U.S. "Gets Its Ass Handed To It" In World War III Simulations: RAND

Is anyone surprised?
The US relies on technologically superior weaponry, which means they need the most intricate supply lines and the most maintenance facilities/time. None of these things can be reliably secured in a war against a near-equal power.
America's army is fully geared to fuck up shepherds with muzzle-loading muskets, and they fail even there thanks to their retarded "hearts and minds" doctrine.

For fuck's sake, they're building the F35 on purpose to be too expensive to lose. Who builds military gear that's too expensive to risk? How are you supposed to fight a war with that? Bomb a farmhouse a hundred kilometers from the enemy base and hope they surrender?

Well they do seem to realize that needing climate control hangars for fuel trucks is a bit of a handicap even if the plane works as advertised when even the smallest Russian corvettes packs a bunch of 4000 km going Mach 3 terminal velocity maneuvering cruise missile…

The next muttssacre will be baste.

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discarded. if you cant stand behind your statement with your identity, gtfo.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Like very pair of neighbouring nations they informally hate each due, especially due to MUH NCHURIA and silent dickwaving over "World'sNumber2 superpower", but other than that not only they are formally allies and well aware of having a common enemy in NATO but also China, that between them currently has the upper hand in the geopolitical scene and is the one most likely to initiate hostilities, is still dependent to Russia in terms of military technology.

Learn to read, the two war planners are Robert Work and David Ochmanek.

On the bright side, it actually seems like the US fixed its issues with optimistic wargaming after Pearl Harbor, with the obvious exception of Millennium Challenge. The US lost in almost every Sigma game, the first run of MC02 (which people remember more than the replay), the alleged CIA Civil War wargames, and fucked up Desert Crossing '99 bad enough that they ended up saying that you needed 3 Armored Divisions to invade Iraq.

Is this not just an article designed so the DoD can pump congress for more money?

What are all the foreign exchange and immigrants students in USA for?

Soft power buildup. China openly studies kike tactics.

It was a rhetorical question alluding to the fact that a Chinaman cannot visit USA unless he's a high-ranking party member or an industrial spy.
But sure, your answer counts too.

So how much are Lockheeb asking for this time?

Ayy

I see you around and I've been meaning to ask, is there any organized push for gun rights in Poland?

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Still in their infancy given that they just started making F-35 rip-offs while they've been doing rip-offs of soviet inventory that were so blatant they still needs parts from Russia, even their F-35 uses MiG-29 engines.

A ruse, most likely.

I think that's pretty unrealistic. Russia doesn't want to further strain relations with Europe since natural gas exports are so massive for them, China doesn't want to fuck around too much with NATO countries since they rely on imported food and Australian coal a fair bit. They might be extremely important trading partners for each other but I think militarily they won't want to get involved with each other too much. Of course we won't know until push actually comes to shove.

We need moar money for Israel, apparently.

Nobody can beat Israel though.

Natural gas is 6% of Russian exports, it's barely more than coal.
The massive gazoduc projects to China are finishing up this year, with the whole no coal no nuclear BS in Europe and the fact that China is literally choking to death from coal dust, the demand for it will soon be bigger than the offer…
Russia will pick who they sell to, not the other way around, it's their strategy and you can do anything to it (which is what the kvetching about Russia is all about).
If Germans want to not freeze to death in winter they will have suck Russian cocks, and if Germany suck Russian cocks, they EU will.

The thing Russia export the most is oil, want to hazard a guess to which country they export the most of refined oil?
The US (the EU as a whole is far in front but that's always funny), despite the fact that both states go out of their way to trade as little as possible.
The reason is oil will always have customers.
China technically doesn't want to fuck with anyone.
China is "everything under the sky", they're 1/4 of the population of the planet they want to be 1/4 of the economy and 1/4 of the military and not rule the world but be given the respect and tribute they think they deserve for being the center of the world (which is similar but in a very indirect way). Too big to fuck with, too big to ignore.
They're very well on their way to pull it off so either the US will challenge them and the US will use a pretense to wage war against them (threadly reminder that the US has never been in a defensive war since it's foundation. They pretend they do for their population, but all they've waged are war of aggression to further their domination, first over their area then over the planet) or they will just win by default without firing a shot.
Hey wasn't there a guy that specifically said it was the apex of skill?

And even then they had help from several other world powers like the USSR and the UK.

So long as the US maintains MAD everything will be fine, no nuclear power has a military to deter other nuclear powers, they are for proxy wars.

