OK, faggots, give me your best most cost-effective plan to turn your average container ship into a destroyer/cruiser or even a carrier.
Don't know if there is a similar thread though.
Honestly, this idea seems more viable than building actual battleships at the moment. Just go outta the sea, capture a bunch of container ship home then militarize them.
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Obviously the cheapest option is to have the container ship lower motorboats into the water. Said motorboats will be remote controlled and full of explosives and/or bricks of potassium that will ignite upon contact with sea water. Then just ram the motorboats into things. If it's cheap enough you can even just ram cargo ships into stuff to destroy just about any naval ship currently out at sea.
But motorboats are easily killed by CWIS or the like.
It's called an "escort carrier". They were used in and around World War II. Commercial Ships are too slow to be viable for anything militarily but escorting other commercial ships.
Are they still too slow, the modern day version?
It's been a long fuck time since WW2.
Faster container ship can reach 30 kn very slowly. The average commercial speed nowadays is around 20 - 25 knots. I think an armed container ship would be viable only as a suicide surprise attack.
just put missiles on it
bam done
You dumb nigger.
Container ships average 10 to 15 knots. You want to put expensive weapons on a ship 200 - 300 meters long, 40 meters tall, with a speed of 15 knots.
Only when empty and with top-tier engines. A loaded ship will not go above 16 knots.
Also, even with an unloaded ship, their turning speed is still abysmal.
Can we re-use the frame but upgrade the engine?
I dunno if that should be more cost effective than building a brand new ship.
Upgrade to what? Merchant ships have the biggest engines out there. I don't think even aircraft carriers' engines can compete.
So what makes the container ship so slow? The sheer weight of it?
Those aren't even the biggest, but they were a short while ago.
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Biggest does not necessarily mean most suitable for combat. I don't really know about the issue but I presume containers focus more on fuel economy and less on performance, same as high bypass turbofans of airliners and cargo-planes vs low-bypass turbofans of fighters.
Still they could serve as mobile ICBM silos and have enough room to accommodate full missile defenses. The only issue would be relative vulnerability against subs but still anti-sub aircraft could compensate a bit for it.
also just keep it as is, logistics win wars and an army will always need to move more shit somewhere.
is it a weight with full conteiners? because l dont believe that husk alone weights so much.
if we cut off the weight of all that trady shit it probably would be lighter
So the bigger container would serve as aircraft carriers while the smaller ones can be made into battleships.
I see the brits have already explored this idea since the Falklands war.
Fucking jews are already on it:
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I think the current world is just a clown world puppeteered by jews since they get to try out all the good ideas.
Without cargo it's much lighter, true.
What is the purpose? Are we trying to create a cost-effective support ship for bombing illiterate goat farmers for Israel, a coastal monitor of sorts or something intended to take the battle to a world power?
For my context, it's too late for my country to start building ship or buying battleships.
But if we just buy off container ships and militarize them instead, we could have ships to counter China in a short time, while leaving the rest of the budget on land force.
also, do you really need ships to do that? cannot you just combat them from the ground? its not some magic shit where only ship can target other ship, just missile it
Considering battleships haven't been used since WWII, I don't think that's your biggest concern.
There's not a chance you can operate them in the Gulf of Tonkin supporting Hanoi, they'd get destroyed in a day. You might get away with having them operate to the south of your country, but at that point they aren't doing anything. The best bet I see for a Vietnamese navy is smaller torpedo boat style craft, defensive subs or perhaps some modern raider (but I don't think that's viable in this day and age).
All of you are forgetting what kind of load an average container ship can take. 10.000 TEU is pretty normal for Suez-channel vessels. That's 240.000 metric tonns.
Or 240.000.000 kilograms of weapons and ammunition you can mount, almost exclusively above deck.
That's 177 Schwerer Gustavs you could mount. Now imagine the same but with auto-loading missile launch tubes and possibly some AA capabilities. That's a globally operating FUCK YOU vessel.
We need to protect the islands.
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Vietnam is a trade hub, so it's quite easy to seize a lot of container ships just going in and out.
