Cheap Chinese Rockets Obsoleting US Assets in Asia

You mean China right? That one child policy and colonization of apefrica is going to do them wonders.

Reminder that every time a sea skimming exocet or harpoon has been fired in anger, the target never detected it until they were struck.

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Capital ships are a meme. In the age of missile weaponry even destroyers are a too big and should have paint a bullseye on their hulls,
also have them burn dollar bills instead of diesel, would not make any difference and would also help with inflation not counting the widows' pensions' given how crew-demanding capital ships are .

This is how you make a modern Navy, kiddo:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships

Based.

Just add an antikytheran-navigation system and some greek fire and this baby will be unstoppable.

guided-missile armed Triremes when?

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Not with that attitude!

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Your move, Gyrosnigger.

Also the point I was making in that post was that Chinese engineering very rarely lives up to their hype. But hey, let's take it this way if you want to

Does she have a combat role? Or was it 'just' a beautiful bit of archaeological autism?

The USA didn't replace the British Empire as the Hegemon of the Sea because its ships are unsinkable, but because the USA has the industrial power to produce ships in mass during war time.

Both she and our flagship (armoured cruiser Averof) are floating museum exhibitions.

Fired against curryniggers so this one doesn't really count.

I honestly don't really see the point of living anymore.

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Why didn't they invent firearms or grenades?
Clearly they had enough brains to invent gunpowder and then use it as fireworks showing they were intelligent enough for chemistry and had a sense of aesthetics.
Did nobody have an accident resulting in being maimed or killed prompting onlookers or survivors to think of it being applied in warfare?

They did. They even made LE-shells with it.
It's what allowed the Song dynasty to survive 50 years more than they should have and repel Genghis Khan.
They stopped because Kublai Khan managed to conquer/raze all of china using internal dissension and siege engines he brought back from the middle east after subjugating the caliphate.
It's at the same time the Polo family & cie managed to make a couple of trips back and forth and probably bought the formulas on the cheap as China was completely collapsing.

TN: ching chong means ling long

They used rocket based weapons for a long time, mostly spears or arrows with a rocket engine attached to them. Some of them were fairly elaborate, a large rocket that launched multiple incendiary submunitions for use in sieges. As for why they didn't make the leap to firearms, the only answer I saw to that was that he metalworking industry in China wasn't up to scratch and couldn't produce reliable barrels.

Being invaded by the Mongols didn't help with Chinese technological development either.

They did invent them, and used them extensively. But it was only one aspect of warfare that didn't dominate their tactics. Until one day some barbarians from the far west came in with better divine machines. It's literally wikipedia-tier knowledge:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_artillery_in_the_Song_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenjiying
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_weapons_in_the_Ming_dynasty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_mine#Pre-modern_development

They were also in a situation where throwing more men into the meatgrinder was the most straightforward way to go. They already had the bureaucracy and the traditions in place, so they didn't bet everything on new and untested technologies.

Russian.

But it's true, and it has nothing to do with INF treaty, which is defunct anyway. The reason why US missiles suck is because they expect aircraft to carry them, which means most of their missiles are super light, super slow, and super low range.
The tomahawk is an exception, but it's a million dollar missile that has no place in real warfare, it's just a weapon to terrorize smaller nations with. Kind of like battleship cannon used to be, whenever one rolls into range people take notice.

Only if the French want it to work. The Argentinians also had exocets, yet mysteriously all of their software self destructed.

Those were the exocets I was referring to. As for the 'mysterious software self destructing' it's amazing what happens when someone bullies the French government enough.

More like throwing a hissy fits about using nukes against their costumers.

good point, I wonder if all the big bucks spent by USN since then addressed that, given missiles also better now. IMO the main prob is ships are all so unarmored these days, with multiple single failure points. IMO what is needed is a 20,000 ton ship with the firepower of a 10yr old typical 8,000 ton USN destroyer, but with everything spread out and behind spaced armor, and some redundancy. Get away from the 20lbs of shit in a 5lb sack concept, and build a nice roomy ship with lots of extra space and "room to grow". Missiles are gonna hit, so make it so a hit has a 20% chance of doing serious damage rather than a 100% chance. Forget stealth, instead misdirect incoming missiles in the last 3 miles by decoys, jamming, towed arrays, etc.

Israel lost a destroyer to a Soviet built guided missile boat in 1967, and the Jews haven't had a ship over 2000 tons since, and stayed away from anything over 1000 tons until recently.

