Also my IP changed, I wrote
So please don't be confused.
I got saved!
Colton Ramirez
Jackson White
i believe in the trinity, i just have difficulty understanding/expressing it because i haven't studied it, and my family is against the trinity doctrine because they've spent too much time with JW out of convenience. Can you show me where the holy spirit is a distinct person in the bible? I know that it's three distinct persons within the Godhead, although i haven't really looked into the trinity beyond this video and very general advice on it.
I just did that so as to not quote the entire post, it would be comically foolish to try to change what you said with a quote.
I was not prepared to make this thread. How do i know if I'm actually saved, or is it just a denominational meme? Can you lose salvation? or did God just give me an unexplainable peace without actual salvation? The only reason i'm calling it salvation is because my pastor called it that, he also knows that i lost it and got it back.
It's just a regular church but it's one of those "bible first" sort of churches that is also kind of anti-catholic. I'll ask my pastor about the Nicene Creed.
Camden Ortiz
spiritual-experiences.com
archive.is
Part of the reason i made this thread was to ask if any of you have had this sensation in your chest before, as described in the link above? Salvation or not, i have the same feeling except it's all the time.
Sebastian King
Well, it's a great society of people (angels also count, I suppose), founded by Christ and still present, which (more precisely, the part still on Earth - those who died saved also belong to the Church, but we don't how many of them there are) currently numbers around 1.3 billion people.
I would think it's obvious that it's a society and not a building, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
First, in case I wasn't sufficiently clear in my previous posts, to avoid any unnecessary misunderstandings (and for others who are reading this), I will try to succintly state my position.
We believe that God already deposited the doctrines of Christianity and isn't going to add anything to them. A portion of this revelation was given to us in the form of a book, namely the Bible; but not all, and some doctrines were given in some other medium: e.g. if the Apostles taught something as infallible dogma to be believed by the faithful, but didn't write it down in the Bible, it would belong to this category.
Sola Scriptura, in its usual meaning, claims that the second of these portions of revelation doesn't exist. One way to show that this is false is by finding at least one piece of revelation contained in this second portion, which I will do in another post below.
If we consider Sola Scriptura as what you seem to mean by it - a practical principle, in which you treat Bible as the only objective source of dogma, even though you accept others might exist - then this also is wrong. If you consider the Bible as the objective, independent from you, deposit of revealed doctrine - then your principle is wrong, because whatever revealed doctrine exist outside the Bible, they too must be abstract truths - absolutely independent from you and objectively true.
But now you might say that you don't know whether, while trying to find this objective, independent, abstract truth you will succeed - that you might be misled on the way, accidentally misinterpret something and think that you have reached this truth, and out of fear that you will in the process come to believe something false, you avoid these and stay only with the Bible.
But the objective, independent truth that the Bible contains is equally "hidden" - you still have to actively study the text to reach it, and in the process you can still be misled, misinterpret something, etc. So such an objection would apply to the Bible too.
Your "helpful simplification" has so far not led you to the Church that is the body of Christ, which God gave the world to save it from Hell.
There is a much easier, more efficient and better way to reach Divine truth: namely, to rely on that which God established as, as 1 Timothy 3:15 says, "the pillar and foundation of truth" - that is, the Church. Surely you can't go wrong with relying on "pillar and foundation of truth", can you?
And since we know (e.g. from His promise in Matthew 16:18) that Jesus will always protect his Church, we can also know that this "pillar and foundation of truth" is still here, still preaching and passing down that truth given to it by Christ, no matter how many false doctrines, invented by men, appear outside in churches founded by men.
Now, if you want to know where this Church of God remains: how many churches can you name which can trace their history back to Christ and his Apostles?
Leo Morris
Oh, i didn't see your point there. I missed that it was a society as well as a church.
That is also true.
Regardless, Churches have fallen to hell with rainbow flags, and freemasons moving Christians out of them for their formation "prayers", both baptist and Catholic. They clearly have control. Did Jesus mean that there is some secret niche church out there that hasn't been taken over by something? This is why i am so disillusioned by the most convenient churches.
Levi Lopez
Papists in this thread are SEETHING at the fact that this man has been saved. Papists will never know this feeling.
Joseph Allen
lol is this was brotties actually believe?
Blake Bailey
So much needless denominational autism in this thread!
Lucas Wilson
Stop bothering the Catholics, i actually have a lot of questions for Catholicism and lots of confusion i'd like to clear up, they're not angry nor being narrow minded about it.
Nolan Peterson
(Bump because I'm going to finish my reply soon and don't want the thread to fall off in the meanwhile)