How would Zig Forums defend against Dazzlers with a limited budget?
Dazzlers are fucking dangerous to civilians, especially if more powerful versions are developed which could permanently blind. The fact that they can fire over a large area and change frequencies quickly means there would be no way to take cover from an attack before it hits you. Although these weapons are illegal for governments to make, the fact that improvised versions wouldn't be hard for terrorist/rebels/whoever to jury-rig means defending against them is important. Pilots and other airmen are especially vulnerable, owing to the fact that the attack doesn't really suffer fall off when aiming up.
The most total defence I could think of was basically a pass through VR headset, but this would be impractical as the vision inside is not accurate and lag free enough for use in combat and would cause vision issues if worn constantly. Simply wearing an expensive pair of thermal googles would also work, but the issues of limited vision and constant use still apply, with the added problem of cost. Sunglasses, ski-goggles and even shooting glasses would be basically useless as dazzlers could change power and frequency quickly, unless Zig Forums knows some special gear for defence against this.
Some sort of compound in a smoke grenade which refracted all frequencies in and near the visible range and infra-red would be useful, but in practice it would only be useful as cover if you already knew you were under attack.
How much would sunglasses or welding goggles help against dazzlers?
Jacob Phillips
Big fucking mirror.
Samuel Wood
Same as any other weapon you shoot them before they shoot you with their meme weapon
Lincoln James
They sell safety glasses for people who work with lasers.
Aiden Walker
Tin foil or mylar uniforms.
Blake Roberts
Dazzlers are already extremely dangerous even if they don't permanently blind. Especially at night. Human eyes require 45 minutes to fully adapt to darkness. After 5 minutes it has already reached 75%, which is good enough, but imagine being near blind in a combat situation for five minutes.
This is quite smart actually. You know those welding masks that automatically go dark as soon as a bright light hits them? You could use one of those to protect crew against lasers. Using the same concept but with multiple wavelength sensors, and multiple layers of blocking material could be used to protect against dazzlers while not completely blinding the pilots either.
Joshua Collins
Smoke emitters/grenades that are opaque at the wavelength of the laser? Or just bomb them while they wait for the atmosphere to be at the precise conditions for their overhyped meme weapon to function properly.
Laser weapons are fucking retarded. RETARDED E T A R D E D
Joseph Ramirez
wat do?
Evan Gomez
Polarizing filter glass would be better, the auto-darken welding masks would work, but they get so dark you cannot see anything but the plasma pool when you're welding, wouldn't be great for pilots.
Jeremiah Barnes
Sunglasses not so much, but welding googles could be useful. The question is does it react fast enough to protect you against a laser which is far higher intensity than a welding flash?
As long as they protect the vision enough to recover quickly you're fine. Pilots will survive as long as they're out for only a few seconds. But the question is still does it polarize fast enough?
Thanks for the link user but the issue mentioned remains. I guess you could give a different frequency pair to each squad member and hope one of them can defend everybody else while they're out but it still leaves you 95% vulnerable and even then if the attacker moves through multiple frequencies quickly it's an issue.
Carter Cox
You buy the not cheap ones. Again it's fucking COATING. If you put multiples coats you protect against multiples wavelengths.
That's only good for quick beams lasting a second or two, if it's a constant beam for even 20 seconds, the pilot is fucked. Well the light produced by welding moves at the speed of light, as it is light. The light from a laser is not faster than light caused by welding so that's a rather silly question. I definitely don't notice it when I'm welding but it is possible that a brief exposure occurrences but is too short to do much harm. If that were the case a much higher intensity light (i.e. a laser beam) might cause more or considerable harm in that brief exposure. So the issue isn't if it's fast enough since light moves the same speed form all sources, but whether there is any incidental exposure or not.
Polarizing **sorry England* filters only allow one plane of EM waves to pass, I don't recall how it effects the light that passes through but two linear lenses at just under 90 degrees from each other should block out most light but I'm not sure if it would be effective and still allow enough light to still see. So a passive measure like that might not work, when I go home for reading week in two weeks, I can test out our welding masks at home (if I remember and this thread isn't dead), but doubt my phone's camera has a high enough frame rate to catch anything, nor do I know how to use any editing software to see. Perhaps I could nigger-rig a fluorescent screen Rutherford style, but I think that would take far too much energy/money.
Can it protect against all frequencies though (making them impossible to see through) or will it alway have a vulnerability if you want it to be useable?
Yeah obviously the light moves at the same speed, but like you said the amount that gets through in the time it takes adapt could cause serious damage, which would sort of defeat the point of the defence. Is there any serious academic research into this? I feel like somebody would have though of this threat before.
Noah Price
I work near lasers all the time on laser CNC acrylic cutting machine, and everyone on the floor has a set of goggles. All that happens if a laser hits them is the goggle material itself fizzles and turns black in a line where the laser went, essentially the goggle burns instead of your retina. It works 100% of the time.
Lasers are garbage weapons, dazzlers are only terrifying because they can be used against civilians.
