Thread for good faith arguments and apologetics/resource posting.
I'm not trying to start division but am genuinely unsure of who is correct so I would like to see good faith debating. I've heard many of the standard arguments from both sides but I'm looking to basically take the strongest ones, put them side by side and go wherever God guides me.
Protestants are welcome to post apologetics as well, at this point I'm gaslit to the point where I'm willing to hear out any sane arguments.
I can recognize the utility of religion and the truth of Christianity now I'm simply trying to find the most orthodox way of practicing it. Hopefully others can be helped by this thread too.
fair warning lad this placd doesn't exactly know　the meaning of the phrase "Good faith"
Jace Morales
Yeah I know, just figured I'd throw it in to encourage people. I basically just want to see everyone argue it out in one place.
You'd think you'd see it more often but I really haven't found much where different denominations really debate or argue side by side, its usually just one person spouting off their own denom's apologetics.
Aaron Perez
How about an "Catholic and Orthodox Ecumenism" thread ? The whole board is full with threads an posts of "muh tradcaths" and "muh tradorthos" fighting each other. In the real world Catholics and orthos are glad to find each other, because we're all Christians and having some fellowship is awesome. This whole division stuff is mental masturbation that nobody on the internet will ever be solving. Leave it to the theologians and Church lawyers.
This is now an official thread for Catholic and Orthodox ecumenism. Say something nice about the other instead regurgitating for the milllionth time arguments that other side won't listen to anyway on the internet. I'll start: I love how genuine orthos are trying to rigorously live the faith - especially with the "fasting spirituality" in these times, especially in areas like Russia or the Ukraine (among others) that are plagued with ex-Soviet stuff and mindsets. Which brings me also to: Although the orthos are often too inclined with politics in my opinion, I have nothing but respect for the orthos and Eastern Catholics in the ex Soviet-areas that they kept the faith alive under constant threats of death and those that died for not renouncing their faith - and so I understand when real orthos sometimes care a bit too much about politics.
I personally like both I just don't know which to join. Whichever I do join I'm not going to just start attacking the other, I'm just genuinely not sure where to go. I like aspects of both. I also understand that what matters more than autistic high theology is the religion itself, but that doesn't get rid of the need for knowing where to start.
That would basically be SSPX or Orthodox
Nicholas Kelly
Literally read the Church Fathers and study each church individually, not the debate, and see which one aligns with the Fathers, this should be pretty unobjectionable to Orthodox and Roman Catholics If you haven't already the Apotolic Fathers are a must read, after look at Churches both hold as important figures and read their works
I love the rosary and the stations of the cross and it's a shame I can only do them at an Orthodox church at very few locations
Traditional Roman Catholics are in complete communion with the Pope, so I don't know how traditional SSPX really is
Caleb Sanchez
Please LARP somewhere else. Faith depends on truth, not about "le ebil modernism" t. Ortho
Nathan King
This is why I haven't joined the SSPX, it requires a good deal of mental gymnastics. The only way to rationalize it is to say the chruch is in a state of necessity and we can throw out rules we don't like, which is kind of retarded in my opinion.
I also like the rosary and stations of the cross.
And yeah I'm definitely going to read through a good chunk of the Church Fathers, any recommendation on which of the Apostolic Fathers to start with?
