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Anything that costs $700 or less.
They outsourced production to some assholes who have never done it before so returns and warranties were sent in because of various defections ranging from cosmetic to functional. I'd rather buy a barebones M&P or Glawk and spend the rest on mags and ammunition.

no shit, but as you might've deduced from the flag, I'm not familiar with handgun market enough to know all the sub 700 dollars superior alternatives to the powerpoint gun.
Maxim 9? hi-point?

Any Hi-Power derivative. Given your proximity to Czechia, I recommend the CZ 75. It's the grandson of the M1911 and it's fucking flawless.

In America you can generally get a Hi-Power clone or a CZ75 (original or clone) for less than that. For that $700 you could also buy two striker fired polymer framed pistols that are of good quality.

They charged 1100 dollars for something that only provided incremental performance gains over the competition. On top of that, they shoot low out of the box, and aren't any more accurate than other handguns. Most of that area in front of the trigger guard is just empty space, it consists entirely of moving the recoil spring a bit lower and wasting a lot of internal space and adding weight for no reason.

It has only two real advantages: bore axis and muh straight-pull 1911-style trigger. The bore-axis is only a little bit lower than the competition, to the point that no regular shooter will notice the difference. Professional competition shooters that would notice the difference will go for the Laugo Alien, or a different design that has a more substantial impact on bore-axis. The straight-pull trigger is nice, but A) only some people even notice a difference between the two and B) even for those people, the difference is so incremental it only matters to competition shooters, but because the rest of the gun isn't optimized towards competition, it really doesn't make any sense. I might see this being a viable design at 600 dorrar, if you're the type of person who's interested in """""unique""""" designs, but at anything higher it's a useless gun.

Thirding CZ derivatives, the CZ-SP01 phantom is basically the CZ-75 updated with modern features and it's top-tier. My second choice after that would be Steyr's line of pistols, if you're looking for something striker-fired rather than hammer-fired.

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Literally what the fuck were they thinking?

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They were doomed to fail.

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Looked up C96 and Luger-p08 for sale.
you could get C96 for 800~ and P08 from 1917 for only 200 dollars more, what the fuck, who would buy this piece of shit?

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For 1100, I can get a vepr 12, a drum mag, a box of ammo to fill up said drum mag, a bottle of vodka, some watermelons, and some gas to go to a nice spot where I can get drunk and blow up said melons. Then after a good nap, I can stop by a decent burger joint for dinner and still have some dosh in my pocket at the end of the day.

My personal favorite. Trigger could be better, but otherwise pretty flawless. The SP01 line is an awesome update to the already fantastic CZ-75 platform.

Not to mention, at 1100 its in direct competition with glorious Shadow 2. If someone really wants muh bore axis, steyr m9 exists for less than half the price. Even if it had no other issues, it would still be a pistol for no one. Hudson owes surviving as long as it did entirely eceleb shilling.

hopefully the wife will do porn now.

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If you exclude the slide made for the hands of dwarf chinese children

Maybe if you have rheumatoid arthritis. I've never had problems handling any wonder nine, revolver, M1911, or not-Glock, and I have small hands. I'm looking at my next purchase to be a Rock Island Ultra FS HC in 10mm or an FNX-45 Tactical, actually.

Here's the interview. I'm too lazy to provide a timestamp, but you should listen to the whole thing anyway.

Don't forget, they hired "CAD guys" who never worked with firearms. There is an other video with them where they show the prototypes, and one of the first ones had a ridiculously thick barrel. It's because they used an M1911 as their basis, and they kept the .45 ACP barrel for the 9mm gun.

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just get a good 1911

You can get them for under $400. Maybe you should try not being a faggot. Single action only is definitely the master race for smooth shooting, but that doesn't excuse your homosexuality.

t. owner of RIA Tact-2011 and Sig P229

at least it's not 9mmicropenis

Are you uneducated or just a nogunz?

At that point you might as well just get a revolver chambered for a decent cartridge. The .45 ACP was designed to replicate the .45 Schofield, and the magazine only holds seven of them. How is that better than a seven shot revolver chambered for .357 Magnum?

you know Hitler i remember when the FW fags went full damage control when people said it was to much money.

