turmoil. But you will know God is with you at all times and b/c of that so are peace and love.

And over 40 people took the bait.

Firstly, repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand … you knew that was coming.

Secondly, preachers that tell people the Christian life is the happier life should be defrocked. Or worse. Firstly, they debase what our faith is all about – it's not about us – and secondly they have completely misrepresented the entirety of Bible's description of "the life" in Christ – we're not enduring persecution even to death because it makes us happy, that's insane. This "Christianity makes me happier" kind of theology is errant bullshit, pardon my french, and should be excoriated from every pulpit worldwide. It is worldly, it is sending the wrong message, and it is not preparing the people in the pews for the true nature of the life path they have chosen.

So, in short, OP, no, if your happiness in this life is what is most important to you, then being a Christian will totally derail that.

Now, this does not mean we live lives of abject misery: there is joy. We laugh as our Lord laughed, as indeed any man does; we find joy in the things of life, we mourn, we cry, we are morose, we find satisfaction … just as the world does, just as our Lord did.

But, yes, the path of a Christian IS one of self-denial, of reforging our behaviours and thinking, our desires and our wants, to align with the truth of who God is. We're not legalists with our flesh because it makes us happier, we do it because we are in a loving relationship with a God who is different, higher, purer, more moral, more compassionate, more loving, more merciful than the world is, than we are, and we want to live lives that imitate Him. We, like a bride wants to look pleasing for her husband, want to be pleasing to our God. It's in our new nature to want to reflect the values He reflects, to love the things that He loves, to BE what He is. The things we deny ourselves are still appealing to us, but at a kind of bodily way. This is why some Christians still fall into sins, have sex they know they shouldn't. The difference is that they know they don't want to do that anymore.

And that's where the real pain, the unseen pain of being a Christian, kicks in. We struggle with this tension between the carnal self, what St Paul calls the Flesh, and the renewed mind. Our conscience is constantly at war with the old self, and this produces a poverty of happiness, made worse if we linger over the band-aid, slowly peeling it off rather than wrenching our old ways from ourselves. This is no small thing, but it is both a desirous and necessary thing, to be more like our God. And we want it more than what the world can offer because we know that all that the world can offer, the sins of the flesh, are transient … fleeting … not permanent, nor representative of the lives we will ultimately live. YES, it is true that we know that the TRUE reward for this life lived in service is beyond this world. We have a HOPE in the God we serve that transcends this life. Jesus promised that at some time, our bodies will be exchanged for pure bodies that no longer lust after things not aligned with God. Then our purification, and joy, will be made complete.

What I'm trying to do is dispel this notion that we live in futile self-denial grumpily declining to satisfy our "normal desires" for some ethereal hope. Adam4d has a great cartoon on repentance wherein he shows what bad repentance is, where the person really doesn't want to change but forces themselves to because "rules". It isn't about "rules", it is about wanting to be what God planned for us, about being in alignment with the One who redeemed us. And we WANT to be transformed. We HATE our old selves. We earnestly TRAVAIL to be without sin. And "travail" is the right word: it is hard, painful, often joyless, and tiring. But also necessary, desirable, and fruitful.

But, to answer your question, would you be happier … short-term, maybe not; medium-term, yes, I think you would; and long-term, peering beyond death, most definitely. But, for this life, on balance, probably not. For as St Paul wrote: ((( if the resurrection never happened, then we Christians, above all others, ought to be pitied most among all men. )))

They know it's a meme and they're running with it.
Also op is just baiting

The anti-anime gay campaign strikes again, like a clockwork.

See
So predictable.

And by the way, gay behavior is not the way to lasting (real) happiness. Pic related.

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Part of Christian life is mortification of the flesh and rejecting passions of the flesh. Passions of the flesh are like a drug addiction. Non christians, like drug addicts experience brief moments of physiological ecstasy and long periods of suffering. Christians experience continual spiritual contentment and bliss in giving their life to God, but experience moments of suffering for their faith which often become blissful moments that bring you closer to God.

So yes Christians do live happier lives but it is a more calm contentment rather than pleasure seeking hits of physical ecstasy

go back to >>>/pisslam/

I'll do my part of the meme as I always did

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Life isn't about being happy you bitch

It has given me great happiness. I enjoy being in church, I enjoy praying, I enjoy knowing that God is with me. My needs were already provided for, but for those in need God will provide:
The one drawback is that it has made me very angry with Roman Catholics, yet I know that one day God will grant us war to settle the score for good.


Wew lad, wrong board >>>/buddhism/

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those arent buddhists

Naturally, but I'm pretty sure Buddhists have plenty of non-resistance sects so I'm lumping them all together because I couldn't care less about pagans.

For the CS Lewis argument to work, you would have to believe in an intelligent creator and a creation, which is impossible to occur by controlled chance. I don't think that'll work for atheists.
I've only seen people hold his books in high regard - are they really that good? The argument seems a little simpler than what I would have expected.

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Yes. You will receive blessings from God far above any instant gratification of your lower desires. You can see it by yourself if you want.

But, don't go for the individualist path of the protestants or you will bend His teachings to suit your tastes. If you go that way you will probably end in the square one again.

No, only the thought of heaven makes them happy.
If god himself came down to earth, with proof, miracles and everything, chances are people won't believe him if it goes against the promise of heaven.

Likewise, very few, if any Christians would live a Christian life just for the earthly benefits if there was no heaven at the end.

Well…. yea that's kinda the whole point of heaven, is that people can be in perfect communion with god again. And the whole point of Christ even coming to earth, along with heaven is to fix Adams mistake.

Can you change the mind of God?

What is happiness?

Heaven equals an eternal death, though.

What's there to do in heaven?
Play polka music and throw darts?

No.
Nothing is happening in heaven, except perhaps eternally praising Yahweh.
It's not a play pen. It's not a field trip. It's not a lounge. It's not a faire. It's not a theme park. It's not a bowling alley. It's not a YMCA. It's not a watercooler.

It's nothing but praise for Yahweh.

The state of the board right now. Hang the mods, hang them all for turning the last bastion of Zig Forums into a shithole.

Nice try satan.

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You're a really swell guy, though.

I like you.

I'll be looking forward to drinking and feasting with you in heaven, that's a verse, too, by the way.

We're gonna have a lot of fun together.
You are a cool guy.

It's nice to be around you.

I am looking forward to spending an eternity with you.
I love you, user.

We will worship the Lord together in brotherly love.
I like you very much.

Have I told you that you look amazing today?

Every second not spent with you is painful, user.

We will make merry for an eternity and praise God together.

In a world without sin I will be able to say these things to you forever without stopping.
You are the best, user.

Drinking with you will make the wine taste all the sweeter, user.

I cannot wait to see your beaming face when it will behold the Lord.
It will magnify your already abundant beauty, user.

We will sing many praises to the Lord and have even more drinks in everyones honor.

There will be so many people and they all love you.
You are worthy of this love, user.

If you are enjoying my words of affection then rejoice, in heaven they will never cease.
I will fraternize with you forevermore.

It will never ever stop.
A truly rapturous prospect.

Just thinking about spending an infinite amount of time with you fills me with a joy that makes me heart swell and my soul leap with happiness, user.

It will never get boring to tell you how great you are, user.
You will be able to enjoy my love for you for an eternity.
These few minutes are an infinitesemal fraction of this eternity but I would spend several lifetimes to cherish you if I could.
This short amount of time will have to do though, until we are united forever in heaven.

I cannot wait to leave the shackles of this sin filled pit of debauchery so I can praise God with you by my side, user.
I cannot think of anything more fulfilling.

I wonder if we will able to write letters in heaven.
Talking to you will be wonderful but reading a letter written with love is also a wonderful experience.
I want to write at least several googoolplexes of letters to you, user.
Each one more adoring than the next.

I will be honored to spend my eternity in heaven by your side, user.

Just imagine being a voice that is part of a choir that spans literal billions of people praising the Lord.
Everyone around you, people as far as the eye can see.
Billions of them, and they all love you, as they should.

You might just be one soul amidst billions, but I will listen to you every time, user.
It is going to be amazing.

There are souls of all ethnicities in Heaven.
I will be able to share my adoration of you with you in all the languages of Earth.

I hope you enjoyed this infinitely short taste of what will be going on once we are together in Heaven, user.
If you thought these few minutes were great, again, once we are in Heaven you will be able to hear this 24/7 and I will be divinely inspired because I will have no other wants or needs and no sin within me.
I will never make you guess my intentions because they're always the best and yours will be too.
We will love one another forever and we will worship the Lord forever.

Sir, are you okay? Have a cig, calm your nerves.

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I couldn't be better, are you annoyed at barely 20 minutes of love?
This amount of time is nothing compared to heaven.

I love you too, by the way.
Utterly and completely.
You are the best.

Happiness is a fickle and temporal thing. Happiness is an emotion caused by things you perceive as good. Christianity will not make you happy, as Christianity requires that you often sacrifice these temporary emotions and will give you such a starkly contrasting view of what is good from the world that you may literally weep at what is happening in it while everybody else insists that it is a good thing.

What Christianity will bring you is joy; joy that the creator of all things loves you and died for you, and there is no temporary happiness that matches it.

Actually, I'm not annoyed at it. It's marvelous. I love you too Christanon.

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Honestly, praising God for all eternity sounds pretty rad to me. Also

HEY! Isn't that the mortal sin of presumptuousness? Of presuming that you're good enough to get into heaven?