Well, don't let someone like me stop you from conquering China with weaponized stolen container ships. Leave your mark in history as the most magnificently retarded tactical geniuses
Have a happy Tet everyone. All the stores are closed and if a restaurant is open it is packed to the brim with people.
Another Viet on Zig Forums, wow, just wow.
FUCK Zig Forums IS DOOMED
Naw I'm an English teacher been here over a year.
Where is a good place to shoot guns over here anyway? Leaving out going to Cambodia.
Wow, I hate your fucking kind.
There is Cu Chi shooting range. But yeah, Cambodia is better if you want to shoot.
Shooting ranges in Vietnam are expensive and the guns are old and the ammo are overpriced.
Why? I will admit that the quality of expat that comes to Vietnam is much much lower than other countries.
Usually just horny whiteys who come and fuck our women, or worse emigrate here fully because it's safe here.
You should get back and fix your own countries tbh.
I'm going to UAE soon for teaching they pay 70tr a month for only 20 hours a week.
BTW the whites aren't as much of a problem as the Chinese and Koreans are. Well in my opinion at least.
At least the chinks and gooks are of the same race, but they are a problem sure, especially the gooks.
Good luck then bro. You can't pay me enough to be in Arabia.
OK, so if it's going to be a combat vessel it needs to be kept as far away from the enemy as possible. Fortunately it's big enough to carry a fair number of long range ASM/Cruise missiles depending on whether the thing you want to wreck is floating or on solid ground. That does mean that its arsenal will end up costing (a lot) more than the ship, but it'll work and require the least modification to the ship.
You will need to either mount a decent radar system to actually see what you're shooting at - or have smaller ships or aircraft feeding it data.
You don't even have to weaponize them.
Just park a bunch outside US Navy shipyards and docks. Congratulations, you have now shut down the US Navy.
Turn it into an arsenal ship missile carrier a la 'Club-K' or LORA;
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…and destroy your enemies with a Macross Missile Massacre in style. This also compensates for a container ship's relatively lower top speed compared to most warships.
What about vertically launched fresh fruits?
Sure, we could try stupid things too. If we're going that route, why not put as many combat wizards aboard with the latest in naval thaumaturgical advances?
This is probably what an African navy would do.
you know it only makes sense to put aircraft on a ship when they can land again on it
indepedently or in communion? whats the optimal slave to master ratio for modern naval warfare?
CAM ships and floatplane scouts would disagree with you, but even then the US Navy experimented with vertically launched and landed aircraft.
Would putting a small runway+elevator on the cargo ship solely for recovering launched fruits be overly unfeasible?
AAC microfighters are much lighter than conventional carrier aircraft and they wouldn't need Steam catapults or ramps to launch either.
l have no idea and l doubt anyone ever triedd that before so we will never know
Go to kanchaburi in thailand if you get the chance and start asking for kah, turbo, or eathan they have some shit they might let you fuck around with if you tell they you know eathans old roommate from wat nong lang
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Not keen on Thailand, haven't been. Also the pay there is bad and they don't respect educated westerners as like Vietnam.
Hell if I was that desperate I'd go home and use my own gear in my safe.
Nah i get it thats why I dipped back to the states but they all run with dirty cops and I've seen them do some stupid shit out in the jungle ( they are as close to a biker gang as thailand can get and eathan is a crack dealer dipping on fraud charges from wales)
Thai have always been pretty smart.
if they always were pretty smart they would migrate away from fucking god forsaken jungle to somewhere nicer
Why didn't old friend Adi just finish you off? And fyi they were never colonized. Unlike a certain "community" of toilet scrapers, lel.
The vietnam war was a mistake because we didn't genocide them all
of course, france defending some shithole full of ugly sand asian male prostitutes
typical
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Oh, and
>supporting (((abandonment of the Fatherland)))
Typical poolish "person".
It basically comes down to what role you want them to play.
I think using them as a stealth attack ship, maybe by adding some fake concentainers full of missile launchers to a regular merchant vessel even. The KMS used fake merchant vessels to great success and the IJN converted a few of their passenger liners into lite carriers.
You will need to work with a real company for this. The ocean is like a highway, and every ship takes specific routes and the numbers of all ships on earth are updated in real time. A ship that just travels around will quickly be stopped by some country's local navy.
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Ironically, bribes in this industry do happen.
Every time we cross the Suez canal we have to pay the Egyptians in money, cigarettes or beer or else they don't show us where the water level is too shallow for the ship. Every time the water level in that area changes and without the Egyptian guides you can end up stuck
also, chink and indian port workers always steal shit from our ship whenever we have to dock for repairs/maintenance. Many newfags think we're just joking or are "rayciss" and they don't lock their cabins, only to later find out that pretty much everything of value in there has disappeared.
Guess you learned something in the North Atlantic then. They do work rather well.
China relies on pipelines and sea trade to survive. Kill sea trade and they'll defend a city cannibalizing themselves waiting on supplies instead of going on the offensive. Even if you lose the war you'll take out millions of your opponent.
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Your average container ship has a paper-thin hull with no subdivision to speak of (very few modern merchants can survive even a single flooded hold) so they're unlikely to survive contact with escorts or patrol boats of any kind, and any attempt to add standoff capability would bloat costs to nearly as much as an actual warship. They'd also be helpless against subs no matter what you do, because it's almost impossible to add sonar to a hull that was never designed to run quiet. They don't even have enough speed to run away if they do run into trouble.
The only potential application I can see for large armed merchants nowadays is for a surprise attack on enemy harbors. Even then, this plan has a lot of problems:
Simonetta wasn't an anime. It was a prophecy. Also when will senpai go full-Zig Forumsolumbine on his bullies?
Ballistic missile carriers.
Unload a swarm of scaled down versions of vid related, launch them from the water, then bugger off before someone shoots back.
That, or pave them over and use them as floating airstrips/helipads.
Look like a giant erection.
you could load a cargo ship down with cruise missiles and targeting systems for actual military use, use it like it's long ranged artillery. but cargo ships are hilariously slow and adding at least 1ft of steel armor to the entire ship would weigh it down significantly.
but you are looking for convoy protection against pirates though, just install a few 20mm cannons, and maybe some leftover flack guns from WWII in case the pirates start armoring up their own boats.
They could be used as mobile artillery support. The slow speed of cargo ships would make them notably worse at it compared to military ships but not so much that they're unusable. Their complete lack of armor isn't really a big deal since any ship that gets hit is pretty fucked anyways, the idea is to always be out of your enemies' range or not show up on their radar. With big enough guns or rockets they can deal with the range problem, but if this is sea-to-sea combat it won't matter how many weapons they have as long as the enemy has a bigger one or can outrun them, at least one of which will be the case against any military ship.
Also they're all but useless for recon since the effort it would take to convert them into a stealth ship would involve replacing the entire hull, at which point you might as well build an entire stealth ship. Their civilian appearance could be useful for a surprise attack though. Fill the crates with disassembled weapons, assemble them while on route to your target under the guise of bringing food or something, and attack when in range. That said, the trojan horse strategy will probably only work once.
Tiny planes.
This is indeed possible
As has been mentioned, this is probably the most retarded idea. They're large, slow, unarmored, and the furthest thing from "maneuverable", but to entertain kookygook's wacky ideas…look into bulk carriers, as they already have built in holds with hatches to hide things. A lot also come with cranes, which could come in handy.
Also, there's too many logistical nightmares to tend to: no port in the world is going to let you in without some kind of company sponsor, company in that country with agents to represent you on shore, and of course orders from a completely different company to carry a load for. You think ships just fucking sail into a port all willy nilly whenever they want? You also probably won't be able to find a "natural" harbor that will accommodate those 40-55m draft monstrosities ala pirates in ye olde Caribbean.
In summation, you would be better served building your own fleet of E-Boot to Torpedoboot sized ships, and outfitting them with whatever bullshit you can buy from eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Africa.
Dude we are assuming a country and its military budget are our main sponsor.
