Orthoprot

I'd think the same too if all I did was read the wikipedia page on the topic. The reduction of the Trinity with the Filioque alone has caused some rather nasty mutations within Roman Catholic theology. The whole "oneness of spirit" part of their doctrine is one of these, where they attempt to blur the line between mankind and God by downplaying our subordinate status to Him.

Even though the Orthodoxy loves Mary and gave her the title "Theotokos" which is greek for "Mother of God". The Orthodoxy doesn't have an unhealthy obsession (like the Catholics) but at least they don't deny prayer to the Theotokos.
Catholics (in general) are just threatened by the Orthodoxy because they hate the truth.

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-SAINT Mark of Ephesus

Hey everybody, get a load of this LARPer! Haha, what a PROT amirite? Everybody knows real orthobros are ecumenicists and LOVE the One True Holy Catholic Apostolic Church™ and can't wait to submit to Rome.

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Who even needs Roman Catholicism when you have Western Rite Orthodoxy now? Come home Latin and Anglican brothers.
orthodoxwest.com
rocor-wr.org

lol no

t.pastor anderson

Why did you use quote marks?

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St. Seraphim of Sarov recommended a prayer akin to the Jesus Prayer but for Mary, and a whole part of your sunday liturgy is devoted to the Theotokos.

We're definitely not threatened by a denomination with even less missionary activity than us.

Question: why do orthos change the names of their saints to sound more "ancient"?

You realize that generally, the wine(blood) is consumed by Priests and people only consume the unleavened bread(the body)?
That page is quite literally telling the truth. Its not even a direct theological blow to Catholicism or anything, some people just feel uncomfortable about it.

The guy's quote actually does sound like something the Protestant reformers would say.

Don't pay attencion to the looks of the site, which is an amateur initiative of some laymen, but to the article of Metropolitan Hierotheos who is an awarded theologian. If anything, those are some major differences theologically and liturgically speaking.

Evangelization is not marketing. Orthodox missions may be less do a variety of reasons (for now) but the people coming to the church are more determined and stable to the message.

Really shows who's the LARPer here

The list is quite huge honestly. Many people on this board who claim that Orthodoxy and Catholicism are practically the same and that they'll be united soon don't understand that, for Orthodox people that means centuries of theology, history and Saints thrown in the garbage (philokalia? basically the whole hesychasm tradition will cease to exist).
And for what really? Because Francis is supposedly the successor of Peter? I hope people can see how difficult that is.

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Weird logic, but alright.

Do you know about the ressurection of Christ at least?

I hope those people aren't as attached to man-made traditions as much as you claim

You know, you could have corrected me instead of jumping straight to the LARPer insult. I was just asking because I haven't seen the practice in other churches. Monks changing their names sure, but its strange seeing orthos using quotes from St. John Chrysostom in arguments, only to find out that they're actually quoting some slav guy who took that name for some reason. So I find it odd, that's all.

You are hardly making any sence. Who is the slav and how is he related to St John Chrysostom?
Yeah if your question was more well putted i could have answer it better. But let me give you a tip: The names sound ancient to you because they are ancient. Many of them come from Saints and Martyrs from the first centuries.

Nothing from the Holy Spirit is man-made

The orthoprot strikes again

Our Church is anything but marketable at the moment.
Pretty funny how you ignored the Theotokos arguments btw.

Hey, you want me to tell you how I know you're a protestant convert?

An orthoprot is a protestant, usually american, that convert to Orthodoxy and keeps many habits and sometimes even doctrines and theological understanding of his previous denomination.
For example an Orthodox arguing Catholics worship Mary because between our form of veneration for here and theirs there are subtle insignificant differences.
The same goes for orthodox giving an excessive importance to KJV english translation and similar things. Also an habit of reading the Fathers with the same attitude prot fundamentalists read the Bible.

I can say exactly the same thing about you.
Orthodox demands uniformity of every single difference of the west, including monastic orders.
If you expect we give up 1000 years of saints and pretend they were under prelest you can keep your provincial church separated for another 20000 years

Catholism also has eastern rite.

I didn't comment on that because i don't know what are the differences regarding the Catholic approach to the Theotokos. I've only read the it's somewhat different to us but i don't know any details.

We didn't start the ecumenical movement and we aren't the ones pushing things. Every Orthodox know that our theological gap is huge, unlike Catholics who usually believe that we are practically the same thing except we don't have Francis.

Since this is another Catholic vs Orthodox thread, how do Catholic anons respond to the argument that, since Peter also founded the Church of Antioch, the Bishop of Antioch should have the same power as the Pope?