Chinese don't have enough brains to invent anything. They DISCOVERED gunpower by accident….probably doing trial and error cooking of something to make their little dicks grow.
Let me explain the state of "Chinese science" to this day. A rhino horn is same general shape as an erect penis, sort of, and its rare, thus….surely it will make you dick hard if you eat some rhino horn. That is what "wise men" in China will spend big money on.

Hey, what can I say, it just works :^)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra-class_frigate
Armament:

Becuase tha poor chinese dindu nuffin, they was be peaceful people, until da wyte man showed up and use it fo evil >:(

You're joking right?

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Obviously but it's not as much as a joke as the Chinese Navy.

You do know they all have better guns, CONSIDERABLY better missiles (in VLS blocks of 32) and better CIWS right?
And there are 5 time more of them.
Without the subs, which all important parts are also made in France/Germany just like yours…
And their new one is even a fucking sailess sub like everyone "future designs" (read french/swedish/german for "shit we can't afford").

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I'd legit have confidence in our navy to defeat the chinks tbh

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Barely a challenge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outpost_Harry.

Is this your brain on EU serfdom?

So what? You want a cookie?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Twin_Tunnels
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chipyong-ni

Look the dates and realize what it means.
10 VS 1

What's the point in even maintaining them if they can't be used for leverage.

But user, thinking about how starving Africans hunt highly endangered species for your amusement does make your dick grow. Don't knock it if it works.

Is there something you want to tell us about Chinese penises user?

>the USA had the industrial power to produce ships in mass during war time.

The American ship building industry isn't even a shadow or its former self, it doesn't even exist anymore outside of a handful of facilities operating exclusively off of DoD welfare bucks. US shipbuilding capacity is limited to the bare minimum of what current DoD demand requires. Even if we got into a war and decided to open the funding floodgates, it would take decades to rebuild the abandoned infrastructure, recreate the industrial base, and train up the entire pool of skilled labor from scratch.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Twin_Tunnels
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chipyong-ni

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There's your answer.

Yes but you're unhinged and genocidal so it's probably a good thing you don't have your finger on the button.

Russian land invasion of the North America when?

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Yeah or you know…
Korea numbers are greatly exaggerated (I've never seen a description of a battle where a UN unit, that are typically 2-3 battalions, encountered a "regiment". It's always "division" often several) and/or the chink sent waves after waves of infantry with no support (in most credible accounts there is 0 chink support fire) that look like suicide missions for internal political reasons (purge of the nationalists that had surrendered, purge of non-Mao aligned officers that had clout due to their accomplishment in the civil war) and is drastically different from the fighting in mainland China (the commies did won over a force more numerous, supposedly better trained, it was US-trained, with to 50k veterans US soldier there after 1945, and supposedly more mobile/technological. Except the opposite happened) which unlike the US in WWII (which had ended long enough ago for the US to pension all the veterans) was still ongoing a year before so there is little logical reason for them to suck that much when they clearly didn't suck that much… unless it's all those KMT troops that had surrendered and were told to go redeem themselves.

And world war 3 isn't worth one Greeks ambitions on Anatolia.

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Absolutely eternal.

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Are you seriously suggesting that Anatolia is rightful Turkish clay?

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You know, considering about how much you limey shits wail about muh crown and muh empire, you sure are lenient when it comes to the Turks and all the faithful subjects they left dead at Gallipoli.

Negro Sickxons should have been exterminated in ww1 to prevent widespread kike infestation.

It is but I'd rather they won without giving everyone the right to launch their nuclear arsenals.

It's Greek, t*rks are a spook.

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Neither the Greeks nor the Turks are nuclear powers. As long as they can keep Russia, the Burgers, or Pakistan out of it (pakistan included as they seem to see their arsenal as 'Islamic bombs') then it would just be an old fashioned meatgrinder rather than a nukefest.

The Greeks would almost certainly have to go full scorched earth genocide though, as the Seljuk horde would have women and children as eager guerrilla conscripts. In that case the entire campaign would be set to a nonstop backing track of the UN and media darlings squealing themselves into a tizzy, which would be entertaining as long as we could find a way to keep the nuclear powers out of the fight. covert aid to the combatants would be one thing and is only to be expected, but active involvement is only going to end in nukings

WW3 is it's own reward.
Not wanting to at least retake Constantinople in 2019 is a proof of homosexuality.
But then you're a brit you let turkroache invade Cyprus unhindered despite them parking tanks in shooting range of your runway.

