This a bread to discuss silly alt-history scenarios that would be nigh impossible from a physics standpoint but could still be fun to shitpost about for their sheer absurdity.
Anyhow I've been wondering how WW2 could've turned out if Thule society memesters had used ancient Annunaki magicks to open a 3x3m Stargate between Königsberg and Hsinking by pure luck just prior to the fall of France, allowing for the instantaneous transfer of men and materiel between Japan and Germany over a distance of some seven thousand kilometers. How deeply would the German and Japanese militaries have cooperated in such an event? At the minimum I can see the Nips abandon their plans to attack burgers in the Pacific assuming Nippon still gets sanctioned in favor of creating german-trained Tank battalions equipped with license-built Pz. IIIs for the purpose of doing a joint Barbarossa.
Ideally the Luftwaffe and IJN/IJAAS would conduct joint trials and arrange for Japanese aircraft to escort german bombers deep over British territory during the BoB, leading to Nips abandoning their turn fighter autism in favor of cannon-armed high speed energy fighters. The Kriegsmarine could speed up construction on the Graf Zeppelin and train its crew on Japanese carriers in Asia while the Nips would get german aero engines amid a host of german aircraft designs to directly compare against their own. Germans could import centimetric Radar from Nips while in turn fixing Japan's crappy AEW doctrine, Nips could sell Type 91 torpedoes to Germans in return for the J1N and Ki-45 getting FuG radar equipment and so on Mussolini would hopefully be too distracted by all the autism to invade Greece.
If word got out to the Allies would they try and stage a joint UK/US/USSR/Free French assault on East Prussia ASAP? Would Burgers attack Nips preemptively in the Pacific and would Chinese civilians in Nip-conquered areas be less inclined to turn to Mao and other allied scum if the local japanese rape administration were swapped with friendly germans? How long would german and japanese intelligence even be capable of hiding the Gate from glow in the darks?
They would have used it to supply Chinese nationalist with gear to fight Japan which is what they were still doing in 1940. You want me to spell it out for you: Germany is and has always been RETARDED E T A R D E D No amount of fairy tale make believe BS is gonna change that simple fact.
Isaac Moore
Is this some book/videogame idea? I'm not sure if I've seen it somewhere. It's pretty cool, since it creates a possibility for major axis powers to be more truly allied and form a more united front. The shit could get very interesting given how axis powers had different areas of specialization and thus could reinforce weaknesses of their allies (at least if they wouldn't get into autistic fights just like it was often was between all-japanese IJNAS and IJAAS or italians vs germans in africa), pretty much like you said. The biggest problem would be keeping it from hostile intelligence and actually fitting anything through such a small gate. 3x3m Stargate would allow to barely fit a panzer III through it, zeroes only had folding WINGTIPS so you could drop down their wingspan down to 10 meters, perhaps 9. So you likely wouldn't find a way to transport them. This way you would only be able to transport pilots and parts of airplanes to other countries and then assemble them later on. Workable, but not very efficient, german autism would have to go into much bigger overdrive in order to increase the size of such stargate. But even if they were to force dissasembled zeroes through the gate and have japanese fighters fight over UK, the RAF would be way more screwed since zeroes were way more modern than early spitfires and hurricanes, they would outperform these both in dogfight and energy combat. Not to mention the fact that jap pilots were very experienced from the war in chine and focused on individual skill which would pay off the most against a weaker opponent. But since we are literally playing with esoterics and magic, the theoeritc groundwork for conducting such operations is fairly minimal and we have no way of telling if it would be easy to increase the size of the stargate. Also, wouldn't it require two portals in order to work? One in germany and one in asia? It would be pretty difficult to set up those given how it would not only be some top-secret tech, but also very fresh one, likely hard to build If the stargates were easy to replicate, then axis forces would be able to drastically improve their logistic capability (which was always overstretched during barbarossa). Syberia lacks proper infrastructure - the japanese would most likely have to build their own along the way. The only salvation would be the portals which would make the transportation way easier. The japs could gain useful territory at the beggining of the invasion, but later on it would become a fight over huge snowy wasteland stretching over thousands of kilometers. But even then russians would either have their divisions tied in combat by the japanese or annihilated by pincer action. (SNLF could try and secure some ports