Russia new service pistol

Henry Morales
Henry Morales

Zig Forums why does the Udav pistol look like something Kel-Tec would make?

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interfax.ru/russia/657279
archive.is/9y2Wq
modernfirearms.net/en/handguns/handguns-en/russia-semi-automatic-pistols/lebedev-pl-15-eng/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-12
modernfirearms.net/en/handguns/handguns-en/russia-semi-automatic-pistols/udav-2/
modernfirearms.net/en/assault-rifles/russia-assault-rifles/ak-12-ak-15-eng/
modernfirearms.net/en/library-2/automatics-library-2/balanced-action/

Logan Sullivan
Logan Sullivan

It looks increadibly cheap.
250€ retail
It IS incredibly cheap.
It taking 9x21mm is preddy gud 5/5, though.

Ryder Murphy
Ryder Murphy

Literally why make this rather than using the MP-443?

Hunter Anderson
Hunter Anderson

inb4 the sigshills arrive

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

Wonder nine #9001.
Who cares, they figured out how to make these in the 70s. I'm glad they caught up to what the west has been using for at least 30 years now and they don't have to use Makarovs anymore, but pistols are unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

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Kayden Rogers
Kayden Rogers

What's with the dumb fucking huge sights? Just asking to snag.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

It looks increadibly cheap.
Not really, that looks a lot like the new CZs.
Literally why make this rather than using the MP-443?
Best I can tell it is a MP-443 in 9x21 with a plastic frame instead of steel.
As to why they like the 9x21 ammo.
Wonder nine
9x21 is an interesting take on it, it's 107gr bullet with the regular load of a 9mm para.
Unlike the other wonder nines, the case is longer because the bullet is longer and need to be seated fairly low in the cartridge, because it's a steel penetrator/polymer bullet (!?).

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Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

Where's the slide stop?

Eli Clark
Eli Clark

Always wondered how they managed to get normal 9x19 in an AP format that also fucks unarmored folk up too. Almost touching 2k fps is fucking insane.

Nathan Morris
Nathan Morris

Literally why make this rather than using the MP-443?
Maybe, It’s not cheap enough for Putin Russia Mr. Satan? AK-12 was Discarded in-favor of the much cheaper AK-15. AK-15 has a very ironic name. It’s pretty much just an AK-74 with an AR-15 style buttstock and Picatinny rail.

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

666787

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Carson Wright
Carson Wright

AK-12
discarded
They could have mass-produced the AK-107 and yet chose to keep the fucking 74. What the fuck are the russians doing?

Jeremiah Cruz
Jeremiah Cruz

AK-12 was Discarded in-favor of the much cheaper AK-15.
No it wasn't. They buying both AK-12 and AK-15 (and RPK-16).
AK-12 5.45, AK-15 is 7.62. RPK-16 is 5.45, they might be another RPK in 7.62.
interfax.ru/russia/657279
archive.is/9y2Wq
AK-15 has a very ironic name. It’s pretty much just an AK-74 with an AR-15 style buttstock and Picatinny rail.
Except for the tiny part where the ACTION isn't a Kalashnikov action but a short stroke piston Dragunov action (like all rifles currently proposed by Kalashnikov are ironically).

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Brody Harris
Brody Harris

Kalashnikov entry for recoil balancing LOST the trial to the Degtyaryov design (A-545 and A-762).
Degtyarov makes the complicate ones for the Spetsnaz, Border Guards, etc… Kalashnikov makes the simple ones for everyone.

Lincoln Morris
Lincoln Morris

A-545 and A-762
First time hearing about this
Kalashnikov entry for recoil balancing LOST
What the fuck. Did it lose to due to "complicated design" (it wasn't) or because Degtyaryov's design had even less recoil?

Dominic Diaz
Dominic Diaz

ah nevermind, it's the AEK. Still, from what I've seen the 107 completely roflstomped it in terms of recoil.

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

the point is that it costs less that $300>>666712

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

he doesn't know what the AK-12 was

Underage fags get out and never return.