Glad they failed honestly.

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1100? I remember when it came out it was 1500.

8 shot revolver in .357 mag tbh

You can have an additional round in the chamber of the 1911, so that's a fair point.

8+1 capacity in an RIA pistol tbh

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And if you insist on using a .45 at least get something beefy enough to handle a conversion to .45 super

Go home buck angel, nobody thinks you're cool here

Come on.
In a sub-$700 1911? Yep, probably. There are exceptions, of course.

We're just talking personal preferences here, sir; no need to be shitty. The fact is that both the CZ 75 and 1911 are great designs with a lot of history behind them, and both have their place.

Sub-$700 1911 pistols have shit springs/extractors, $700-and-up 1911 pistols are too tightly fit out of the factory and seize up through friction until the edges are worn down.

youtu.be/CQeezCdF4mk

I have never had a single malfunction out of a thousand rounds in my RIA, which is a $600 pistol. One hangfire, which can be blamed on a bad cartridge, probably a primer issue. 'nine ten levuns jam lolol' is a retarded myth, unless you buy Kimber or Colt like a nigger.

So what you're saying is Glock is for the high IQ operator and M1911 is for brainlets, got it.

Like I said, there are exceptions. RIA is one of them. Same deal with double-stack magazines: they're the exception.

I was mostly just knocking 1911s because

was being a jackass.

As I said in

No hard feelings, friend. At the risk of pissing you off even more though: do you really consider the manual safety of a 1911 optional? In other words, would you comfortably recommend carrying condition 0 to the average person?

The average person? No. I carry C0 and am perfectly confident doing so because of my training and because of prior experiences where I've had to defend myself, and I know that in any future situation I am not willing to risk the extra step and the extra quarter of a second that's involved in making sure I flick the safety during my draw. The average person, on the other hand, is either not a gun owner or barely knows the minimum to handle one, most people are not willing to carry, and most that carry don't do so seriously and responsibly. C0 is a technique for people who have the mentality to act quickly and without making mistakes.

Since the average person makes up retarded excuses like 'I don't carry my gun because I feel dangerous' or 'it's too heavy lol', I don't trust them to be able to make good judgement in a stressful situation. So, for them, a safety is good. If you intentionally practice with turning the safety off as a main part of your draw, you can get very smooth and fast with it. It's just not my personal preference. Honestly? I wouldn't mind having a pistol with no grip safety either, because those can pose a potential risk of failure to fire, but that's a compromise that I'm okay with in a non-custom gun. It's my job to retain my gun and keep my grip tight.

The average person does not practice or leaves their gun at home every day, though, which is a damn shame.

don't buy cheap shit, and clean your gun
because single-action only, which is objectively the best trigger.
Glock faggot
ditch bitching again

I assumed he wanted a semi-auto. My next suggestion would indeed be a .357 magnum revolver.
Here's what sucks in the gun world:
1)double/single autos
2)9mmicropenis
3)Glock faggots
pretty much everything else is g2g.

ol ditch bitch again
your gay Glock jams, buck.

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Now that's some quality kikery

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all you heebs shitting on a man that put his life's savings on a passion project handgun just because some cumlord satanist endorsed it. i'm saddened by Hudson going down, I hope someone buys them up.

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He did it to himself and there is no pity here to be found. fuck off ian.

its like buying a DeLorean.

obviously there are reasons the rest of the world don't do it like that, but what the hell

auto mechanic buddy's shop does lots of work on DeLoreans. owners are all "Smart people who spend their money on stupid shit".

Typical kike bastards. Someone should go Tarrant their asses.

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I never even mentioned a Glock, friend. The CZ products that I did mention have a faster, simpler takedown procedure than a 1911 as well.

But we're literally talking about sub-$700 guns. As it was mentioned before, not all cheap 1911s jam, but it's pretty damn common in my experience.

