Redpill me on why the separation of church and state was a bad idea. This has sort-of bugged me for a while now. My own thoughts on the matter, while a bit more complex, is that the RCC is power hungry and as a result has intentionally classified Americanism as a heresy to achieve political ends, whereas there is nothing in scripture to support more than obedience to the public authorities. There is however nothing in Scripture or Tradition to my knowledge to support the idea that the Church should have power beyond its own sphere.
The meme I always get and which seems to me to be accurate, is that the early Church was not a corporate body like the RCC is today and that Christians ought to be against implementing coercion even against total reprobates, the view being that we have more to give and it is up to them to see that they are in error.
I would like to hear why I'm incorrect, or how this should be more nuanced.
Please no sectarian shitposting, I don't even know enough about more than the RCC position on it and I'd prefer not to have a big fight because I want a genuine answer.
It isn't. Also reminder the establishment clause isn't secularism
Carson Richardson
Make no mistake OP, secularism is a cancer and must be destroyed, but separation of church and state has been warped to mean something it's not. Separation of church and state has been warped these days to mean 'separation of religion and state' when its intended purpose was to prevent the church from being corrupted by the state, not the other way around.
states are pretty homosexual, but churches are nice separating the church and the state is for the same reason you separate your bathroom and kitchen
Joshua Lewis
Because the founding fathers of America were freemasons and opposed Christianity. They knew that if a separation of church and state was done then the religion would eventually dissipate.
Ethan Fisher
The West isn't secular. It's practicing caesaropapism, the subjugation of the church to the state. These is no seperation and tha's the opposite of what liberals or leftists want. They want Christians in death camps.
Carter Wood
You're aware that many states have turned more right-leaning recently, correct? Did you miss the kvetching from progressives that hasn't stopped in well over a year? It's not like much of Europe can properly be called Christian, they are slave states under the (((EU))).
Cameron Watson
It might've been a problem in the first 150 or so years of American History, but after Kennedy got shot Catholics began to not care about their religion in general, much less wanting to combine it with American Patriotism/Nationalism. The real problem with American Catholics and other Catholics in the developed world is that they're far too indifferent.
James Hughes
To quote Unam Sanctam:
We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: ‘Behold, here are two swords‘ [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: ‘Put up thy sword into thy scabbard‘ [Mt 26:52]. Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered for the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest.
However, one sword ought to be subordinated to the other and temporal authority, subjected to spiritual power. For since the Apostle said: ‘There is no power except from God and the things that are, are ordained of God‘ [Rom 13:1-2], but they would not be ordained if one sword were not subordinated to the other and if the inferior one, as it were, were not led upwards by the other.
For, according to the Blessed Dionysius, it is a law of the divinity that the lowest things reach the highest place by intermediaries. Then, according to the order of the universe, all things are not led back to order equally and immediately, but the lowest by the intermediary, and the inferior by the superior. Hence we must recognize the more clearly that spiritual power surpasses in dignity and in nobility any temporal power whatever, as spiritual things surpass the temporal. This we see very clearly also by the payment, benediction, and consecration of the tithes, but the acceptance of power itself and by the government even of things. For with truth as our witness, it belongs to spiritual power to establish the terrestrial power and to pass judgement if it has not been good. Thus is accomplished the prophecy of Jeremias concerning the Church and the ecclesiastical power: ‘Behold to-day I have placed you over nations, and over kingdoms‘ and the rest. Therefore, if the terrestrial power err, it will be judged by the spiritual power; but if a minor spiritual power err, it will be judged by a superior spiritual power
Jacob Diaz
Looks like someone took the athiest meme and converted into a conspiracy meme.
