Was he right about the aerial toll houses?

t. lukewarm cradledox

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Look for a plank in your eye, instead of bearing a false witness.

It's out, it's less convincing than Fr. Seraphim's much shortr work, and it's more church politics than it is content

Do you not realize that tollhouses are largely an ethnics thing?

Says the guy who calls Fr. Rose an ameritard for believing something that countless other Orthodox believe.


Sure, but I was mostly responding to his first statement about people leaving the Church.

Yes he's an ameritard and not just for that, but his other """"works"""" too, that materialises the Orthodox teachings. Understandable due to his former ties with far Eastern garbage.
As for "numerous Orthodox believe". Universal salvation is also a common belief. Why don't you believe that?

No, it's a gnostic myth adapted to Orthodoxy.
The gnostics believed man had to go through several aeons to reach divine pleroma. Each of these steps had an archon trying to prevent the ascent of the believer.
He just turned this into the toll houses trial with a demon and an angel.

It is not however entirely out of nowhere.
St. Antony the great had a vision describing something similar to the toll houses, in my opinion this is to be understood as an allegory of individual judgement.
When a man dies he has to face all his sins and sinful habits.
I believe toll houses are a metaphor, not an actual spiritual reality.
Same thing as the ladder of Jacob, there is no ladder nor toll houses, just visions to explain what happens to our human senses.


You guys act like this but I've seen plenty of awfully unprepared priests from your flock. Don't forget Ware is a convert too.
Cradle Orthodox are good people with no larping involved, unlike many of yours who like to pick a fight about everyone for everything because you are "oh so special and joined the truest true church".

Yes, people left the church and I was personal witness of that. It took me some time, but after I convinced that it was gnostic garbage and not cite orthodox teaching, they became more open to Orthodoxy again. Fear caused by this abominable teaching is doing more harm than good.

What you said about metaphors is how palamas describes it. And it would actually be a nice teaching if it weren't for degenerates that want to induce fear of demons that demand masturbation tax.

A word requires to be spoken about Fr. Rose in depth.
He tries to mask it with his absolutely uncompromising attitude about everything, but at his core he was a perennialist in denial.
He started to be interested in metaphysics by reading Guénon, he had a great knowledge about taoism, the tibetan books of the dead, the egyptian book of the dead, and other eastern stuff.

If you compare Orthodoxy and the religion of the future with his other works and life his dissonance is evident.
In that book he show a narrow, claustrophobic view of Orthodoxy going as far as to suggest the Patriarch of Constantinople to be in heresy, basically restricting the true Church to small groups of russians in exile and old calendarists.
He talks of eastern doctrines as if they are 100% demonic lies, and yet he his also the inspirer of the book "Christ the eternal Tao". This book was written to show Lao Tse to be like Plato, a wise pagan, who through his effort and human wisdom, was able to catch a glimpse of the truth about the Logos/Tao (Christ).

tl;dr he acts as if everything outside his small group of uncompromising Orthodox is 100% wrong, prelest or demonic. But in truth he never fully believed it was so simple.

Last problem is he spread the prelest meme against ALL protestants and Catholics. With the result that now many enthusiastic but misguided Orthodox converts throw dirt against people like St. Ignatius of Loyola (who was valued by St. Nicodemus the Hagiorite, author of the Philokalia) or St.John of the Cross (a man who respected every single teaching about no imagination and was called "a western hesychast" by Father Sophrony of Essex).
This attitude was a very bad fruit many converts got from him.

I hope nobody takes this as if I'm shitting against him. His book "Orthodoxy and the religion of the future" helped me to leave eastern religions.
But having been a perennialist myself I can perfectly see where he was liying to himself.

the problem is larpers not understanding
"dude LITERAL tollhouses", no that's not what it means. basically demons trying to accuse you of sins in various stages
orthodoxinfo.com/death/tollhouse_pomaz.aspx
just ask any real priest (outside of usa of course)