northwards from the planned russian front along the manchurian border cutting off the russians) Even this alone would have the chance to tip the balance towards the victory of axis forces. Not to mention the shenanigans that could be done with literally deep striking as much as you can fit through a gate into any place where you have constructed another portal. Special wizard-pioneer companies attached to panzer corps which would build portals along the panzergruppen strike vectors where reserve infantry troops can be casually deployed and used to either dig in and hold the freshly-created cauldron walls freeing up mechanised/motorised infantry to support the panzer divisions in further offensive/flanking action. And don't even get me started on how easier the logistics would be again. I don't think allies could rally up neither in numbers nor in speed high enough to conduct a massed attack on germany. I mean, they still would have a fight on their hands in africa. And in africa again would the portals be used to transport supplies. There would be, no need to waste ships and oil. Italians could just sit and commence fleet-in-being operations. that is, sit in port for the whole duration of war I don't think the US would join the war quickly enough to stir shit up especially since the outcome of the battle of england would likely be a moderate success so the germans wouldn't feel so inclined to move their uboots closer to american soil in order to hunt for the convoys.
Now, the real problem would be tightening the relations between both countries so early on, it's not like japan trusted germany that much, they outright thought that germans betrayed the anti-comintern pact and therefore decided to sign the anti-agression pact with russia, turning their gaze towards the pacific instead of russia. So basically, all I've said about the early cooperation in destroying the anglos in 1940 would be almost impossible to do diplomatically since I really doubt that japan would want to suddenly transport their brand new fighters to fight in doubtfully profitable war with an ally they don't know they can really rely on. Axis pact was much more of a conglomeration of predators rather than an actual alliance so it's way more difficult to conduct joint operations. Army group south during operation barbarossa felt it a lot, when german high command had to somehow manage to force contingents coming from five different nations to cooperate. And they often failed in communications, sparked rivalries or straight up gave tasks too difficult for poor and badly equipped minor axis armies. And if portal tech is possible, then why wouldn't it be possible for the allies? I'm sure there would be chances for allies to catch up to germans in the use of portal technology. Either it would become too popular thus making it easier to capture, study or even interrogate left-behind personnel eventually reverse-engineering the tech or germans would consider it too important to loose or just straight up too expensive thus limiting it's usefulness.
This activates my autism, I sure would love to read a japanese mango about ww2 wizards doing cool shit like this and more.
Kutsuzure Sensen: Witch Vasenka's War - 靴ずれ戦線 -魔女ワーシェンカの戦争?
Benjamin Hill
didn't read, but seems to be ok-tier, I'll check it out, thanks user
Kayden Jackson
Well technically the wormhole is one giant space-time tube so if one end collapses it's fucked. ITTL the Thule society doesn't have much of an idea why their meme ritual went so well so they can't just freely create another Gate elsewhere at least not early on. Any larger objects would have to be disassembled, however this should not be too much of a problem since 3x3 is big enough to fit DB 60X engines, blueprints, engineers and Ger-to-Nip translators through the wormhole allowing Kurt Tank and Takeo Doi to unleash their full autism. Nips at the time were still extremely eager to reverse engineer western tech whenever they could so gaining access to the treasure trove of engineering that was the 3rd Reich at superluminal speeds would surely be a wet dream to them, with their discipline and a ready supply of senior german engineers it should not have been to difficult to whip up some licensed production in a matter of months. Zeroes could've been transported with their wings and prop removed and then reassembled by Nips at the other end as was done when transporting aircraft via road or rail. They wouldn't have to cooperate that closely during Barbarossa since their respective fronts would still be some 6500+ km apart barring any new Gates opening up, justing turning the Kwantung Army into a fighting force capable of legitimately threatening the Soviet Union's Far East would be enough. Of course the Waffen SS would try and assemble volunteer legions with random assortments of Han Chinks, Manchus, Koreans and such, but alas. Curiously enough I wonder what sort of consequences and conflict could sprout from a more heavily industrialized Manchukuo with a strong german industrial presence and a considerable temporary immigration of Japanese engineers and Army officials to the Prussian heartland on the Baltic coast.
