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Logan Sullivan
It looks increadibly cheap.
It IS incredibly cheap.
It taking 9x21mm is preddy gud 5/5, though.
Ryder Murphy
Literally why make this rather than using the MP-443?
Hunter Anderson
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Gavin Lee
Wonder nine #9001.
Who cares, they figured out how to make these in the 70s. I'm glad they caught up to what the west has been using for at least 30 years now and they don't have to use Makarovs anymore, but pistols are unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
Kayden Rogers
What's with the dumb fucking huge sights? Just asking to snag.
Jose Lewis
Not really, that looks a lot like the new CZs.
Best I can tell it is a MP-443 in 9x21 with a plastic frame instead of steel.
As to why they like the 9x21 ammo.
9x21 is an interesting take on it, it's 107gr bullet with the regular load of a 9mm para.
Unlike the other wonder nines, the case is longer because the bullet is longer and need to be seated fairly low in the cartridge, because it's a steel penetrator/polymer bullet (!?).
Daniel Scott
Where's the slide stop?
Eli Clark
Always wondered how they managed to get normal 9x19 in an AP format that also fucks unarmored folk up too. Almost touching 2k fps is fucking insane.
Nathan Morris
Maybe, It’s not cheap enough for Putin Russia Mr. Satan? AK-12 was Discarded in-favor of the much cheaper AK-15. AK-15 has a very ironic name. It’s pretty much just an AK-74 with an AR-15 style buttstock and Picatinny rail.
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Carson Wright
They could have mass-produced the AK-107 and yet chose to keep the fucking 74. What the fuck are the russians doing?
Jeremiah Cruz
No it wasn't. They buying both AK-12 and AK-15 (and RPK-16).
AK-12 5.45, AK-15 is 7.62. RPK-16 is 5.45, they might be another RPK in 7.62.
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Except for the tiny part where the ACTION isn't a Kalashnikov action but a short stroke piston Dragunov action (like all rifles currently proposed by Kalashnikov are ironically).
Brody Harris
Kalashnikov entry for recoil balancing LOST the trial to the Degtyaryov design (A-545 and A-762).
Degtyarov makes the complicate ones for the Spetsnaz, Border Guards, etc… Kalashnikov makes the simple ones for everyone.
Lincoln Morris
First time hearing about this
What the fuck. Did it lose to due to "complicated design" (it wasn't) or because Degtyaryov's design had even less recoil?
Dominic Diaz
ah nevermind, it's the AEK. Still, from what I've seen the 107 completely roflstomped it in terms of recoil.
Joshua Martin
the point is that it costs less that $300>>666712
Tyler Peterson
Underage fags get out and never return.
Oliver Walker
It's literally the opposite, the 107 recoil balance system is from the AEK to begin with… except it works way better on a gun designed for it than jammed into an old AK74. Also it flat out didn't work in 7.62 (AK-106… you know the one suspiciously missing from the press releases), that was the deal breaker as Russian specialists like the 7.62x39 to the point they carry old as fuck AKMS.
What you think is the AK-12 is the "AK-200" project.
Which is the one that lost to the "AEK" project, that was supplanted by the "AK-400" project which variants that was so far adopted under the designation AK-12, AK-15, AK-15k and RPK-16.
Eli Evans
This is not the new pistol.
Udav will compete with Kalashnikov's PL-15 for this post.
We will have the answer in some months.
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Adrian Myers
That looks like a polymer double tack makarov.
Aaron Fisher
The AK-200 was the leading candidate in the planned adoption of a rifle to be called AK-12, you retarded faggot. They showed it off under the AK-12 name at their public expos in the months before the change was made, the same ones where they displayed their other 'next-gen' sorts of equipment such as the polymer meme bullpup DMR and the exoskeleton teasers. It was formally documented as that before they changed their minds. Lots of unofficial Russian sources also used this name, it wasn't "TFB bloggers". Just because you weren't hear a few years ago doesn't mean everyone else has a lack of exposure.
I guess the Russian military doesn't know what their own gun is called.
Blake Young
*here. Fucking worthless speech-to-text.