This is no PMC force.
yeah but their ports are even arger and have bigger industrial capacity then the rest of the world, nothing stopping them from just grabbing conteiner ships and doing the same to them, faster, for less
China whole stick about "silk road" isn't about sea trade. It's about land trade.
De facto China and Russia control most of the planet land masses with most of the population and most of the resources.
They don't give two fucks about "blue" sea trading especially transpacific, what they care at most is the control of the one road coastal navigation but if push come to shove they could forgo sea trade entirely, which is why they're building and investing tremendously in new, power-grids, railways and highways to secure land connections.
One of the reasons for the US to back the Kurds could be to prevent a land connection from Europe to China via Turkey.
Not much has changed from the days of Halford Mackinder, the US merely inherited it's position from the British Empire.
You can pack them with explosives, sink a squadron of them at a set distance to hostile shores, then detonate them in sequence to create an artificial tsunami.
The Silk Road is not a fast way to transport goods.
I used to work in textile, the chinks prefer naval transportation first and foremost.
If you block and destroy all the ports, you will effectively shut down at least 30 to 60% of China goods.
Genocide all kebabs in between China and Europe and replace them with chinks and the Silk Road becomes their most cost effective trade route.
l guess its the fate of every modern empire
this gives me an idea
The thing I like about nuclear bombs, no evidence.
Just wait for the Americans to crash into them of their own accord.
Then build some actual fucking warships then, you retarded zipperhead. Fuck, build a fleet of guided missile cruisers, and rule the South China Sea with your superior to any chink navy warship cruiser. Build a fleet of fast attack subs to pin in their merchant fleet. China owns one of the largest merchant fleets in the world. Hell, use some of those cruisers as commerce raiders. You must give them a naval threat if you want your little container ship turnt q-ship to be effective
Gay.
They've got nothing on the Danes though.
If Vietnam can build a fleet of guided missile destroyer or even big frigates, I would not create this thread.
Why can't americans think realistically?
Between "buy some conventional naval forces" and "create a force of experimental modern Q-ships to defend islands that China likely won't bother devoting resources to", which seems realistic?
That’s container ships alone. Merchant fleet tonnage, Hong Kong is 4th, China is 9th, while the Danes are 17th. This is all merchant ships, not just container ships
Fucking pottery, also see
Which option is cheaper and faster to do?
They already had devoted resources to it, they basically serve as China's airbase now.
Again, why can't americans think realistically?
Your ideas are retarded like always, spergook. Why couldn't you have been napalmed?
Fuck FDR for starting shit with Japan. Vietnam would've been better under the nips.
Try it, pussy boy.
Napalm and agent orange are only good for deforestation, not actual combat.
China can effectively seize Hong Kong fleet, legally too because Hong Kong is a part of China by the laws.
The destruction of Shanghai & Hong Kong port would destroy China's trade economy.
De Facto beats De Jure any day of the week. Chia *could* also launch its entire nuclear arsenal at America as a response to the trade war - they're never going to do it though.
That is why there is no need for any country to do it.
No one but muslim terrorists with container ships armed with dirty bombs.
Can't we just invade that pieces of shit already? Their smugness makes me angry.
Which option is going to get any results?
I apologize, I had made the mistake of assuming that you were thinking small scale, of using these ships to defend the islands located close by your mainland. I didn't realize that you were insane enough to think it's remotely feasible to project naval power out to the Spratlys on converted cargo ships when fighting an opponent who has dozens of submarines and surface ships.
No Germany. Bad Germany. If you're going to drag us all into another European war then you can at least do it for a good reason.
Switzerland is one of the HQs of the international jew. Next time you gotta include them to the Reich too.
Bongs celebrate any Pyrrhic victory these days, I suppose
Look, you have 2 people in this thread with intimate knowledge about merchant shipping telling you that this is a retarded idea.
You know what, fuck it. Go one with your faggot q-ship idea. Get them destroyed before they even enter Shanghai harbor so the world can experience sperggook vs zerggook 2.0, electric boogaloo. I’m fascinated in hearing how well the new shit chink bullpups perform.