so uhhhhhhh where are the christian discussion
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Adam Williams
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Blake Scott
They get deleted. I just found that out the hard way.
Ryder Peterson
Catholic General got deleted, so I will post this here and hope he find it:
I don't see why a different treatment. I claim only to be catholic, and you claim that I'm in error. Why don't just refute all the points, like in all discussions?
I meant that, even if this interpretation is wrong, Fulton Sheen still said that a counter-Churc will be made.
It's obviously not a complete loss of Magisterium. It's to be restored to a greater glory afterwards, meaning Michael wins. If 1000 years for God are like 1 day, what is half a century?
"From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days."
The daily sacrifice in the OT was a symbol of Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross, wich is repeated every Holy Mass.
We were talking about the St Michael Prayer, not the Paul IV bull.
"We have been concerned also lest it may befall Us to see the abomination of desolation", talking about the possibility of a heretic claiming the Papacy.
Leo XIII later composed a prayer for the case were this abomination have already been set up, asking for the help of St Michael in this time of tribulation.
Not necessary no Magisterium, but there is possibility of a really scarce one.
And since this tribulation is unequaled, we don't have how to know what to expect:
For at that time there will be great tribulation, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
'If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.…''
(Mt 24)
"I tell you, He will promptly carry out justice on their behalf. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?" (Lk 18)
(cont)
Leo Rogers
(cont.)
I am not saying that this is necessarily the case, but saints can err too, during their lifetime. Either way, "to confess one God in different ways" is not the same as "adoring the same God".
12 Q. Who are infidels?
A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.
"Because '''all the gods of the gentiles are idols. The LORD made the heavens."
If you agree that muslims and catholics worship the same God, then there would be no problem for you to say "I worship the one that muslims call Allah". Would you do it?
Also, can you please provide the source on this letter? I wish to read it on the full. Original language would be nice too. I see it quoted all over the place, but I can't find the source.
I can't even find any registry on a "King Azir" in the 11th century.
“…diabolical error, when it has artfully colored its lies, easily clothes itself in the likeness of truth while very brief additions or changes corrupt the meaning of expressions; and confession, which usually works salvation, sometimes, with a slight change, inches toward death.”
(Pope Clement XIII)
If the word meant nothing, why was it added to the Rite of Ordination?
Why are you simply ignoring this part?:
"But the form (of Ordination) consists of the words of the preface of which the following are essential and so required for validity"
The problem in your logic is that, in the case of the instauration of a Counter-church posing as the true Church, the counter-church, made by Satan, would accept what is of Satan.
Pope Pius was talking about the True Church, that accepts that especific form that he said.
It's infallible truth that those exact words are required for it to be valid, and the Church would never abrogate a word required for the Rite to be valid.
All he is saying here is that the traditio instrumentorum that is not necessary for the Rite to be valid. He said "the only form is the words which determine the application of this matter", as you quoted.
You're saying that by "daily sacrifice" Daniel meant just "public worship"?
The daily sacrifice in the OT was a symbol of Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross, wich is repeated every Holy Mass. Lambs where burnt between evenings.
Nathaniel Nelson
Zig Forums more like /papist/
Blake Gutierrez
uhh impossible, the catholic mod mafia rules this place, they would never do such thing
Charles Evans
I liked that thread, there was just a lot of nice apologetics in it. Also, could please try not to space your posts so that it becomes an eyesore to look at? You do not need to space every sentence like that.
Ian Moore
The same reason why St. Nicholas slapped Arius who to claimed to be Catholic. Heresy and heresy-ish statement are to be tolerated only to a slight degree.
But you bring it out in almost direct verbatim way that sedememers do i.e. with almost direct suggestion that it was VII that made counter-church.
You do know what "and gates of hell shall not prevail" mean? Magisterium is not something that can just vanquish, not before the very end of end times.
Also, do you forget how ordination works? Ordination come from apostolic succesion and only from apostolic succesion. Only bishop can make a bishop.
And all saints have said that it means that PUBLIC masses will be forbidden and that it will be for three and a half literal years.
And I quoted from what you have titled as this prayer
And he called invincible prince so that it won't happen.
Quotes or didn't happen.
Problem is that if those retarded sedememe teories are right it means exaclly that - no magisterium. For all bishops accepted new ordination as valid, even those who latter objected new mass.
Adore means act of religion offered to God in acknowledgment of His supreme perfection and dominion, and of the creature's dependence upon Him with outward sign meaning the prayer of praise. It also mean "pray to smb". And since confession of faith is such act or relgion Pope says what other Pope after him - we adore one God.
Also, it saying that you cutted out that Gregory also said that "we believe in one God" and "praise and worship Him".
St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A
I couldn't find the full later (or rather I could find it but I am not spending money to buy a book for you). But there are large fragments of it over the web (in latin too)
or though admitting one true God
Same reason why some prayers end by 'Per eumdem Christum…" and not "Per Christum…" - tradition and sound. "Ut" is not esential part of the text.
I do not. I just explains to you "the form is the words which determine the application of this matter, which univocally signify the sacramental effects". Form used by Pius XII "which was accepted and used by the Church in that sense" do not mean that Coptic Catholic form, or Greek Catholic form, or Apostolic form second century that was base for new rite are invalid.
Hudson Lewis
Check the catalog yourself. It's gone.
Kayden Fisher
Maybe, but have you considered that daniel 8:11-13
The "daily sacrifice" "was taken away" could actualy be in reference to luke 9:23-24
and 1 corinthians 15:31
And the taking away of this sacrifice would be the fullfillment of revelation 6:11
The "host" would be 1 kings 1:19
Which is to say the prince of the host would be Jesus, as we as Christians would be the host itself. The "sanctuary" would be in reference to john 2:19-21
So the "sanctuary" would be in reference to the temple of Jesus' body for we are many members but one body and the host would be us since Jesus is the prince of the host. Maybe the reason in matthew 24:15
The "whoso readeth, let him understand:)" was there could be because all the "fellowservants and their brethern" "that should be killed as they were, should be fullfilled" would have already happened in that context. And the next verse as a warning matthew 24:16
Could be in reference to being in Christ, as Christ is the revelation 5:5
So Christians ought to flee to Jesus. That's why matthew 24:17 goes on saying
How do you come off a housetop without going down into it? By jumping off, and possibly dieing. Hence revelation 6:11. Also hence he that seeks to save his life shall lose it.
This board needs to be renamed to /catholic/ in all seriousness.