Isaiah Davis
Of course it would have vulnerability. Glasses in question are vulnerable in teh 532-710 nm, 532-808 nm waveband respectively. Filter needs to be transparent in some waveband otherwise it would be impossible to see through it.
Fan fact: soviet supper dazzler tank had 20 different wavelength lasers working against single target. Impossible to defend against.
Another fan fact: Russians adopted its new version based on modern components. Its capabilities and even looks are top secret.
Laser weapons are kind of shit. Try to keep even a powerful laser pointer still on a moving target from 200m+. You'd need an extremely stable tripod being constantly moved and shined in a soldiers eyes. One laser only being able to "dazzle" one soldier.
The longer the distance, the more particles in the way of the beam such as dust, sand shit. So you'd need a bulky stand for each laser while remaining covered at a short enough distance.
Can you give brand/model of the glasses that you use?
Jackson Baker
Laser/Dazzle attacks have been a military concern since the late-50's and have for the most part been mostly mitigated. A laser/dazzle attack against an civilian is unlikely, leaning more to an improbability. The most likely target is aircraft, followed by electro-optics on aircraft/buildings/equipment/vehicles and individual weapons sights/scopes/magnified optics. All military hardware has a LIF/LPF coating or have a LIF/LPF insert that can be applied, ex. the M17, M40/42/45, and M50 all have LIF overlens, nearly all combat sights have a LIF/LPF incorporated into their design or can be fitted with one, all NVG post-PVS-5 have LIF/LPD inserts, as do most MIL-STD binoculars. Now you can purchase sunglasses design to function as LIF/LPF from Laser Armor, as well as LIF/LPF adapters for weapons sights like the TA91.
Liam Smith
Coating and filters don't cover all wavelength also high-power lasers can damage coatings. Even they they save eyes/cameras optical device still becomes nonoperational. Filters are mostly against collateral damage of teh laser rangefinders against dedicated laser weapons they are weak. Main protection against laser weapons is international treaties.
Actually ""'less then lethal' dazzlers for crowd control is new hot items for LE and military across the world.
Mason Diaz
This particular defense is 93% efficient. How much thermal power would it take to melt it? Divide by reciprocal of 0.93 to find out minimum laser power requirement.
Christopher Green
then we just put another mirror behind it CHECKMATE
Aaron Lopez
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Isaac Bailey
A LIF/LPF is a countermeasure, it's designed to combat the most common laser threat; Nd:YAG which is most common across both LRF and a blinding laser systems like the ZM-87. This is why vision blocks and optical sensors on combat platforms have a colored tint in their exterior glass, it's a LIF/LPF coating that utilizes a compound like vanadium-doped zinc telluride that help defeat a wide array of wavelngths.
Which is the entire point of a coating or filter…it saves the eyes of the user.
Electro-optic loss is a pittance compared to the loss of a trained operator. Why do you think drones have stepped to the forefront of ISR? Drones are cheap and expendable…better to lose an RQ-9 than an entire LRRP or LRS element. Same principle applies to placing a LIF/LPF on a sensor, you lose a sensor, but retain the operator.
LIF/LPF, are as I said, a countermeasure against the most common laser threat in use Nd:YAG. The point of a LIF/LPF is to provide the user enough time to break visual contact to prevent permanent loss of sight.
Which means nothing, the US is getting ready to back out of an international treaty regarding intermediate range nuclear weapons development/deployment and nothing stops a nation from preforming research for "domestic systems".
Dazzlers have been in MIL/LE inventory for nearly a decade.
Nathan Wright
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Jacob Jackson
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Bentley Allen
The few times Dazzlers actually have been used, they haven't been particularly effective.
Carson Reed
For what purpose?
Joseph Thompson
Just put a fucking mirror. You will look like a disco ball, sure, but it works.
Connor Jones
I don't think I could contain my rage if a faggot broke my nods with their goddamn laser chink light show.
Cameron Cook
laser eye pro
depends on the type of laser
Dazzlers can be lethal force iirc when used to intentionally blind someone (permanently)
I think you mean I L L E G A L as war crimes
just get that high OD bruh, cant see shit, but protection from multiple wavelengths
there are different types of tinting, one is a coating, but the super expensive type is actually a doped glass iirc that stops the desired wavelengths
This, the use of electropotics completely eliminates the risk to the viewer
B.E. Meyers had to integrate a safety because of army fucktards playing star wars vid related
Gavin Morgan
Bullet resistant vests don't protect against all projectiles, but they're still worth using.
Kayden Foster
Yeah, AFAIK glass with a kind of rainbow effect when seen from a side-angle has a LIF/LPF tint coating and glass that appears with a ruby or sapphire hue in color are doped glass.
Kayden Peterson
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Parker Evans
Make a retroreflective mask.
Austin Flores
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Hudson Flores
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Jonathan Ortiz
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Gabriel Gonzalez
Build your own and shoot the terrorist with it. Problem solved.
Jaxon Martinez
tinted windows come on fag, even degenerate druggies use them