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Let's get back to the subject.

Previous dickwaving posts aside, I want to admit that solely due to the rule of cool I think some superbig capital ships might have their purpose as flagships and strategic morale boosters and for intimidation as long as you don't seriously revolve your whole naval dogma around them, I think a single Nimitz sized or bigger supercarrier with Kuznetzov's self-protection and Kirov-tier secondary offensive capabilities would be perfect for the purpose even if it would be a complete moneysink, tactically impractical and generally a burden in terms of logistics, especially when you have to MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE IT WON'T GET SUNK during wartime.
Fe:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_cruiser_Georgios_Averof#History
It was a mere borderline obsolete armoured cruiser when commissioned, not even built by us and just opportunistically saved from scrapping but we managed to hype it into becoming central to our national psyche solely for being the biggest most heavily armed combat ship in our millennia long Naval tradition . Same goes for the Yamato.

Other than that I think the biggest ship that can actually have a practical purpose in modern naval warfare is an at most Ticonderoga-sized Aegis cruiser or, ideally, multiple Kongo-like Aegis capable destroyers assuming they have networking capabilities that allows them air-surveillance and interception capabilities of the previous at similar operating cost. IMO, other than their obvious and direct benefits, having a quasi centralized airspace shield with a few big flamboyant targets that are nearly invulnerable from air not only is perfect bait to force your foe's hand but also a perfect distraction from an entire fleet of smaller vessels doing the actual job.

PS: I might just be talking shit since I have to admit I have not the singlest clue on how viable small vessels can be a for an actual blue-water transoceanic navy.

That's a rather expensive photo op you're planning there. If you're looking for naval propaganda then you'd get about the same effect from a very well coordinated/choreographed exercise every now and then that you video and publicise (separate from the actual naval training exercises) at a much lower cost.

Besides if you put together some kind of 1930's style Dreadnought as a PR piece it would just spend its life permanently moored as some kind of tourist attraction.

So what would be the best way to liberate occupied Byzantium in the event the US in CY+1X is too busy being at war with itself to intervene?
Would Kurds support Greece and frens if they promised them their own Nation in eastern Anatolia?
Would Russia help out the roaches or would they help out the Greco-Serbian army in exchange for stationing Russian ICBMs postwar?
What wuld China, Iran and Pissrael do?

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So what would be the most sensible way to invade occupied Byzantium for the purpose of eradicating the Turkroach menance and reinstating the eastern Roman empire in the event the US is too busy fighting itself at home to intervene?
Would Kurds join the Greco-Serbian alliance if they were promised their own nationstate in east Anatolia?
Would Russia help the Roaches or provide support the Greeks in exchange for Russian ICBMs being stationed in postwar Anatolia?
What would China, Iran and Pissrael do?

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Let's be honest they're both integral to the U.S. N.A.T.O's containment strategy for Russia in the the black sea. There would be multiple nuclear armed parties involved on both sides because Anatolia falling to the Greeks would represent a major geo-political shift.

Not to mention the amount of kvetching that Greeks genociding Turks would cause…

Oh come the fuck up, we know it's not the same, especially when its used as the expeditionary face of an invasion or occupation, plus it can have some opportunistic tactical uses when your opponents are on the goatfucker level and are close to the sea but not close enough to hit with medium-short range missiles.
for example:

Are your politicians corrupt enough to pump ~100% of your defence budget into a single project? Is your military house-trained enough to not stage a coup when they're told that all that money has gone to a single navy PR job?

I want to remind all involved that the USS Iowa saw action in the Lebanese Civil War and that the USS Wisconsin and USS Missouri were used to good effect during the Gulf War. China and Russia have decent anti-ship capabilities. The rest of the world, the majority of it, does not and will just have to sit there while it takes 16 inch shells up the ass from 24 miles away.

So his idea is to build very expensive floating artillery batteries that do the same jobs as much cheaper and most likely more effective (but less sexy) monitors. That's still not great.

Congratulations. Want a cookie or something?

MacArthur shouldve been allowed to rip out the chinese communists with nuclear talons.

Until the United States is willing to be realistic when it comes to race realism, israel, the international jewish banking cartel, islam, It will be impossible to successfully counter the chinese in the pacific or the world market.

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Storm Büchel airbase and steal the US nukes stored there, proceed to glass the most populous Turkish cities you can find, then march into occupied Adrianople to secure the highway going through there for a rapid advance towards occupied Constantinople with your main army since it'd be best to be over the Bosporus by the time the Turks have formed a response. Have militias have some fun genocide all Turks in retaken lands to prevent terrorist attacks.