Catholicism and Anglicanism are both having some major internal disturbances.

Throughout Acts we see the apostles move around to escape death, so it follows that Peter chose to die in Rome.

mass attendance among orthos is not any higher than among Catholics lmao

In the chase of Catholicism these tribulations were predicted at La Salette, Fatima and other messages.
If only it makes my faith stronger to see it coming true.
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist" it was said at La Salette.

Just like Paul choose to die in Rome also?

It's a silly argument for one thing becaue no one actually holds that position, nor have they ever held. There is no historical argument from the patriarch of Antioch claiming primacy over all of Christendom unlike the Roman popes. Also the see of Antioch was always ranked below Rome relatively speaking. From the early days where the chief sees were Rome, Alexandria and Antioch, they had a ranking of prestige in that order (descending).

haha, no

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Okay, smart guy. You know very well that the Church opposes homosexual so-called "marriages" in her official doctrine, so it doesn't matter what x% of so-called Catholics do. And if you're pointing figures, it's not as if Orthodox Christians are a bulwark against leftism. They vote Democrat (the LGBT party) just as much as Catholics, and that's without controlling for racial factors (chiefly the large mestizo Catholic population).

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Because Evodius wasn't the successor to Peter; Evodius was Patriarch while Peter was also. Peter chose to pass off his succession in Rome to Linus.

If you look at Byzantine Rite Catholic Churches, they venerate saints that the Latins don't. The Melkite Church (which entered into union with Rome in the 18th century) has post-schism saints on its calendar, like the commemoration of Gregory Palamas on the Second Sunday of Lent.

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I copy and pasted from that orthodox site…. hmmm

I've been a Catholic and lived in a few different countries and the only people Ive seen not recieve the wine are really people who take the bread then cant be bothered waiting in line for the wine.

I had a study that showed otherwise regarding the 2016 US presidential election, but I can't seem to find it. Orthodox and Protestants voted ~55% Trump, whereas Catholics voted ~55% Hillary.
Either way, fact is the Orthodox Church stands up against Western degeneracy, whereas the Western churches don't, and I can find you a billion examples of this and the image you posted has nothing to do with Orthodox priests/monks/etc.

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What the fu᠎ck are you doing

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You know what lying will net you. Repent and convert.

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That's kinda weird since St Gregory Palamas was very opposed to the Catholic theology and if anyhting, he was the one to show how different the two churches have eventually become. How do they reason it?

You are posting a pic of some fags protesting against the church because of her anti-LGBT stance. The vatican owns gay bathhouses and i won't go on about Francis latter accomplisment to defend pedophiles and attack their victims for slander (ok he said sorry but the act still stands).

They reason that saints can be in rebellion with popes or something like that IIRC. I think they make the distinction between local and universal saints. They also do this because of traditions. I googled the topic and I found this:
byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/305819/Re: Orthodox Saints for Cathol

You sould take your own advice.

It's still weird. St. Gregory Palamas wasn't in rebellion with the pope but with the Catholic theology as a whole. I can't find the reasoning behind this.

… Orthodox people change their name when they become monastics.
Manuel became Mark when he became a monk.

It is, but I don't know how Byzantines think. It might have been in the spirit of ecumenism, letting the Melkites venerate someone with a heretical position, similar to how Syro Malabars venerate Nestorius.
t. Latin
forums.catholic.com/t/is-gregory-palamas-a-catholic-saint/138920/11
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essence–energies_distinction_(Eastern_Orthodox_theology) I guess the Melkites really believe this

Now is my chance. In the event we brothers in faith do find a compromise and restore both are faiths, whats a good name. Cathlidox or Ortholic?

I always liked 'Cathodox' as both denoms are equal in letters in the name.

So the vatican is letting some middle eastern Catholics to venerate Saints that it consider heretics just for political reasons. Just like Mexicans and their wierd pagan-Christian traditions. Too poor to care about i guess.

tigger, what?

I can only talk about Greeks, but you're generally right. That's more of a libshit, rich, college-indoctrinated layperson's outlook though. Another thing is that we habitually de-frock priests who somuch as say nice things about gay people, even here in Weimar America. The last one I remember off the top of my head was some idiot who sent a card to a gay couple who got married.

And if you want to look at old country…..

Insofar as I know, Golden Dawn is the only political movement that had to have all the leaders in the party thrown in jail and prevented from campaigning to stop them from taking over the country. In terms of my relatives back in Greece, we're basically as occupied by the germans as we were in world war 2. We got plenty of poz back home being pumped into the country, but the Orthodox Church ain't the one facilitating it.

"Christian" ya' big doofus.

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only canonized saints are 'approved' for lack of a better term otherwise any local church can venerate anyone. Besides Catholics don't deny that schismatic churches have grace so they could legit be saints.

Orthodox Catholic.
Both titles were used before the schism, and besides it is formally the title of the Orthodox Church already.

Metropolitan Seraphim of Piraeus is awesome.
His reply to the papist church:
impantokratoros.gr/2B2CE92A.en.aspx

This. The Orthodox Church is the exactly the same it was before the schism, so compromising even a sliver would be beyond idiotic. Papists have to begome or face God's wrath.

Now that’s not a Christian thing to say user. We need to be as one, not have anymore brother wars.

One thing I will never understand about these Catholic priests is how they square all this in their head. Unless they explicitly believe that there really isn't a God.

I mean, you'd expect Orthodox to have dissenting degenerates if it indeed did. Defined dogma is pretty limited and even though scripture and tradition is very clear, they could always squirm their way out of it like Protestants often do by talking about love or "muh context".

But Catholics are 1) literally defined by their belief in a supreme authority that has already ruled on this matter and because of infallibility can't "progress" or change its mind without undermining all of its claims; and 2) obliged to confess all mortal sins as defined by the church or they are literally going to Hell, and it's hard to believe a "LGBT Catholic" would confess their homosexual relationship and thus must know they are going to Hell.

How exactly do you consistently be a "pro-choice Catholic"? Why do they insist on the importance of being Catholic if they don't believe in the chair of Peter? They could just be Anglican.

These are today's questions that won't really get an answer.

The only thing I can come up with is that because the Church went full retard with V2 lots of lukewarm catholics were created.
Because being lukewarm about something defeats its purpose they start not being catholic anymore in general but this would take away their meager existence so they just keep on playing catholic but with (((progressive))) views.

Tl;dr they're just fugging LARPers.

Individuals make more sense to me. I think it has a lot to do with that.

The priests and activists confuse me a lot, though. Like, the existence of "Catholics for Choice." I have a hard time believing they can possibly be anything other than antagonists trying to harm the church.

I mean, priests must know who they are and, subsequently, allow them to participate in the parish regardless. They seem to think "Catholic" is important enough a part of them to be a major part of their organisation. I just don't know why it is so important.

I get not wanting to lose, even just on a cultural level, that part of your life. But thinking your dissent is important and that the magisterium changing its mind on something they've been steady on for 2,000 years is actually a good thing.

I will never get that.

Catholics like to act like they aren't the Schismatics and the other 4 apostolic churches are.

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That's "what the Shinnie the Pooh are you doing" sir

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It's just custom. I guess the Vatican just lets them venerate local saints that Latins deem heretics. They don't follow the heretical teaching though.
catholic.com/qa/are-eastern-orthodox-canonizations-valid

my niggie what

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I mean get out of here. No doctrine supports sodomy. Sodomy is condemned in Catholic church doctrine. Two choices: You know it and you willingly lie or you're dumb enough to think that random statement of pope or leftist opinions equals church doctrine.
If so apply the same on Orthodox. Take pro LGBT orthodox and assume it's the official doctrine of your church buddy.
Inb4 you use 'muh infallibility' search for what it actually means. You know…just before you act like a retard again.

I used to be homosexual; I had homosexual intercourse, I regret it since and I know that it is a cross I made for myself and that I'll have to bear it with the awareness I was the carpenter of it (to quote St. P. Neri). What the pope said is not wrong, in concept: I was welcomed back after I repented and I changed my ways…as usual, the pope said it in a very sloppy way, which is easy to twist into make it look like being gay is okay. I have many vices, but being aware of them and fight back with the help of God first and the knowledge that Him and the community of those He chose for His people is with me, ready to help me and bring me back to Him when I am paralyzed and unable to do it myself is a great gift and joy for my still troubled heart.

Well, the USA is not the whole world…I agree with you that there are bigger issues in our RCC at the moment, but there are also many of us who are standing against it. We have lot of room for improvement indeed, and I admire the steadfastness of the oriental Churches, even wit hall the things I learnt about them from people who once were Orthodox faithfuls but now reject their faith due to the failings of some of their bishops and even patriarchs.

underrated post

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Infallibility applies when the Pope speaks Ex Cathedra though, so I don't think his comments about gays count