MAD isn't as bad as people make it out to be and nuclear weapons are not a long-term threat. They would set civilization back maybe a century in terms of population size/technology levels due to a shortage of technicians/manufacturing plants (since they mostly live in cities since that's the only way to earn an income fixing shit/making shit), but the only ones who really have to fear the effects of nuclear "fallout" which is far more limited than previously estimated, are politicians and those in power who will lose that power post-"apocalypse." Humanity and most civilizations around the world would be perfectly fine within three generations minus some higher cancer risks.

Bullshit.

The Chinks are gobbling up half the world via SEA and Africa. They are sending hundreds of thousands of spies to western nations via """immigration""".

They are a cancerous bug race that needs to be eradicated or they will eradicate us.

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We need to suppress China or we are doomed.

This can’t be happening.

Rand Corp is source of the study that proves "Wetbacks don't cost us much in Free HealthCare".

They CLAIMED they went door to door in gang saturated East LA slums asking Mexicans:

"Are you an Illegal Alien?"

"Are you getting a lot of Free HealthCare?"

I guess very few Mexicans said "Yes" to those questions to a stranger with a clip board banging on their door.

Actually, no one was going door to door in East LA. (((Rand Corp))) did what they do best. They lied. :)

If someone had gone door to door asking people if they are Wetbacks in East LA, shit would've happened, probably resulting in the Field Agent being escorted out of the area by LAPD.

The only war I can imagine is either a war against it's own citizens, or another bush war in some sweaty armpit. Either way, this doesn't matter. People who jack off about their countries militaries are weirdos anyways.

Please don't space your posts like that, jesus christ.

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It's all fucked in way too many different ways to fix it. The USA doesn't even have a proper geopolitical doctrine anymore, therefore the structure of the armed forces can't make any sense. In the Cold War they were preparing against the USSR, so at least they had some idea about what kind of a war they would fight and against whom. A land war against the USSR. Since the end of the Cold War it's not the case anymore. And currently the federal government is a plaything of small cliques and foreign lobbies, like the Israeli-Saudi alliance that constantly drags them into the Middle East for useless fights that don't benefit the average Burger in any tangible way.

If there was a geopolitical doctrine, then you could start thinking about restructuring the various branches of the armed forces. E.g. you could follow this idea:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History
In this case the US would do the old "Britannia rule the waves" thing, where the Eternal Anglo was happy as long as no European power could challenge them. So they constantly switched their allegiances and played the various European powers against each other. America could do the same thing in a greater scale, so instead of Euope it would be the whole of Eurasia, and also the Middle East. For that you'd only need the Navy and the muhreens, as you'd only have to engage in small wars. Also keep the National Guard as a last line of defence against invaders and little green men, and as a potential reserve if you completely fuck up everything and end up in all-out war. But if that happens, then it's already the end. The same way Britain lost its empire after the two world wars.

The USA's doctrine is 'defend Israel until the Jews have finished infesting China, then commit suicide'. They just can't say it publicly.

In that case everything makes sense and the armed forces work as intended.

See.
The US is gonna attack China, not the other way around.

It's fucked in so many ways…
Priority would be getting half decent AShM to the navy and phasing out completely the Harpoons for AGM-158Cs with a Mach 3 terminal booster.
The problem with that is that to just develop a simple thing as a Mach 3 booster (which shouldn't take more than a few millions and a couple of years) you would have to imprison half of Lockheed Martin or something.
But so many problems are doctrinal in nature and there is no quick fix to that, the only way to quickly fix that sort of things historically is typically losing battles with dreadful casualties and for generals to hit rock-bottom and look for solutions elsewhere than what they spend their whole careers doing.

But for example even despite the clusterfucks of Korea and Vietnam that proved that the two sacred cows of the US military doctrine (over-reliance on air power and the idea that as long as the US can ship soldiers and every supplies those soldiers could possibly need, things are gonna work themselves out. That second part was already a thing in WWII that only started to be sorted out after the disastrous US engagements in North Africa, Italy and the first month of France. The problem was the war didn't last enough to allow for purging all the old generals out of the army, added to the fact that it sort of worked on the pacific theater, that was very much a war of "deliver enough supplies and men and you win" due to the very specific terrain.) the US never really put those in question, despite the hard time they had against adversaries that were nowhere close to parity.

Germany buys natural resources from Russia, because they are cheap and easy, not because they depend on it.
Russia for Germany is like having a little Africa next door, only its not populated by retarded niggers and there is no sea separating them, which makes transport easier.
If Germany decides to cooperate with Russia, it will be because they had enough of the USA's bullshit.

Before we take care of them the (((real enemy))) needs to be taken care of

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Why should it be fixed? Let it all come crashing down, the (((US))) has been around for way too long

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(((They))) are doing this for thousands years and got expelled numerous times from many countries.

Fuck them. The best fucking thing that could happen for America and its military is dragging their asses back home and tearing through the current officer corps like a scythe, wiping out 70% to 99%, the higher up in rank on goes and reactivating and recalling men by the hundreds that remain decent, and rebuilding West Point and Annapolis from the ground up.

The Army should have been shrank even MORE during the 90s. It should be shrank to under 450,000 right now and use the purging as a way to get rid of the trash.

Let the Navy fall to a mere 7 Supercarriers and support vessels if it means getting rid of all the worthless garbage thats piled up since the Cold War, we can retrain and restaff the fleet after its made clear its a fleet worth serving in.

The absolute state of scrubs. Maybe it's time to fire and replace them with someone competent.

Easily doable. Just license a rifle from FN.
Rounds that according to some dont get used and get slated for destruction for dubious reasons, whoch means we purchase more anyways.

The other big issue is that an acceptable round was only finalized in 2011 iirc, in the SEX FOIV Grendel.

The F35 was a total fuck up. As for the rest, like our artillery replacement programs, its just sheer fucking stupidity. Both the heavy tracked one developed in the 90s and light tracked one developed in the Oughts should have purchased.

A lot of the rest was a bunch of dumbass shit that couldnt decide what it wanted to be and wanted to do. Or just crap that was terrible at everything for no particular fucking reasons.

The Bradley and Stryker for example

The entire US military and social security administration need to disband and allocate the funds to the state defences on the condition that they create State Space Marine Corps to support and defend the Interplanetary Space Colonisation Agency controlled settlements.

I know it’s just a fantasy.

No shit. And I'll even tell you where the losses come from – fucking aircraft carriers. Those pieces of shit are great for power projection against shitholes, but are just massive floating targets for an actually serious foe. Russia has plenty of long range missiles to reliably fuck the carriers up and it's not even the only option they have - they can mount torpedoes on fishing boats or use their own fucking airforce to sink them. It's why neither Russia nor China invest in them nearly as much as the US (Russia has one, IIRC, and China has two at the moment. US 20) – they know they will be useless should an actual with USA happen. They literally only exist for power projection in remote shitholes that cannot counter them, so of course US has shitloads of them.

Do you feel in charge?…

This is the kind of thing that could get fixed in an afternoon.

Nah, I was more serious about constructing an effective military.

In fantasy land, that involves a coup de tat that exterminates nearly the entire Federal govt structure, from Trump to random NGO State Dpt fuckpuppet bureaucrats, and the colleges, and then marching west and expelling all the Spics along the way and then taking every ounce of land Polk would have wanted save the Yucatán, and shoving all those fucking Beaners into a tiny remnant of Spicland.

As for the niggers? I wouldnt do much. After the Law Enforcement from federal to city had been purged and restructured, full 2nd Amendment rights would be restored everywhere as would the farthest interpretations of self defense, and every nigger riot would be crushed in a hail of bullets.

And bring back the death penalty for rape and any retard who trips a 50 year sentencing limit.

Then, after a total fucking purge of AIPAC and ADL and Hollywood and all the trash destroying the public education system got rounded up, every Jew who touched that nonsense would face death or expulsion. And the remainder would be given a choice. America or Israel.

The Chinese Chinks wouldnt begiven an option. Death for every Chinese Chink that is caught in America after a particular deadline. The Japs, Koreans and Vietnamese and Flips can stay, but no more.

Annex Canada, and do something similar.

As for gun rights? For firearms, if you can carry it and enough ammunition to fire the weapon at full cyclical rate a mile within 10 minutes. If 10,000 people can do the same, no need for the test. For launched or fired explosives, be roughly as anal as today or more so.

No sales tax on firearms or ammunition or maintenance supplies would be levied or legal.

And only after all of that would I give a shit about the military.

But hey, want to read up on even more reasons the Stryker MGS was and is failure and AIDS?

military-today.com/artillery/v600_commando.htm

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How much of this is due to US military incompetence and how much is due to purposely overstating the capabilities of their enemies and understating their own in order to suck up more US taxpayer money in their goal to further their own incompetence?