Touch any Greek ruins and I'll have the ones responsible gifted to mexican cartels for live face skinning

Seems pretty relevant to me.

Performing well doesn't mean that multiple vessels of its equal cost and total tonnage would not perform much better. Triremes with catapults would probably do more damage for the equivalent cost.

Neutron bombs exist for cases like that, though biochems would be much more preferred.

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That sounds like the sort of navy that would be too large for the Mediterranean. As in you would run out of water before you ran out of boats.

This is why the gods gave us gas. You can dump several thousand tonnes of Phosgene and Mustard on a city without damaging the architecture or anything of historical relevance. protip Greece: When you reclaim Anatolia use gas Worst case scenario you need to redo the paintwork/finish, all in all a worthwhile trade-off.

Giving a shit about genocide is a front liberals put up to achieve their given agenda's. It's only ever an international incident if it's convenient to the west and the globohomo agenda.

The U.S. was founded by supremacist Anglos, where did it all go so wrong?

World War 2.

The War of Northern Aggression.

Just friendly reminder Europeans stole gunpowder and gun ideas from arabs…

Shoo!

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Like pretty much everything 2000 years ago because online libraries wasnt a thing?

Lol, get RAIDed, Abdul

It is exactly because it was founded by cultureless, mongrel anglo rejects that it failed immediately.

They didn't purge Jews.

I fucking know some of the turkroach were larping as german.

Who stole their ideas from chinks indian and greeks what's your point?

Best answer tbf, when economic issues gained primacy over maintaining the nation.

Chinese were unable to do what a few Nazi rocket scientists, and what a few CANADIAN aircraft builders, were doing in the 1950s even though they had full access to our factories, universities, etc, until we gifted them their entire programs.

Recently, the Chinese made an unauthorized copy of a USSR era jet. It keeps crashing and the don't know why. The Chinese race's intelligence seems to have a "hard ceiling" somewhere below what it takes to create a 1970s tech automobile from scratch. That is when cars first started getting "control module" or "engine brain".

As a Southern Gentleman pointed out after the war, there was no longer an "American People".

yep, you'd thought maybe with Puritans and Quakers, and WITCH TRIALS, and Indian slaughters, and Jews aiding and corrupting Indians, that we'd have keep Jews out. However, they seemed to have sneaked in when we allowed open immigration from Europe for "Whites". That and all the Jewish slave owners in the South who were grandfathered in.

Chinks until the return of HK and Shanghai was still a miserable and humiliated backwater race, bullied by the West not too long ago.
Now the allied subhumans are doing their sentence for 1945, chinks are not concerned about any of that. To deny that and to dream of colonizing the East again is pure LARP.
I would love to these the mutts attempt this though. The world needs a culling anyway, and chinks and vatniks can never actually colonize 500km away from their borders. In fact, globohomo facilitates an actual effective, insidious form of colonization.

The ceiling is literally their entire manufacturing base.

Their scientists are very close to ours, maybe 10-20 years behind but that's still practically on par. In a country of 1 billion people they can find at least as many smart people as America can in a country of 300 million.

Problem is their manufacturers are hiring from the general chinese population which is dumb as shit. They had water pumps in nuclear reactors crash because the people who maintain them throw cigarette butts and other trash into the coolant.

It will take them hundreds of years to copy European culture because we just have an ingrained sense of hygiene and precision, every European without this sense died of the plague or something else just as dangerous.

Do you even need to ask?

Not saying Greece should have a supercarrier, battleship or heavy cruiser, they are completely unrelated to our naval dogma and we have museum pieces museum for the suggested purpose. What I'm saying is that every frog citizen recognizes Charles De Gaulle, every bong recognizes HMS Illustrious and HMS Queen Elizabeth, every ruskie recognizes Admiral Kuznetsov and every chink or pajeet that can afford a TV can recognize Liaoning and Vikramaditya respectively and even every huemonkey in favela can recognize Sao Paolo, while I doubt half Americans would know what a "Nimitz-class" is or even the name of the current US Flagships (I had to google those).

Having a big bad combat-able juggernaut does have its purpose as a symbol of prestige and power, shaping your whole naval strategies around it is what's burdening and shaping your whole naval strategies around it so much that you make many of them is downright counter-effective to the ship's original purpose in addition to being an archaic resource-sinkhole.

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