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John Long
Maybe in some other, luckier, timeline our cousins are living that life … maybe we can be happy for them.
out of interest does anyone have the webm for this song?
Jose Williams
But Magic of socialism is one of the most powerful magics that transcends human understanding and allows as if through no effort make people, food, resources, anything really, vanish without a trace.
Evan Rodriguez
Hahaha, fair point. Maybe the 'will of the workers' would make all their propaganda stories come true in that timeline? I'm thinking of Alexey Stakhanov - that one miner who was credited with collecting 102.45 tonnes of coal in five hours.
In a Polish series of short stories about a rural exorcist, Lenin's mummy comes back to life because of people chanting that "communism and Lenin live forever" so even the mummy started believing it.
We have a German alt history thread already Polite sage
Matthew Johnson
In that scenario what's stopping them from rolling hordes of indestructible T54s (their armour is their faith in the motherland, comrade) across the rest of the world? The reason I went with the Romuva over the other Slavic faiths was that (from what I remember of that faith) it makes a lot more sense for it to become insular and defensive rather than pushing a global revolution/conversion war.
And what would that peace treaty between Greece and Italy contain? Italy wanted to conquer Greece completely, didn't they?
James Baker
Not if Hitler becomes aware of it before the pastas can attack. We could send a treaty to both, Hitler would never allow the Italians to screw up when they've been given the option to get another ally
Michael Wood
>Greece used as an Axis FOB to ship troops to Vichy Syria pre-Barbarossa >Rommel can't link up with the Troops in Iraq and Syria in time, they get pushed back all the way to Aleppo, Homs and Damascus thanks to Vichy French glownig traitors feeding info to Soviets >Brits abandon the mediterranean to avoid further fleet losses to slightly less incompetent Italians under Japanese command, hoping to recapture Gibraltar with American help at some point >Despite all the support from local goat herders the Syrian Wehrmacht has nowhere near enough supplies and skilled personnel to hold their defensive line for very long while the Soviets can barely keep their troops properly fed due to the insurgency, hence the mass influx of illiterate reservists to throw at german defenses >Stalin signs a nonaggression pact with Finland, cedes some territory to keep up the stalemate in the Baltics and western Ukraine at least until American shipments get there via the Transsiberian railway
>The Nip attack coincides with a large scale diversionary offensive on all western+middle eastern fronts >Meanwhile Britbong carrier fleets are sailing along the Indian Ocean with the goal of conducting a UK-US joint landing operation in Brittany upon arriving in Europe >Turks decide to take matters into their own hands in Syria, only for a fuckhueg joint volunteer Corps consisting of every Balkan ethnicity under Greek command to crash themselves all over Anatolia with no Roach survivors
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NEVER EVER
Carson Smith
Gasp you occupied us for what? A couple of years in the last century? France occupied Germany from 1918 to 1930 and from 1944 to 1994, and every fucking year we used to parade our tank in your capital for you to remember. But go ahead keep pretending your real dad isn't speaking English, French or Russian.
And the subhuman mutt not even French spanish mutt still running its mouth. But go ahead, tell ferkel you totally do not want to be a part of the shitskin EU army. Next time you wont be shaving the head of your women for taking superior seeds, lel. But keep being proud of fighting for more niggers in your home.
You really didn't deserve it since you got your ass kicked in the course of a few weeks regardless if that was the fault of some commies' retarded factory generalization plan, the Anglos were just being nice to you and the global consensus remembers you as the occupied not the occupier.
William Gray
Because the "Greek" volunteer IS the butthurt boomer muttposter, and BO was being a retarded shitcunt as usual. Lets just give the power to CONTROL a board to anyone retard who cries loud enough. A larping "genocidal" retard sperg at that.
Nu/k/ deserves to die tbh.
Jingoism is worse tbh
STFU surrender monkey. Deleted post was right, you are probably not even ethnic French. Ethnic French only got humiliated by half breeds and niggers after Germany's defeat.
But I do agree any modern German who is "ashamed" of his ancestors is a cuck deserving to be mocked.
There you go shitheads, satisfied yet? If you want shit gone then like I said since day 1, report it. I don't browse every single thread 24/7.
Joshua Howard
You totally showed us your compentence as moderator here.
Josiah Myers
Nice falseflag muttposter. You even fucking used the same image names. It's always the same posting style with you, and the sudden 'Dutch' flag that popped up the last month, the moment he stopped using his French flag. All just a coincidence you fucking kike. The same Dutch flag that damage controlled in the Brentan threads?
Only the muttspammer is crying about the new Greek vol, crying about how it is the end of Zig Forums, because somebody is deleting his spam.
You are also the only one who uses tbh in every second post. Why aren't you posting under your Israeli flag, you scared that you may forget to hide your flag.
Colton Thomas
Nicht Deutsch spreche, Spergkraut
Ryder Lopez
What spam, fake kraut?
Asher Adams
So, basically Shadowrun, but with less corporations?
Xavier Gray
People don't download files with original filenames in one click here?
Brayden James
ssshhhh, let the cuck kraut sperg….
Tyler Howard
You even changed your fucking IP again, you can’t have 1 consistent IP through a thread, you even fuck up your proxies and change IPs before changing back again. Do you think that nobody will notice? You’re fucking laughable. Form 1 correct German sentence, I’ll wait you faggot. What was it again? Some German in the US can’t call himself Kraut? Now it is okay when you call me, an actual German, Kraut. Makes me really think spergkike.
Those pictures were never posted here beforehand, but your posting style and naming style of the pictures is always the same.
But I’m not here to somehow change your mind spergkike, oh nono, the Lurker will see it and observe, and everytime you sperg out again, everytime you will be spotted.
You have never posted one (1) single post that is related to Zig Forums stuff, not once.
See here, once again spergkike LARPs as German and shows his German skills like: probably thought that this doesn’t sound like elementary school level, because get it, when English has ‘scum’ so when you directly translate it, it has the same punch, uhm no. Yep, nice grammar Used so often on old KC etc. that this isn’t special, he can copy paste y’know And now my favorite part The savior coming in 2 minutes telling the bad bad German that he was a poopee head, and so he defeated the bad bad German.
Stop sperging, spergkraut? Wie erbärmlich. Was versuchst du hier damit?
Nolan Miller
Pikari-chan wa Nakanaka Shinanai! It's about a cockroach girl and spider loli pestering a ramen shop cook.
Jason Young
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Evan Cox
What does Shinanai means in nippon?
Jose Thomas
I dunno because the stories take place in XXI century eastern Poland most of the time.
Juan Ramirez
>The Angel self-destructs after a several hours in captivity according to the official story following the successful extraction and preservation of some tissue
Parker Garcia
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Thomas Brown
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Thomas Ward
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Landon James
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Justin Hall
How would the Russian Empire have ended up had they said fuck it in Spring of 1916 and signed an armistice with the Central Powers, allowing the German Empire to regain its footing and defeat the French a year later? Why didn't they do such a thing IRL? They lost practically every large battle against German troops in the North and the guys in the South were only barely holding out by virtue of the Austrohungarians being even more incompetent than them, on top of that the Russian economy was going to shit fast owing to an accelerated wartime industrialization paid with excessively printed Fiat so they wouldn't run out of Ammo again and there were Commies everywhere, the other Entente members also didn't do shit aside from asking for Russian suicide attacks or starting a Tard invasion in the Balkans. Was Ludendorff that scary?
Jaxson Smith
the czar was a fucking retard, same reason why he started ww1
Ayden Edwards
The state of world now can be attributed to bad decisions made by world powers in WW1.
William Reed
Would there have been a second world war if the Central Powers won? The German Empire played host to plenty of Jewish bankers and industrialists prior to the war, there also wasn't much in the way of organized anti-semitism until the Treaty of Versailles and all the subsequent kikery leading to the rise of literally Hitler.
Logan Hill
Definitely would be interesting, as they had to wait a year longer for Russia to surrender in OTL. But I don't think it will have much of an effect, unless they somehow manage to keep the USA out of the war as well as winning in the North Sea and stopping the British blockade that crippled the army. If they manage to do both of those things, We could see a German victory in late 1917 or early 1918.
France and Britain would be angry as hell, possibly America as well. Even before WWI, the future members of the Entente was bootyblasted that Germany was beating them in population, economically and militarily. The Franco-British stranglehold over Africa would be broken, Germany would try to connect their current colonies together. The French would lose all of Lorraine, and some of Calais to the now German puppet state of Belgium. Monarchies with strong heads of state would be back in fashion, possibly taking hold in South America and African nations, if/when they get independence. It's possible, though I don't think a second Entente could win a WWII, especially if the Russian Civil War ends in a White Victory,which would be at best neutral and at worst a strong German ally.
If the brits and ruskies are taken out of the picture or at least settle with a truce, there's gonna be peace in Europe for the next 50 years.
If you think about it, the World War (and Napoleonic war before that) is about the prevention of a strong continental empire (France Empire, 2nd Reich, 3rd Reich).
Modern politics is also about that, considering NATO and EU spares no expenses to cuck continental Europe.
The jew things can go whichever way though, but I doubt Israel would exist without the brits/USA's winning of WW2.
Robert Jackson
ALTERNATIVE HISTORY HUB PRESENTS: WHAT IF THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED?
Andrew Campbell
The kind of history you learn in school is basically alternate history, it's garbage fiction dredged up in the 20th century by retards who thought the shape of your hair could determine if you're good or evil.
Phrenology was phased out because jews grew in power and wanted to erase the (((completely coincidental connection))) between hooked nose, beady eyes, curly hair, sickly facial hair and usury, untrustworthiness, deceit and malice
Jacob Clark
>Mfw no Prusso-Tsarist post-great war Alliance culminating in the defeat+dissolution of the Sino-Chinese-American Entente leading to the events oft Jin Roh Why is life so unfair. Then again Pissrael could still exist if (((they))) manage to erect a second Hollywood in mainland Europe broadcasting Propaganda about colonial Anglo concentration camps+Burger proxy snackbar war crimes, the Balkans also would still have turned to shit at one point or another given the precarious prewar state of Austro-hungary.
Jace Gutierrez
If the Hollercoast happened the Morgenthau plan would've come into effect and Fusion power would be the world's prime energy source thanks to german wartime advances in Oven&Furnace technology.
Anthony Roberts
It would have to happen again
Sebastian Lopez
Phrenology is the study of skull shape which is legitimate because skull shape is determined by genetics and is highly determinant on intelligence. I'm not talking about that. Look at some older 1920s-1960s magazines, they thought being left handed made you evil, having prominent ears made you lecherous and things like that. It's fucking stupidity and most of it is ingrained in scientific institutions to this day - destruction of phrenology is actually one of them.
>having (((prominent ears))) made you lecherous That's actually the case.
Henry Hughes
No, not really. They didn't have the resources and their electronics were fucking trash. They lacked radar systems and proper hydrophones. If this guy is to be believed that is.
Because Russia is closest equivalent to Warhammer 40k universe we have. That nation sort of works in a similar manner to the imperium of man, as any major war is sort of a religious experience with it's own saints, miracles and what not. So, I suppose that russian leadership was just kinda hoping that things would work out eventually, as admitting defeat would have been borderline disastrous, as that would have implied that they, protectors of slavs and orthodox christianity, were not blessed by God, or weren't faithful enough to carry the burden of being protector of christianity and slavism.
Would have been interesting to see what kind of peaceful solution could have been found for the russo-austro-hungarian issue though.
Quiet honestly we should had just give up Galicia and let the Russians pester around with the Poles and Ukrainians in exchange of them fucking off in our issues with the rest of the Slavs.