I wasn't even going to bring up the caliber debate, because it usually doesn't do anyone any good, but there's no reason to knock 9mm. It's a perfectly decent round with pleasant recoil characteristics, it allows for high capacity, and although it may not expand to the same extent as 45 ACP, it does reliably expand more often and is quite capable of offering deeper penetration. Plus, it's cheap.

The idea of double/single action "sucking" is just silly. Single action clearly offers a better trigger pull (in the case of stock pistols… customization can really narrow the gap) but DA/SA protects against negligent discharge without having to worry about disengaging a safety (which can be overcome with training, of course, but still.) DA has one more benefit, though, which is that if you get a light primer strike you can pull the trigger a second time to give it one more try.

Understood, and agreed. I wasn't knocking you for your decision, I just wanted you to clarify your opinion.
Hit the nail so hard on the head here. It almost makes me want to live in a state that require hands-on instruction to acquire a CCW license, because
is a moot point if they're not confident with ANYTHING. It is a damn shame.

Wat?

Sorry, it's gone now.
But there's one with matching stock for 1030 on gunbroker.
Not sure what burgers use to buy guns online, is it a legitimate site?

It is really iffy. You arent sure what you will get in terms of product description. I only see C96s at my local gunshow go over $2000.

Let's be fair, gunshows mark up their prices to retarded prices.

Is the GWACs lower good? Anything new about their new production since they announced they needed to change locations in January? I hope their new version has an 80% option. Durability of aluminum with the ease of milling polymer

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It's a shitpost.

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Negligible for 556?

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To be fair, they made the lower with the material in mind and it's not a 1:1 copy of a standard lower.

get fucked

Retards think recoil management is "muh feelz" and bruising shoulders and pain. Its not, its about how fast you can pull follow up shots in string and otherwise rapid fire. You can shoot faster better with a heavier gun, therefore yes even in 5.56mm a heavier gun will mitigate recoil better and provide faster follow up. Another great reason why they are getting all teh kids to put heavy rails filled with shit on the front of their AR's is to make up for the fact that the AR15's front light design turned out to be a flaw instead of a feature. Easier to control a heavier gun.

Literally nobody said that. Muzzle rise determines the ability to put quick follow up shots in rifles, not recoil management. Recoil management is a term usually used for pistols because that's where recoil management and muzzle rise and almost synonymous. Heavier gun =/= easier control, if you transition from target to target the inertial mass is greater with a heavier gun making it even harder to control, hence why the cool slick comp ARs are light as fuck with huge muzzle comps. Of course everything can be mitigated with training, training is the great equalizer here, but don't make retarded statements like "You can shoot faster better with a heavier gun" that's just not fucking true.

people bitch about the 1911 takedown because there's pretty much nothing else to bitch about.
I hate people like you. You are a moron. All guns will jam. The only reason Glocks jam less often is because Gaston removed 25% of the chamber and lowered the feeding ramp, and that's why Glock is really good for nothing besides 9mm. Otherwise the difference in "jamming" is meaningless and is contingent on at least a few factors.
The reason 9mm has "pleasant recoil characteristics" is because the 9mm is weak. It's simple physics. If a round is weak, then it will have light, easy to control recoil. If a round is more powerful, it will recoil harder. The force has to go somewhere. 9mm faggots want to have their cake and eat it too, but no, you're wrong, I'm afraid. The 9mm is easy to shoot and has a "high capacity" for a reason; it is a weak round.
because it is a weak round. It requires less brass, less powder, and less lead, because it is a weak round. Since most gun people don't actually shoot, 9mm is popular, it's a nogunz round, which further drives the cost down, and even so we're talking about a few cents compared to .40 and .45. If you can't afford a few more cents per round to shoot, then you shouldn't be blowing your money on guns at all, you have bigger problems. The 9mm is so weak that the 9mm shills upfront openly admit that they have to use high pressure, bonded bullets to get their expansion and penetration, and that without such ammo the 9mm would be inadequate. So right there out the window goes the cost and recoil arguments.
no, they're shit. The whole idea of double/single is centered around people having no idea what they're doing, so the Germans in WW2 just made the first pull on the p-38 absurdly heavy so they would stop accidentally shooting themselves. Tactically it is inferior to a manual safety, especially on SIGs with their "SRT" trigger; you go from a massive 10lb pull to a microscopic sub lb pull and is totally disorienting even with extended use. The 1911 external safety is uniquely ergonomic, people have said this over and over again.
Hudson was a gimmick gun that used a gimmick round and was designed by low-IQ people. The whole gun industry right now is shit, it is purely gauged around cost obsession and limp wrist pussies, and there's a lot of guys out there who realize this and are tired of it. Hudson should have built a gun from the ground-up for the 10mm given that it is making a comeback these days, a CC gun designed specifically for 10mm, meaning a p229 style heavy slide and steel frame. I can hear the 9mm pussies now coming in to bitch about "muh weight." I HATE you fucking people.

does anyone still like these fags?

Recoil management has to do with bolt/slide weighting first and foremost, body/frame weight is negligible. If anything being front heavy HELPS recoil management.
Lightweight bolt is retardation, lightweight body isn't.
Retard.

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This. Just go read about the alien and all you can see are mutts harping about why i
Doesnt a new, premium made, open division pistol actually nevah been done befo cost less than 1.5k shekels.
Modern amerimutts are not just retarded. They are mouth breathing entitled subhumans
Which is why the shitson h9 existed and went dead in less than an year.

The SCAR seems to get along fine with a polymer lower, as well as the beretta ARX. So long as the upper receiver stays metal and the polymer is chink airshit tier, its fine in theory. I haven't heard of anything like this other than the ATI omni which is complete garbage, though.

isnt…isnt cheap shit. fug

the plum crazy lowers are completely polymer. though i won't buy into the shilling put into them. they come with a lifetime warranty though, make of that what you will.

Just picked up muh hudson. Less than 650 freedom sheckles. Ask me anything.

No you didn't, nogunz.

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How is it, any problems yet?

Did you use some of your foreskin as payment to get that discount?
Take it apart and show us its insides. I wanna see what one in the wild looks like not a show piece slathered in karls jizz

I bought into the meme, its very light weight and is just as structurally sound as they said, but the uncaptured cross pins are too tight to disassemble by hand and I don't have the time/will to file the holes. Want it? $100 firm, will send via ffl to your ffl.

The issue with poly AR lowers is due to the receiver extension area being a thin weak area prone to snapping. The other guns don't have this issue since those lowers are like an M60s or older H&K style, just grip and fire control group nothing else.

sage for double post

Have yet to shoot it.

Its pretty obvious why it cost so much. There are way too many milling operations. Just look at all the cuts in the barrel.

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Overengineered piece of shit

If someone told me that the round part of the barrel wasn't made in a lathe, but milled from a solid block of metal, I'd believe him. I can barely find a geometry that actually does something useful, yet it's full of small cuts for no reason whatsoever.

Unfocused vertical vid because life is meaningless. For what is worth I put about a hundred rounds through it without a hang up.
Its a shame they couldn't iron out the production and whatnot.

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Goddamn it.

Found the fudd

Don't be breaking rule five now.

Aren't both of the Hudsons veterans?

While putting your money where your mouth is and trying to create something new is very admirable, they were by all means retards to try to jump into the firearm industry. No one's going to buy a 1100 dollar pistol when a 600 dollar Glock will do the same damn job. They should've just bought government bonds with their savings instead.

That and there's the fact that, as far as I'm aware, these guys didn't have any sort of engineering, metalworking, or manufacturing experience. They just figured they'd jump in feet first and outsource what they needed to.

Welp, that didnt last long…

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lmao, stupid mutt gun broke
Whoever could've seen that coming lolololololololololololololol

All that fucking milling on the barrel, shitty steel or both?
For shame user, you could have had 20 moist nuggets for the burgerbucks you payed on that thing.

Guess the thread speaks for itself now.

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Could you take a few picturse of it outside of the slide and from different angles? I want to see that crack real good.

I think it was a factory double charge… still should have handled it better. I took somthing to the face and glasses tho, bled like a stuck pig.

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