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

ah nevermind, it's the AEK. Still, from what I've seen the 107 completely roflstomped it in terms of recoil.
It's literally the opposite, the 107 recoil balance system is from the AEK to begin with… except it works way better on a gun designed for it than jammed into an old AK74. Also it flat out didn't work in 7.62 (AK-106… you know the one suspiciously missing from the press releases), that was the deal breaker as Russian specialists like the 7.62x39 to the point they carry old as fuck AKMS.
Doesn't know that the Russian MoD, not TFB bloggers, get to pick what the guns are called.
What you think is the AK-12 is the "AK-200" project.
Which is the one that lost to the "AEK" project, that was supplanted by the "AK-400" project which variants that was so far adopted under the designation AK-12, AK-15, AK-15k and RPK-16.

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Eli Evans
Eli Evans

This is not the new pistol.
Udav will compete with Kalashnikov's PL-15 for this post.
We will have the answer in some months.

modernfirearms.net/en/handguns/handguns-en/russia-semi-automatic-pistols/lebedev-pl-15-eng/

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Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

That looks like a polymer double tack makarov.

Aaron Fisher
Aaron Fisher

The AK-200 was the leading candidate in the planned adoption of a rifle to be called AK-12, you retarded faggot. They showed it off under the AK-12 name at their public expos in the months before the change was made, the same ones where they displayed their other 'next-gen' sorts of equipment such as the polymer meme bullpup DMR and the exoskeleton teasers. It was formally documented as that before they changed their minds. Lots of unofficial Russian sources also used this name, it wasn't "TFB bloggers". Just because you weren't hear a few years ago doesn't mean everyone else has a lack of exposure.

I guess the Russian military doesn't know what their own gun is called.

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Blake Young
Blake Young

*here. Fucking worthless speech-to-text.

Blake James
Blake James

The new AEKs also look fucking kino, they're like an AK-74 tried to relive the rape of Berlin and banged an MP5

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Dominic Cruz
Dominic Cruz

3rd pic
detachable carry handle under the handguard

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Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

Why are people having a hard time with this? Just go Wikipedia and everything is there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-12
The final production model of the AK-12 is based on the well proven AK-400 prototype.
The AK12 and AK15 are the same gun with different calibers.
This will be the new army standard and there's no recoil soap opera concerning their adoption or versions or anything else.

About the Pistols:
TsNIITochMash Udav
modernfirearms.net/en/handguns/handguns-en/russia-semi-automatic-pistols/udav-2/
Kalashnikov Lebedev PL-15
modernfirearms.net/en/handguns/handguns-en/russia-semi-automatic-pistols/lebedev-pl-15-eng/

These two are competing, and the Government/Military still didn't decide which one is gonna be.

I'm vouching for the PL15, seems better constructed. This Udav seems to be a market ploy by the Russian government to make Kalashnikov accept a cheaper contract, because since 2014 it was a given that the PL-14 (then a prototype) would be chosen. Maybe Kalashnikov was conceited and wanting an expensive deal with the Gov.

Whatever. Shooting competitions have been held with the PL-15 already (the civilian/sport version is called SP1) and people are saying they loved it. This Udav, on the other hand… Seems cheap, and the meme caliber a gimmick who would create more logistic/maintenence/operational problems than would make solutions.

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Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

By the way, you posted the prototype AK200, and the AK12 is based on the AK400 one.
Just saying.

William Long
William Long

not using your carry handle as an AFG

Nolan Moore
Nolan Moore

damage controlling this hard because he doesn't want to admit he's talking out of his ass
pretending history simply didn't happen because he's that defensive over the shittier replacement of what would have been a fantastic rifle
completely ignoring the change in nomenclature that absolutely happened at the last minute despite being provided with ample evidence that it did
seriously thinking that posting Wikipedia is somehow an argument in response to information from primary and original sources, literally the Russians who designed the weapon

You can return to Reddit at any time.

Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

just go wikipedia
going to astroturfpedia for any reason whatsoever
taking gun information from leftist faggots in desperate need of incendiary intervention

James Parker
James Parker

You can return to Reddit at any time.
He says while redditspacing.
What did he mean by this?

Matthew Turner
Matthew Turner

that
reddit spacing
Err, no. You have to go back.