Zachary Davis
Do you have a plan for the return of Translyvania (Erdely) to Hungary? Like which counties would you claim and how would you do a population transfer? I can't see a way to do it without it either being a non contiguous exclave (which is shit), having a huge and difficult to defend border, causing a shit show with Serbia and other nations that might be obligated to intervene (unless you de-recognized Kosovo or got the Romanians to do something dumb enough to burn their bridges with the Serbs). And how do you get it to be permanent and recognized when you're in NATO and the EU?
Even if the Taiho had proper Radar equipment and ventilation systems it still wouldn't have amounted to much with air wings consisting of Zeroes, Kates and Vals instead of A7Ms and B7As. Would've been really interesting if they could've cooperated with German war industry like the Italians did, that way the Ki-61 might not have struggled so much with maintenance issues.
How would the Syrian civil war have progressed had the 2016 glownigger coup attempt in occupied Byzantium succeeded and Erdogan been thrown out of his plane?
Levi Diaz
I'm a believer that the "coup" was a hoax.
James Smith
It's possible, but given how hard Erdogan's policies were threatening to crash US policies in Syria with no survivors it's also not impossible for the Obama administration at the time to consider removing him and installing a new democratic puppet ruler in the spirit of the Arab spring or some shit. Ever since that failed coup US-Turkey relations have deteriorated to the brink of collapse, with Roaches now buying S-400s and being buddy buddy with evil Putin instead of projecting Democracy under the goyse of NATO.
It's like you don't even know how it works in this clown world of ours. Normally we'd just have to take back the lands that are ours and expell those goat herders. But since ww2 the way to go is to finance guerrillas and tell them to make a state of their own that nobody recognizes. Then either drag out the conflict or win it very quickly, the point is to sow a lot of confusion, because in that general aura of uncertainity most people either freeze and do nothing, or flee. And an active minority will do risky things, therefore they will be visible and you can get rid of them. Basically look at how the jews made Israel real, and then how they de facto annexed territories around that joke of a country. Of course for us to do something similar we'd need an autocracy, a strong army, and at least some tactical nukes.
This. Just throw a large amount of money and weapons on the Székelys and they will make their own nation. When the rebellion brokes out, just attack Romania under the cassus belli of "evil Romanians oppressing Hungarian minority" and we are good to go. And above the autocracy, a strong army and the tactical nukes, we'd need the protective hands of the US taken off of Romania, as we are both members of NATO.
I've just noticed that I wrote autocracy instead of autarky. Whatever, we would need both those anyway. Basically we'd have to be a non-communist Best Korea.
If we had nukes, then we wouldn't really have to worry about murka. They can't even bother themselves to do something with North Korea, do you think they'd want us to nuke a major European city?
I know that this is nothing more than LARPing, but that's all we can do in out current situation.
Of course we need autocracy. Both the communist constitution of 1948 and the democratic constitution of 2012 are illegitimate. We need to return to the constitutional monarchy and elect a king. But who would be our king? Nobrainer. The fact that we are importing food and generally goods of any kind that we can produce and manufacture here always baffled me.
You can be your own Fyodorovich von Ungern-Sternberg user!
Henry Edwards
To become one.
Carter Gomez
You know that it's not that easy. You need to be a devout religious person, an expert and experienced high-ranking military officer, a monarchist AND you need to be in the right place at the right time with elligible support of the population. Don't have any of this, and you won't be the next king of your country.
A shame Hitler never got the bomb first and fired several nuclear V2 salvos on Soviet and Anglo positions.
Joseph Howard
To what extent would a massed Kwantung Army Banzai charge in the Soviet Far East sometime in Fall of 1941 have hindered logistics in Western Russia? Would it have eased pressure on the Wehrmacht enough for them to capture Moscow or would Nips just get themselves shrekt with no survivors like in 1945? Would capturing Moscow have changed anything in the long term?
Jacob Howard
Gott erhalte unser Kaiser und Király, Otto. The Empire rises. We are growing stronger under His benevolent rule.
