Welfare?

How does Zig Forums feel about welfare? Is it wrong to use it when you could work yourself? Is it better to leech off of the government than pay them anything?

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The only welfare should be Christian charity, not that by the state. We already saw how the larger the bureaucracy the smaller the religious belief.

If you're using it for free money and not looking for employment than it's obviously wrong.

State welfare is evil. You are getting someone else to point a gun at a different person so that different person can give you their money. Democracy was a mistake

Some of it goes to feeding the hungry and some of it goes to buying adult men my little pony parphernalia but I still support it. The system isn't perfect but God has provided me with more than enough share with others, even if some use it foolishly.

Hey, I was thinking of volunteering at a thrift shop run by a local church. Is it wrong to rely on welfare to sustain myself while I do this?

fpbp. Those who do not work shall not eat. But for the downtrodden, the ill, the poor; we can individually give to them, as much as we comfortably could. Not forced by the state.

If you are receiving welfare legally, there is nothing wrong with taking what Ceasar says is yours

If taking the welfare makes you idle, it is wrong. If you do God's work while accepting it, and use it to further God's work, then it is good. It's simply a matter of what you do with it and that it must be legally and honestly acquired.


Should be: for those who are unwilling to work, do not let them eat.

Christians shouldn't support idleness, but Christian support of idleness is a different issue than asking if we can accept a government hand-out.

While I agree state welfare is not good, over-burdening the system might prove to its proponents their error.

Feed a family today and starve two tomorrow.
People who praise welfare simply can't think long term.

It's impossible to be a leech as great as the banking system since its designed to have more debt than money so the bank always has someone out there who fails to pay back a loan and then gets reposessed.
Aka, offer imaginary monopoly money which someone uses to turn actual labor and resources into something tangible, then take this result on the basis on being unable to pay back the loan which has come from a system that always has more debt than there is money, making this kind of thing eternally inevitable.


But state charity is awful in any case. It should be personal.

I think considering that, at least in the US, our wages have been stagnant since the 1970s while inflation has done nothing but skyrocket, when the average american is over $130,000 in debt according to USAToday, and also considering the lack of sincere charity in a lot of churches these days, I'd say if you need to do it in order to survive, then do what you must, and we'll pray that god does something to help get you out of it. Cause until something changes, that debt is going to keep going up, and with most americans working multiple jobs to stay afloat and to pay off the debt they already have, more debt is the last thing anyone needs.

tl;dr, until we see people's average earnings, currently at $55,000 a year, increase substantially, there isn't really a choice in the matter. Do what you have to, and pray that god gets you out of it somehow.

All christian states of the past had some forms of state social welfare, so there's nothing wrong with it per se.

How and in what way it should extend, however, is a complex issue.

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Read proverbs 22:7
and matthew 4:10
Who you serve is who you worship. matthew 6:24
Now that said see 1 corinthians 7:20-24
Are you a slave/debtor? Care not for it but rather use it rather to serve God. Are you a freeman? Likewise care not for it, but rather serve God. But where you are, abide therein and seek to better serve God. In america and most of the world today most are slaves/debtors. But avoid debt like the plauge if you can.

In todays fiat based system labour is valueless as is the paper valueless. Take the fake government money and give it back to them for food which (((they))) were going to take from someone else and waste regardless of what you did or do. But rather use it to do romans 14:6-8

Welfare is bureaucratic solution to a problem that should be solved by the hearts and deeds of men. It is inherently Phariseedic in nature. Whether it's good to receive it or not depends on the situation.

This. Modern capitalism can't sustain the population if it's so unbalanced.

Taxation is theft, and accordingly, I do not eat food that has been stolen off others' tables.

gj

Leach off the state with the jntent of bringing welfare to an end

Well caesar didnt earn this wage, I did so it is not his

Good taste, just didn't expect to see her here.

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so don't use state fiat currency.

A social safety net is a good thing.
Choosing to be a deadbeat welfare queen as a "lifestyle choice" is not.

Modern Western societies hate men: We're viewed as disposable work-horses. It's high time that men went their own way. Give entitled roasties the middle finger.

Eat shit kiklet

I understand where you're coming from, dude. I don't want the white race to perish, either. But this is the second decade of the 21th century. The battle has already been lost. If you marry a white woman today, you're not going to save anything. You're just going to be taken advantage of. Lay down you sword, white knight. There are no more pure white maidens, and the modern white woman has stabbed you in the back. She's the one that open the flood gates to the third world and doomed your countries, and she's not worth saving. Let her lie in the bed that she has made. Don't sacrifice anything for her.

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Providing for the welfare of the poor is a function of the Church, Acts makes this clear

I mean you can go YOUR way, straight to Tel-Aviv coward

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You people are why the Christian church is such a joke today. If you allow this dynamic as a white Christian man in the modern misandrist Western societies, you're no more than a pathetic, groveling slave. Charity is one thing; this is exploitation.

People like (you) are the reason why women are trying to find alpha Brown males instead of pathetic white betas like (you). Get off the Internet and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

Job 38:3

If you want to be a blackpilling gnostic, go to >>>/christ/ or >>>/v9k/

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I answer to God, not to the roasties.

Be sure to sign a prenup, dudes. With one of those, there's a miniscule chance that the judge won't allow her to divorce-rape you when she'll want to 'experience new things'.

It's not my call dude, I'm just telling you what God demands

>>/v9k/ with your cowardice

You won't get a lady by prostrating yourself before women, lad.

You don't understand the difference between Charity and modern welfare state.

Nice straw man, n!gger. Just because I have a wife doesn't make me a feminist.
You have no idea what God teaches men about being a husband.

Im glad faggots like you are incels. We don't need your shit genes in the pool anymore. Please, do the world a favor and never reproduce.

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You need to look up what the dictionary has to say about the word 'charity'. I was obviously talking about generosity, kindness towards those that are less fortunate. Even if paying taxes isn't voluntary, it's certainly an act of kindness to support some amount of redistribution. I'm no socialist, though.

Wew. Better keep a close eye on her. You wouldn't want to raise someone else's kids, would you? Remember me when she cucks you.

Except she wont, because she knows better. We have this crazy little thing called Love. Shocking, I know. Its called being a man, something you'll figure out how to do…eventually

In the mean time:
>>>/v9k/ is your home now, you filthy Cathar.

No wonder why Reddit banned incels from their site. These people are pests

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That's nice sweetie, but something involuntary can never be charity, even if it's post-facto rationalized as having been good by the person who did it

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Dude, in all seriousness and honesty, I wish you the best. I think you've done something terribly unwise in marrying a woman in the West and the current year, more or less, but what is done is done. Maybe you'll get lucky and not horribly burned by it.


Fair enough. You're autistically arguing over semantics, though.

Not getting my coins, unless you pry them from my cold dead hands.

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Dude seriously, I wish your lonely life the best. When you die alone and forgotten remember me and my wife will be laughing at you and your Catharism. Don't ever reproduce, you are unfit to be a parent let alone a husband.
Your low character is subject of greek plays May God have mercy on your black soul.

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Take everything you can from the state, the state is run by satanic pedophiles whose primary goal is to destroy you and enslave the world. Short of Jesus coming back to destroy them, the least you take back anything you possibly can from them. For every dollar you take in welfare they've taken a million dollars out of your community, family, and church.

Welfare is for those that cannot otherwise earn enough to make a living. If you live on welfare because you can't do otherwise or because you lost your job and are searching for a new one, nothing's wrong with it.
If you receive welfare only and on purpose although you could be working or do something else like studying etc. and straight out refuse to do differently, then it is a very bad thing, because you are not living up to what God wanted you to be and do.
Welfare in and of itself is nothing bad, in fact it's a good thing when it's used like it is intended.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Matt 5:42

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i cant remember the exact wording but there's a line that states you should only give with the intent of giving, so stealing my money and giving it to a bunch of people that would probably kill mw over a chicken nugget is a sin in the first place.