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Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

Still having a hard time
Oh well

Adam Reyes
Adam Reyes

Just admit you were wrong. You're not going to lose any of your precious upboats or karma, we don't have those 'features' here. The only thing you have to risk is your own intellectual honesty, and nobody will remember you posted in this thread a week from now. This is an anonymous imageboard. Just stop being an assblasted faggot.

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Hudson Allen
Hudson Allen

looks like something it isn't and has no relation to at all.
are you lost?

Christian White
Christian White

For christ's sake, just shut up.
modernfirearms.net/en/assault-rifles/russia-assault-rifles/ak-12-ak-15-eng/
modernfirearms.net/en/library-2/automatics-library-2/balanced-action/

Anthony Martinez
Anthony Martinez

assblast continues
facts from 2017 don't real because revisions in 2018 happened

You're too funny.

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Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

That moment when you're whiter than an american
That moment when you understand the amerimutt
You don't know what you're talking about, please kill yourself.

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

he has no argument to rebut with so he resorts to 'n-not h-h-huwhite'
he capitalises greentext, as only a Redditor would do
he types out "that moment when" in longhand, as only a Redditor would do
he doesn't know about "tfw", as only a Redditor would not
canned 'kys' as a substitute for a non-retarded post
muttposting, which has been exposed as a leftist anti-white meme for ages now

Reminder that you are the gayest faggot. Go back to your gay faggot site.

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Easton Fisher
Easton Fisher

Has no arguments
Has a sioux grandfather
His ancestors fought to free the slaves
Still thinks himself right
Pathetic. Well, good bye, you have nothing of worth to say.

Austin Thompson
Austin Thompson

n-n-no u
still attempting to derail away from the fact that he was proven wrong
pretending that copping out means he won

Your faggotry is immortalised here. Never forget.

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Jacob Campbell
Jacob Campbell

Makes it easier to rack the slide one-handed with your duty belt?

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

What that poster doesn't realise is that those iron sights aren't even very big - probably because he's used to a Glock - and that high profile sights can offer better target acquisition, easier shooting at long distances (due to allowing greater elevation while still aiming), and perhaps most importantly for a military, suppressor compatibility. Short irons will be blocked by a suppressor. The USSOCOM Mk. 22 and Mk. 23 pistols were designed with all these factors in mind, and all modern military sidearms intended to be used suppressed have to take those things into account.

If you have a suppressor and your gun's sights don't have enough clearance for it, that greatly inhibits how accurately you can shoot and at what ranges. The surrogate option is to use a low profile suppressor, which either means one of those awkward offset designs like the SilencerCo Osprey, or a suppressor with less diameter, and less diameter means less ability to suppress. Strelok is much less retarded than the nogunz Brazilmonkey, though, and for that he should not feel bad.

Note the raised sights on the SOCOM pistols, the offset Osprey on the first Glock, and then the last two pistols having unusable sights due to the suppressor being in the way.

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Christopher Sanchez
Christopher Sanchez

This.
WHERE IS IT?!?!

Brandon Reed
Brandon Reed

The Beretta Nano doesn't have one so it is possible mechanically. Nano did it to make the slide as slick as possible (and maybe part of the modular chassis, which isn't an issue on a service pistol and has all the detriments so I've got no idea why they'd do that.

Carson Hall
Carson Hall

Is Kel-Tec good or bad?

Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

yes.

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

Any measurements on the over bore? Looks pretty low.

William Morgan
William Morgan

I don't know. I does lock open on empty though (1:30).
We don't see him change mags.

Noah Bailey
Noah Bailey

They're dumping the Grach already?

Carson Torres
Carson Torres

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

of course we will never see it in the u.s because the sanctions are simply back door gun control that will never be lifted, much like the Chinese ban

haha yes goy, you can buy all the job stealing , sweatshop made products from china, BUT YOU BETTA NOT BUY A FUCKING GUN FROM THEM!

Ethan Jenkins
Ethan Jenkins

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

ethnic russians are white tho…………..

Jack Peterson
Jack Peterson

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES

Blake Hernandez
Blake Hernandez

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES

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