Koch thinktank inadvertently proves America would save trillions by switching to socialized medicine

Mercatus (previously) is part of the Koch Brothers' network of thinktanks which allow the billionaires and their cadre of oligarchs to make it appear that their ideas are mainstream by all singing the praises of the wealthy in chorus.

Mercatus's latest research paper is a hit-piece on Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All proposal, in which they use neutral, third-party data to arrive at a total cost for providing every person in America with high-quality health-care for the next decade: $32.6 trillion.

This is a BIG NUMBER, but, as it turns out, it represents more than $2 trillion dollars in savings over the amount that Americans will spend over the same period for partial health care coverage for only some Americans.

This reveals private healthcare for what it is: corruption. Corruption is when a bad system produces privatized, concentrated gains for a small number of people, and broad, socialized losses to a large number of people (not treating my factory's effluent saves me millions of dollars, and I can use that money to lobby for lax environmental regulation; it costs millions of people thousands of dollars each, and though they lose a lot more than I gain, they have to somehow pool the cost of all their losses to thwart me).

In this case, the health care industry uses the billions it earns to deprive Americans of trillions in benefits, including, literally, their lives.

"Even if you take the report's headline figures at face value, the picture it paints is that of an enormous bargain," Bruenig concludes. "We get to insure every single person in the country, virtually eliminate cost-sharing, and save everyone from the hell of constantly changing health insurance all while saving money. You would have to be a fool to pass that offer up."

In 2016, the United States spent $3.4 trillion on healthcare; projected over ten years—and assuming costs don't rise, as they're expected to—that's $34 trillion. By 2025, the current for-profit healthcare system is expected to cost a staggering $5.5 trillion per year.

Additionally, America spends far more on healthcare per capita than other industrialized nations—most of which have some form of government-funded universal healthcare—and achieves worse outcomes.

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Corruption is when a bad system produces privatized, concentrated gains for a small number of people, and broad, socialized losses to a large number of people

That’s before you get to the bad outcomes caused by built-in inefficiencies and the additional costs incurred to the economy by the parasites and middlemen who exploit those inefficiencies for their own gain.

In any case, I’d like to think the MSM headlines on this report would be similar to yours (e.g. “Mercatus Institute Study Proves Medicare for All Proposal Most Cost-Effective”) but I doubt it. Besides, right now the bigger story about the Kochs is how they and Il Douche are feuding over the future of late-stage capitalism in America: will it be exploitation of cheap labour and transnational corporations over-riding national sovereignty or will it be xenophobia and brain-dead protectionism? Stay tuned!

A couple things here - we can assume that the $2 trillion is the absolute floor of potential savings, because of course the Koch-funded think-tank-wanks did their absolute best to inflate the cost-of-Medicare-for-All number as high as they could, using the highest-range estimates they could. So we should probably be saying “at least $2 trillion…”

Second thing: we can’t have healthcare reform without UBI in this country. Those absolutely have to go together. Why? Because the insane, balls-out crazy of our healthcare system in America is, by design or by accident, basically a make-work jobs program funded by middle-class payroll contributions (aka health insurance premiums). The second you remove all the horseshit administrative jobs (and we should!) created by all of our inefficiencies, we’re going to be dumping tons of Americans onto the unemployment rolls with no sector capable of absorbing them.

As of right now, healthcare has been sucking up a huge portion of the jobs that have been lost from other sectors. It was getting unsustainable until Obamacare/the ACA dumped a bunch more money into the system via mandatory insurance (although it was more than a little shitty to fund it through lower-income earners), but it was only a band-aid. We’re also on the cusp of the transport industry shedding an apocalyptic number of jobs when self-driving vehicles hit the road en masse in just a few short years; having both socialized medicine and a job-pocalypse in transport at the same time? Ooooh boy. It’s gonna be the Great Depression all over again unless we find a way to keep everyone participating in the economy.

Even for those few people on BB that say shit like “you can’t pay people to not work!!!1!” because they don’t understand economics, you need people to buy shit or the economy collapses, because then other industries take a massive hit, and they lose jobs, and then those people are unemployed, and then they can’t buy shit… And pretty soon the previously-wealthy realize that you can’t eat money, and a whole hell of a lot of people need to have incomes of some kind in order to sustain the whole infrastructure that keeps them at the top.

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Look how great socialized healthcare is working for Canada. Their citizens come to the US for treatments.

Same here in the UK.
When some kid gets a really bad disease we all chip in money to send him to the US.

And now put that sentence in relation with Americas social backbone...the welfare recipient. All the fatsos, the niggers and kikes would crush free healthcare with multiple visits on any given day. Never underestimate the destructive force of the 'gibs me dats'.

