China and Vietnam

>defeated the most powerful White nation plus a few thousand nigger meatshields of history

A chink invasion attempt is probably the best thing that can happen for your national pride, autonomy and international image at the moment, especially given that you're going to have shitloads of convert aid from Murka, Russia and India at the same time.

It's not the 70s anymore.

Back then the North was supported heavily by the USSR and the chinks, and the US were pussies, they were never going to invade the North so the war is just a matter of time while the South is ocean away from the US.

But looking at it now, Hanoi is directly at China's mouth, and Hanoi is the head of the current government of Vietnam.

Unlike the US, the chinks can occupy and do it for a long time since China is right next to Vietnam.

The chinese can't even occupy tibet, which is officially part of their territory. They're also losing badly in border clashes with India, so I'm not seeing how they're supposed to just "occupy hanoi".

The only thing Chinese can do is be rude on the open sea and build concrete fortresses on tiny islands.

Well, the chinks are genociding tibet, and being successful at it.
Well, let's just say the vietnamese army hasn't advanced since the 70s.

I think we are still using T-64.

Don't mistake that for coward talk though.

When I'm gotta fight, I'm gonna fight.

It would be interesting…

This.

So are the Chinese fundamentally, they just put alumina panels on them which made them overweight and make them look like an angly piece of shit. And with higher altitude engine power drops because of lower oxygen content. It's why they couldn't bring a tank onto the Himalayas to oppress the Tibetans, their T-64 abortion literally can't climb a hill.
China just in 2017 invented a tank with no armor and a 100mm gun using a weak ass T-64 engine so it could operate in Tibet, at that altitude. Picrel it's 30 tonnes and based on a IFV hull.

Fucking just get a lot of MLRS, there is a reason Russia likes it, because you can wipe out a Chinese brigade in less than 60 seconds. And keep doing it over and over and over and over until they run out of bugmen because Chinks can't change their tactics.

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what if you run out of ammo?

Did you streloks did not heed what said? China might be a delusional country headed by a thin-skinned honey bear but please don’t underestimate the enemy. Even if their army is sub-par by first world standards, that doesn’t mean that they won’t trounce their SEA neighbors in a land battle or sea battle.
That was in the late 70’s and China only see the war as a testing ground to see if their human-wave tactics still worked it did not. The PLA performed so fucking badly that once finished their objective (aka just going to their border and wreck some shit) they pretty much went up and left destroying everything in their wake. But they have changed since then, this is why they are eyeing to copy FUCKING EVERYTHING since the new tech would supplement their numbers.
I think you do not know the gravity of situation here since you don’t live next door to them, unlike our resident gooknigger here.

If an industrial nation runs out of solid rocket fuel and sheet metal pipes, they deserve to be exterminated.

The thing is they had multiple opportunities and even necessities to do so and never even showed an interest in doing it.

The SU gave Vietnam a fuckton of those during that little spat in 79.

They should have learned that lesson in 53. Continuing on with it in 79 shows they're incapable of learning from mistakes.

What do Chinese infantry tactics look like?

China hasn't been in a full war since the 70s-80s, so it's different to gauge, but it seems they use combined arms tactics like everyone else now.

Still a viable strategy,especially if those civies are not theirs.

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China already tried to invade Vietnam and got absolutely dabbed on.

This war already happened and once again China proved its eternal incompetence if not bugman retardation. Chinks can't take care of random Muslims in the badlands, Tibetans, and fucking India, why the hell would they lose a war against the supreme nation of Indochina. Also America won the war in terms of actual fighting and we were there to carry the south.

With the difference that they don't have the experience or capability to put that to use and the individual skill of the Ground Force, Air Force and Navy is lacking. Chinkoids can't even make fitting camo for their units and they are absolutely FUCKED in the mountains.
"Combined arms" will inherently mean strategy, not tactics. Strategy is macro, tactics is micro.

The one and only MAYBE competent unit China has is the Rocket Force because all they have to do is click on a Beidou map and press a button.

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Well, like China, Vietnam hasn't been in a war since the 70s-80s.

But unlike China, Vietnam doesn't have shit, old shit or new shit.

It's also possible to have combined arms tactics, in fact all western tactics are based on it. A simple infantry fireteam has no ability to kill the enemy without help from artillery or aircraft, their only purpose is to do one small specialized task of harrying the enemy, slowing his movement, and hopefully pinning them down for High Explosive to do the job. That's why when western wars come about we shoot a million rounds to kill one enemy, because the bullets are basically a stream of "don't go there, stay where you are" signalling, until High Explosive can arrive to do the actual killing.

High Explosive is still king, although Russians do use Low Explosive for the same purpose because they're evil bastards.

spraying water at a boat you don't like is SO bitch-tier.

I'll give the Russians one thing, they didn't spray water on that USN ship, they banged up against it.

Context on that first pic?

Are tankers the anti-bitch?

You bet, bitch.

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I've heard of some new radar technology being used to map the true ground elevation of places like the amazon jungle with dense tree cover and little to no infrastructure. It apparently revealed a few old incan or something structures buried in the jungle. Would technology like this make jungle combat any easier? would providing tree-by-tree maps of the jungle to soldiers help negate the serious mobility disadvantage of regular infantry?

They were testing out a new amphibious carrier/IFV thing and it sunk.

Why? You think Vietnam is still covered in jungle like in the 60s?

Here's the news, they cut down the trees faster than Agent Orange to sell timber to Laos/China.

That kind of sensor would probably have bloody awful lag. You'd get a decent idea of where the enemy had been just a little too late to vector artillery or air units onto them. Also, the average insurgent base is a lot less visible than a Mesoamerican pyramid, what sort of resolution does it have?

Russians should spray water. In the water they they typically are the ships will freeze to death.

Threadly reminder that's what happened last time a western uber super technological warship visited Vladivostok.The Russia had to lend them the de-icers from the storage fleets…
(It's a Worst Korean destroyer using exactly the same de-icing tech as US ships…)

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citation on the new incan structures?

No.
First of all, despite what burger thinks, the jungle is a neutral terrain. It doesn't favor anyone, past a few weeks of decent mobility training and puking your guts out to build local immunity and you're just as deep in shit as whoever you're fighting.

Second the problem in the jungle never was orientation, the north is still north in the jungle. The problem is visibility, which never exceed 50m, meaning you can't really bring firepower advantage to bear, meaning you can't really bring maneuver training advantage to bear… because you just don't know where the enemy is.
But it's completely neutral… it works both ways. Once you realize that and you adapt your tactics and maneuver to it (which the brits did perfectly in late WWII and the subsequent colonial insurgencies), fighting in the jungle is nothing special.

What are these tactics? I mean, it sounds like that you just have to be mentally prepared that you can run into the enemy at any time.

whoa whoa whoa. Hol up *smacks lips* so you be sayin' that the poojeets have learned from the 1962 war? please citation

reminds me of the based Orkan M-87 (sad there are only 4 now in use by Serbia). Love the idea of an on the cheap MLRS based on a commercial truck.

seconding wanting to know WW2+malayan emergency strategies.

Just look up the "Fourgotten" Army history (British XIV army).
Basically 20k brits (mostly locals to boot) VS 100k Japanese (and around the same number of nationalist poo)…
After the initial Bill Slim (Field Marshal William Joseph Slim, 1st Viscount Slim, KG, GCB, GCMG, GCVO, GBE, DSO, MC, KStJ) realized that NO the nips weren't "good" at jungle fighting. They hated it as much as anyone.
He also realized that the Japanese would rather die than surrender… so fighting them was a terrible idea, all he had to do was putting them in a situation they had to do surrender (logically)… and watch them off themselves.

So he did the completely counter-intuitive thing to do, traded out his vehicles and almost all his motor vehicles for mules or airborne when possible.
That way he concentrated his few tanks with logistic and arty support to wipe out the few nips in the area those could be used as a battering ram, but it also gave his infantry good mobility, so he used his now quick infantry to cut off the nip lines bypassing most of the worst terrain on foot.
Then he did the thing also counter intuitive and quickly proceeded to NOT attack the Japanese (as he knew he was 1 VS 5 and worse he wouldn't get any reinforcement as he wasn't a priority while the nips were seriously pushing for India) and just do this: cut off their lines, use the jungle against them, avoid all unnecessary combat, focusing on supplies interdiction, then he told his men to always assume they were surrounded the minute they lost contact and dig in as he had prepared the necessary to have supplies delivered by air instead.

The result: the nips overextended, they had way too many people to supply that even doing nip things (the infamous Burma Death Railway…), they were in a position were the only choice was to surrender… so they just starved to death and died of malaria.
The thing was compounded by the fact the Japanese knew the British weren't that many and were second rate troops so they didn't stockpiled much supplies. They though that the soldiers wouldn't fight the poo nationalists and that the army would quickly collapse (as the British armies had tend to do prior).
Except that was the reason as to why it was so small in the first place because Lord Mountbatten and Slim weren't idiots they knew the area politics way better than the Japanese, their troops were roughly only 1/3 British but the rest weren't with many of the same nationalist poo (mostly Bengali, a few Gurkha, some mulsims, some Sikh, some Pakistani, lots of Marathi of old British service traditions) in it and everyone had to volunteer to serve.
So basically those guys were all British loyalists to begin with, used to quash rebellions and quite a few with already combat experience against the Italians as they were stationed in Africa and the middle east. Basically the exact opposite of what the Japanese had fought before.

It's one of the most brilliant campaign of WWII.
And nobody knows it.

You are save here, Sam… show me on the puppet where the rice farmer touched you.

Neither China nor Vietnam uses T-64, stop talking out of your ass.

Chinese tanks have nothing to do with soviet designs save for the Type 59 that is a T-54A without night equipment and already had a different stabilization system and the Type 60 that is a PT-76.
All subsequent tanks are an evolution of those designs but they're 100% domestic and quite often integrate LICENSE-build western equipment.
FFS most of their tanks use NATO 105mm shells for they have L7 guns mounted on them…

Saying that the Type 96 is a T-54 because they have some common design elements (as in the turret shape, where people sit, etc…) is like saying the M1 is a M48 with extra armor.

lol almost everything in their arsenal can be directly traced back to soviet equipment, and any 'evolution' of design were really copies of improvements made elsewhere.

Their type 80 series, which is the main tank they rely on and the one most seriously in use is basically a T-54 that took some design lessons from T-64 and T-72, then sprinkle applique armor over their shame. It also has such low engine power that it can't climb hills which is pretty funny.

Just because its shapes its turret to look like a western tank doesn't make it a western tank.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People's_Ground_Forces
Yeah, even worse, we use T-62.

Though I didn't know we import T-90, nice.

Congratulation, you're as dumb as a burger, you can't even read a proper sentence.
The Type 80 series have NOTHING in common with T-54 except a general exterior appearance. Which is saying utterly nothing, except that of course that any manufacturers tend to stay with shit they know how to do.

And for a good reason as the tanks they're (suspiciously) the closest to is the Vickers MBT and they followed almost entirely the same design changes as Vickers prototypes went through (again not suspicious at all).

I thought tank shape was vital to its defensive characteristics.

It does, but having the same general shape doesn't fucking means it's the same tank.
It's like the retards that think that the sturmgewher is the AK ancestor… when in fact an AK is closer to a fucking M1 Garand.

They used a cast round turret on the original because it's what they knew they could make and once they got the tech to make wielded composite armor they did that.

Amusingly enough the other tank made in china, (but that they don''t use, the Type 90) the one they sell to Pakistan and what not… ARE T-64-based and they got the tech wholesale from Ukraine on the cheap along with their wives and daughter to pay for vodka bills in the 90's.

spraying water is a bitch move.

why do Russians ram US warships instead of spraying water? because they ain't bitches.

Aksually, it seems like it's USA who deliberately rams their ship into russian.

Mate how the FUCK is that bad?
The current PLAN is still a joke I used to live next to the Hainan base fleet…. There destroyers were Argentina tier… Granted, better than Vietnam but not by much.

Here's my take. Vietnam's survival depends on if the fuckers
1) Want to fight a gorilla war on the level of Afghanistan
2) Some other country closes the straights of Malaca or Hormuz.
This is because the chinese have TWO FUCKING weeks of Oil reserves for their military. THREE DAYS of oil for the entire economy. The PLA isn't the suicidal fanatics that just finished fighting the war with Japan, Korea, and under mao's orders fought the Indians in 64' while carving out a road of blood through tibet with no heavy equipment paid for in blood (5-10 bodies per km or 0.6 miles) and literally used sheep to transport logistics My great grandfather was on that trip….Then he saw the horrors known as the cultural revolution/GLF and came anti-commie. The current chinese army is more of a force dedicated to quelling internal decent and the eventual showdown with Russia/India filled with political transplants that make US muh tranny/wymn soldiers look good. The only thing keeping them relatively in line is the threat of execution. In addition, a motorized/mechanized force is not going to do well in the jungle. We all know what happened last time the US came to vietnam.

Frog annon. They have a few 'design/factory' plants based in Yunnan/Sichuan (middle of bumfuck nowhere jungle usually) from what I heard. Apparently they straight up hired the entire groups of some of the Ex-soviet armarment designers and transplanted them there…. Those are rumors but I would not be surprised because there are no foreigners usually on G317/G318 in that area and the government tries to prevent that area from being a tourist attraction on purpose….

What if the Soviet designers got drunk and just threw things on the blueprints that didn't work? Not like the Chinks would notice.