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wouldn't submarines fuck the carriers' shit up too? Why aren't submarines important anymore?

I don't get the whole stryker thing. What was it supposed to do again?

This story reeks of the same clickbait article that happened years ago stating that "a WW3 simulation against China was run and the US lost!" when in reality it was to see if in a worst case scenario where preemptive Chinese cruise missile and bombing raids completely wiped out all of Taiwan's air-force and air defense network and there were no carrier groups in the area to assist, could the US Air-force elements stationed in Japan be able to repel an invasion of Taiwan alone?

People always discount carrier groups because they have zero understanding of naval combat. They simply believe because hyper warp 10 lizard missiles exist that in an act of aggression they will all magically embed themselves into the CVN's hull instantly. They don't understand that in order to attack a carrier group, you first need to FIND it. Two thirds of the world is ocean. And if that weren't enough hiding space you have constant combat air patrol, maritime patrol, and electronic warfare jamming flights coming from the carrier to neutralize enemy aircraft and submarines. Friendly subs that can operate with impunity now that the enemy cannot fly their own anti-sub patrols or operate their own submarines due to the air presence that comes with an aircraft carrier and can torpedo the enemy capital ships and launch cruise missile attacks on shore AShM batteries and airfields. Slavophiles simply look at the harpoon which was NEVER intended to be used against the pitiful handful of Potemkin tier heavy Soviet battle cruisers and back at their heavy anti-carrier missiles their doctrine was built on and assume the US will obviously try to fight them head on with light anti-submarine/anti-missile corvette missiles as well because they are too retarded to think of a different way to fight.

The carrier aircraft protect the surface and undersea fleet, and the surface and undersea fleet protect the aircraft.

It was supposed to be a replacement for the cancelled XM8 armored gun system, which was supposed to be a replacement for the M551 Sheridan airborne tank which was retired with no replacement at the turn of the millennia. But it turns out that it doesn't fly so good, and no one wants to try next. actually looking it up again it sounds like the XM8 is back on the menu and is to be brought out of mothballs and tested again in 2020 which fills me with hope

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Every one of them will say America. Your grandchildren will forget what they did and then their grandchildren will do it all again.

I know they were annexed by Poland but apparently 2 of the 3 large German coal mines were in Schlesien, I have no idea if they’re still open and fertile and if there’s enough to provide enough energy for any substantial amount of the country, but other than nuclear I can’t see Germany being self reliant for power. Am I wrong?

Strelok, I know of websites that track current position of all US carrier groups at all times, and both Russia and China happen to have a thing called satellite. Finding a fleet might have been difficult in WW2, but anyone with the money to launch shit into space can now track them easily.

According to a Stryker driver I knew, mainly get flipped over in ditches, spray the Stryker behind it with window washing fluid like it was jizzing on some porn film star, being impossible for niggers to drive successfully, and otherwise trying to be a piece of shit that makes driving an armored cargo truck around seem preferable.

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This was your first mistake, user.

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I agree, user. Let's disband the Marine corps entirely, reduce the Navy so that our operations are specifically within the Pacific area and Caribbean Sea only while granting the Coast Guard control over the Gulf of Mexico. Then we can make it so that enlistment can be pilots in the air force (f they reach E5) to flood the market with cheap pilots and fuck the officers out of their jobs there, and end all funding for the F-35 nonsense while putting real aircraft in the air, preferably something that's cheap and easily shot down but can DAKKA DAKKA quite a bit. The Army standards can be made as strict as the Marine standards (but with Army levels of intelligence because 10 points above the retardation line is still better than mental retardation), and all personnel will have one year to meet standards or be kicked out (with preference being given to soldiers who were kicked out but can now meet standards for the purpose of reenlistment). While we're in the process, eliminate 90% of state-side military bases since they're useless shite, and remove ALL military operations from Europe with the exception of Embassy Marines who, with the disbandment of the Marine Corps, will actually just be federal employees who were required to go through boot camp. Make it so that the FBI/CIA/ATF/etc. have to go through boot camp as well since most of the time they're just failed soldiers who wanted a government job. Then we can destroy the officer corps since 90% of them are just useless paper pushers that could be replaced with either more drill sergeants assigned to actual duties, or computers. Also eliminate social security, defund the IRS, ensure every American has a gun and full rights to use it in self defense, and end the federal reserve. Only then will roughly… 5%? Yeah, probably about 5% of the current issues with the US as a whole be fixed.

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What is your IQ? Sonar pickets, satellites or radar planes & radar stations can track fleets precisely on their own, and while this may be a world shattering discovery to you, China has all 3 and more. ECM and jamming tech isn't nearly as sophisticated as you seem to think they are, either. They can't just magically cut all communication in a certain radius, and it doesn't neutralize jack shit, and counter-countermeasures exist regardless.

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This.

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An AMX-10RC done wrong.

No it wasn't. It was meant to replace the M706 APCs and the M809 & M939 infantry TRUCKS in TRUCK based units as the US (and most of NATO) still had units which primary vehicle was simple unarmored trucks.
Much latter on they stuck a gun on it and pretended it could work, largely due to the competing design the M1117 series that are an evolution of the M706 (under commercial designation of LAV-300 and LAV-600) were capable of it (and being airlifted in both C-130 and CH-53).

Why was the Stryker selected instead of the LAV-300 when the M706 was already in service since Vietnam and everyone was happy with it (to the point that one service didn't got rid of them and ordered M1117 instead of Strykers rendering the whole thing pointless. Then the army ordered the M1200 for specific works) is a mystery of Clinton era procurement (so it's not a mystery at all)…

You should merge it with the Secret Service.
That way you get a federal corps whose sole job is protecting VIP and securing premises with a large enough pool to create internal competition to have the best of them put on presidential detail.

Then again, aren't military simulations the reason nobody knew how deadly mg fire was until ww1 and why the french were doctrinally retarded for over a century? Plus something about how no plan survives contact with the enemy and all that.

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It's how you ask for more money, yes.

Everyone that ever manned a MG knew how deadly MG fire was as would anyone that saw them in action, the problem was the vast majority of officers didn't because only a handful of them had fought with them in the colonies.
But why would the guys that had actually saw combat were not the ones in charge? Because that's how an army (any organization really) works, people promoted are people from within a specific social circle. If you're a lieutenant in Paris in charge of keeping toilet paper up and running you will get promoted to general. If you're leading small units in the middle of bumfuck nowhere you will get at best promoted to colonel then you will pension out, because you're tired of people shooting at you.
Generals with an actual idea of what combat look like only happens in war time. Best case scenario is they saw some combat as a Lt 40 years ago… Except in 40 years A LOT would have changed.
And then there is the thing even more terrifying "those who can't do, teach", those that can't lead combat units nor can make they way to brasshat end up teaching future brasshats…
Officers need careful, but regular, purges to keep an army fit.
What specifically are you referring too? Because french staff officers being retards is a french military tradition, the only time they weren't was the revolutionary/Napoleon era (when most french officers rose to command often from the bottom).
In WWI the whole "offensive à outrance" thing came from French (and British and German and US) officers literally misunderstanding Ardant du Picq work in "Battle Studies" (which is still considered one of the greatest military theorist. Is main invention being: going to ask the soldiers what works and what doesn't… which NO OFFICER HAD EVER DONE BEFORE HIM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND).

Elitism and pseudo-intellectualism is a grave disease amongst officers, and french officers are possibly the worse offenders.

Today I will remind them.

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For clarification's sake, the pictures in Before, could've been taken at any point util 1900's

and after the invention of the daguerreotype in 1839.
sage because just saying.

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Hmm, interesting.

Yeah, they're increasing military funding. Only a big chunk of that goes on "combatting desinformation", aka propaganda.

oh no.

I'm confused, how is aircraft useful against an attack sub who knows how far beneath the surface and which probably has it's own "super duper jamming tech" to fend for itself? Just send out a fleet of attack subs and sink the fucking aircraft carriers.

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Zerg rushing Sandniggers isn't revolution or effective. There's a reason Marine casualties are 3x higher than Army casualties even when completing the same fucking objectives in the same fucking areas.

I highly doubt that.

Are the Russians still using the Shkval?

The US can't even beat farmers with shotguns, of course they wouldn't be able to combat actual world powers.

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Would one be able to find all of the enemy's satellites, though? Besides, there's still radar.

Can't wait to get fucked by kessler syndrome.

But Finland isn't in the list.

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Finland is an ultra superpower, it's unfair to add them.

It's not. Subs will rape the aircraft carrier. It's why Russia gave up on that entire field of thought, selling most of their carriers to China. An aircraft carrier is great when you need to project power to some remote bananistan – locals do not have subs or ships to attack it, their airforce is likely from the cold war and will be easily taken out, and you don't need to negotiate with nearby countries for airfields and can use the carrier as an intimidation tactic (every time US plays toough, it sends the carrier group near the country's coast). It's a great tool for that. But it's useless against an actually powerful foe.

US has most of its holdings across the ocean, so it needs carriers to project the power. Russia is neighbouring (or almost neighbouring) most of its interests and has much fewer of them, so it has no need for them. China is seeking to expand and project its power further and further away, so it's now building more carriers.

The flipside is that building and maintaining this shit eats a lot of money, while having near zero value in a ww3 scenario. Should war with Russia or China erupt, I bet you the first thing US naval command does is immediately withdraw all carriers to port as quickly as possible.

They would've lost against japan too, but since civilians casualties were considered acceptable and they had nukes, they could just terrify them into surrendering.
You can't play by those rules at the moment, and if it was possible again, it would be a big game changer. Making assumptions on basically peacetime standards has some major flaws.

Other countries have nukes now, though. A world war implies its with nations that actually matter, the US couldn't pull out the nuke card without also getting fucked.

I suspect there would be an international treaty banning usage and destruction of satellites in a war very soon. A big chunk of your population would suddenly be deprived of the internet - that's a sure recipe for disaster for pretty much every party involved.

Radar has somewhat limited range, which can be guarded by said carrier's aircraft, among other things. If there's a way to counter that, it's not quite as trivial as you lot make it sound.

Range of modern radar is thousands of kilometres (roughly 3-5k, I think). If you keep a carrier at that distance, how is it of any use to you anyway?

That's not what I'm saying. I mean, them have trouble keeping some durkas in check doesn't mean that they couldn't deal with them if civilian casualties were acceptable. So you should be careful in making assumptions based on their seeming ineptitude in middle east.

The age of the capital ship is well over, and it only lasted about a century. 1870-1970's in and around, the whole idea that super ships dominate naval warfare was a short lived thing and those who think aircraft carriers are naval dominating factors are living in the past. The anti ship missile, the missile destroyer and cruiser, the advanced submarine, all meant that we are going back to the old way of naval warfare where many more and far more equal ships in terms of ability and firepower will win naval battles, not just a few big bois. The aircraft carrier's supposed superiority in the same mindset that it was an unbeatable like the battleship before it is perhaps 50 years out of date. "Muh aircraft carriers" is not an argument for naval supremacy any longer, this ain't the 1940's kids.

Beyond the tit for tat of various weapons, let us remember that Tigers and Panthers eventually lost a war to M4 Shermans and T34's. That German troops with night vision at the end of the war, modern light machine guns like the MG42 and first generation assault rifles like the StG 44 lost to drunken potato farmers with shitty Mosins. War is more than having a better weapon, there is much more to things than that.

Russia, for all of its weaknesses has embraced nationalism and has its people's support. China has weaknesses because it is an empire, not a nation, and is already having troubles with various conquered people within its current borders. But, the nationalist Han know whose side they are on, the nationalist Russians and Persians know who their government favors, other members of the Eurasian bloc know who their government is and who their potential enemies are. During a crisis they will pull together and work in factories, work in fields, fight for their governments. From this position the bloc is extremely strong, to the point it could win the war by itself. They have morale, blood, unity.

The west is committing suicide at a rate where the Eurasian bloc won't even have to fire a shot to take over. The us is at the cusp of losing its position as super power and becoming a big, fat, worthless pile of shit that can't fight like Brazil, followed by Canadia. Australia is already a Han outpost colony. Europe could regain its strength if they become hard nationalist and throw out the foreign invaders in their countries; if they do not they will become a shit pot like Brazil/US and will degrade to a worthless banana republic that can't even hold its own weight up. If Europe turns brown the Russians will just walk into western Europe. If there is a war before then who is going to fight for traitor governments that are backstabbing their own people and committing an invasion, albeit a soft one, against them? Low morale. Will the various European inidginous peoples fight for the corrupt and evil EU and traitor states, or will they simply refuse? Will Germans refuse to fight for the current German regime? What about every other Europe nation? Will the hatred and division of "immigration" which is invasion just lead to 5th column activity, will the people of Europe believe the Russians and Chinese as liberators instead of conquerors? Without hard nationalism to save the west, the west will lose the next war due to "immigration" which is invasion and the divisions and strife they cause.

Such metropolitan are weak and cannot count on or command their own populations. They are already paying off tribes and barbarians because they can't beat them. The west is in preventable decline, but without nationalist revival the decline is terminal. No legion weapons or tactics change could save western Roman empire when the decline came, no F-35 will save a dying America.