Nice ancedotal non sources there. America is a shit hole and the GOP will keep it that way because they and their dimwitted voters think that people getting treated=communism which that too magically leads to hell on earth. Fuck them, fuck you, and fuck Trump.

That's because the US has better doctors, not better overall healthcare

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Its because they have equipment and treatments that we dont offer.

The big problem with the NHS is that they dont get any extra money for keeping you alive.
If they give you an expensive live prolonging treatment that just means you are a burden on them for longer. If they refuse you treatment and you die that frees up resources to use on others.

Look you can argue all you want about private vs socialized medicine. But until you eliminate all the Jews, niggers, spics, etc. it's all just talk. No system will work in a multicultural environment. All these socialized healthcare countries are going bankrupt because the waves of immigrants are burdening the system. All the private ones are dealing with the same. The Jews are behind it all and making a pretty shekel too. A white nation could problem make either system work.

America would save trillions by switching to gas chambers for degenerates

They would use the Australian hybrid private-public local/state/federal medical system model and it will help them enormously. Many Aussies have both public and private insurance but many prefers to use the private hospitals when the public hospitals is unable to provide the medical cares though.

Women are the largest consumers of healthcare. More than enough of my taxes go to support women's services already. Fuck them.

Just because the healthcare system is corrupt doesn't mean we need to make it more corrupt just to save money. Fix the problem not the symptom.

I support socialized medicine and social welfare bux to be thrown around by the government only when a strong border is created and enforced. Until then, fuck trying to get me to pay for Pablo's wife's hospital visit.

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We could save trillions if we didn't have 30-40 million beaners living on welfare and using emergency rooms as their primary healthcare.

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really makes me think

you got btfo, time to give it up you stunted communist stooge

this is your brain on drugs

care to back up that statement with some proven statistics?

and I'll just make my future post now…

didn't think so!

and how do the worlds best doctors feel about universal healthcare? universal healthcare + webmd = blackhole

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lol there are plenty of statistics on hispanics abusing our welfare system. They take everything they can get, have babies for free and take more. They get paid to replace white babies because white people hate jews and are harder to control.

People are literally dying in emergency wait rooms up here, also: if you need to see a specialist of any kind, it's about an 8 month wait.
That's ok though because cheaper prescriptions , I guess.

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fyi, if you're in an emergency wait room, i wouldn't doubt that there's at least some small percentage of people that die, regardless of which country or healthcare. it's supposed to be for emergencies (although a lot of people go there when they have conditions like a cold)

which country are you talking about? i'm in canada and while much has been made of wait times, I've been referred to a few specialists and never had to wait more than 3 or 4 weeks.

Dude went to Canada to check out that great Canadian healthcare but the dick sucking faggot mods deleted it.

The problem with healthcare is the inherent Judaism and within behind the system, not the concepts of these systems. I mean, look at the doctors, clinics and hospitals making millions and billions off Jewing the vulnerable sick and dying of their money. Where people spend years paying off medical bills, and people losing everything for treatment.

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Do you know what else would save Trillions?
Revoking citizenship from and removing Blacks and Hispanics from the country.
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If you have money, the US is fucking fantastic

More like NHS won't pay for treatments that show little chance of success. Example: Opdivo extends life for one of seven late-stage cancer patients while causing extreme side effects in half of them. (Translation: Of 14 patients, two are helped and five endure more suffering in their final days.) NHS said no thanks; We let Bristol Myers Squibb sell false hope on television.

its actually more like the NHS will ACTIVE STOP YOU SEEKING TREATMENT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY IF THEY DECIDE YOU SHOULD DIE.

Absolutely this.
Canadian healthcare is far far from 'free' and I'm not even talking about paying through taxes. Also wait times are ridiculous.


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Deregulate healthcare. Make it easier for hospitals to compete and universities to open medical schools and pump out extra physicians and specialists. Save a lot more than 2 trillion.

We need more hospitals and cheaper physicians, cheaper drugs, cheaper specialists.

The high cost of acquiring medical education and licensing is artificial. The liaison committee on medical education is only one example of a medical guild intentionally limiting the number of licensed professionals and driving up costs.

Socialized medicine could help save billions if it means cutting people off from medical care and promoting euthanasia for treatable illnesses.

Of course, you or your loved ones could get treated like sacrificial lambs but at least the numbers would look nicer and apparently that's all too many people really care about.

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It doesn't help that if you need care that's not an emergency but more important than a doctor's visit/after-hours, you have to go to the ER because there is no other option.

There's an excellent video (I think /liberty/ has it) showing how doctors used to be cheap/insurance was more of a community thing until doctors bitched up a storm to form the AMA on the sole basis of doctors thinking it was "beneath them" to have to serve the poor.

Here we go.