Blake James
The new AEKs also look fucking kino, they're like an AK-74 tried to relive the rape of Berlin and banged an MP5
Dominic Cruz
Hunter Martinez
Why are people having a hard time with this? Just go Wikipedia and everything is there.
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The AK12 and AK15 are the same gun with different calibers.
This will be the new army standard and there's no recoil soap opera concerning their adoption or versions or anything else.
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These two are competing, and the Government/Military still didn't decide which one is gonna be.
I'm vouching for the PL15, seems better constructed. This Udav seems to be a market ploy by the Russian government to make Kalashnikov accept a cheaper contract, because since 2014 it was a given that the PL-14 (then a prototype) would be chosen. Maybe Kalashnikov was conceited and wanting an expensive deal with the Gov.
Whatever. Shooting competitions have been held with the PL-15 already (the civilian/sport version is called SP1) and people are saying they loved it. This Udav, on the other hand… Seems cheap, and the meme caliber a gimmick who would create more logistic/maintenence/operational problems than would make solutions.
Andrew Lee
By the way, you posted the prototype AK200, and the AK12 is based on the AK400 one.
Just saying.
William Long
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Nolan Moore
You can return to Reddit at any time.
Zachary Gutierrez
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James Parker
What did he mean by this?
Matthew Turner
Err, no. You have to go back.
Ayden Bell
Oh well
Adam Reyes
Just admit you were wrong. You're not going to lose any of your precious upboats or karma, we don't have those 'features' here. The only thing you have to risk is your own intellectual honesty, and nobody will remember you posted in this thread a week from now. This is an anonymous imageboard. Just stop being an assblasted faggot.
Hudson Allen
looks like something it isn't and has no relation to at all.
are you lost?
Christian White
Anthony Martinez
You're too funny.
Nathan Foster
You don't know what you're talking about, please kill yourself.
Matthew Howard
Reminder that you are the gayest faggot. Go back to your gay faggot site.
Easton Fisher
Pathetic. Well, good bye, you have nothing of worth to say.
Austin Thompson
Your faggotry is immortalised here. Never forget.
Jacob Campbell
Makes it easier to rack the slide one-handed with your duty belt?
Parker Thomas
What that poster doesn't realise is that those iron sights aren't even very big - probably because he's used to a Glock - and that high profile sights can offer better target acquisition, easier shooting at long distances (due to allowing greater elevation while still aiming), and perhaps most importantly for a military, suppressor compatibility. Short irons will be blocked by a suppressor. The USSOCOM Mk. 22 and Mk. 23 pistols were designed with all these factors in mind, and all modern military sidearms intended to be used suppressed have to take those things into account.
If you have a suppressor and your gun's sights don't have enough clearance for it, that greatly inhibits how accurately you can shoot and at what ranges. The surrogate option is to use a low profile suppressor, which either means one of those awkward offset designs like the SilencerCo Osprey, or a suppressor with less diameter, and less diameter means less ability to suppress. Strelok is much less retarded than the nogunz Brazilmonkey, though, and for that he should not feel bad.
Note the raised sights on the SOCOM pistols, the offset Osprey on the first Glock, and then the last two pistols having unusable sights due to the suppressor being in the way.
Christopher Sanchez
This.
WHERE IS IT?!?!
Brandon Reed
The Beretta Nano doesn't have one so it is possible mechanically. Nano did it to make the slide as slick as possible (and maybe part of the modular chassis, which isn't an issue on a service pistol and has all the detriments so I've got no idea why they'd do that.
Carson Hall
Is Kel-Tec good or bad?
Colton Mitchell
yes.
Ryan Jackson
Any measurements on the over bore? Looks pretty low.
William Morgan
I don't know. I does lock open on empty though (1:30).
We don't see him change mags.
Noah Bailey
They're dumping the Grach already?
Carson Torres
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Camden Hughes
of course we will never see it in the u.s because the sanctions are simply back door gun control that will never be lifted, much like the Chinese ban
Ethan Jenkins
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Levi Morales
ethnic russians are white tho…………..
Jack Peterson
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Wyatt Gomez
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES
Blake Hernandez
HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES