The Appeal of Fringe Metal

Not sure how Zig Forums related this is, but perhaps this can lead to some discussion of the underlying worldviews of some who stand in opposition of us.

One common thread I've noticed amongst far-right pagans, atheists, the alt right/dissident right, fascists, national socialists, so-called "traditionalists", nihilists, the far right in general and tumbler-esque sub-labels of the aforementioned (i.e. anarcho-syndicalist-communo-fascists, etc.) is a love of fringe metal. I.e. Black, Death, Thrash, and all the associated little sub-genres and mashup/crossbred genres. But why?

I've heard two polar opposite accounts of this phenomenon: one side claiming that such music shares kinship with other complex and revered forms of music, such as classical and jazz; another side purports that such music is intentionally made to be low in sound quality and fidelity in order to be more "raw" and "genuine." Either way, there was a time that I sincerely tried to give such genres of music a chance because of how hyped they were in such communities, only to be shocked and disappointed by, with a few rare exceptions, how same-ish, monotonous and repetitive such so-called complex and raw and sincere forms of such music are. Hear one song or album, and you've basically heard it all. I recently mislabeled a Death Metal song as Thrash Metal, because I could barely tell the difference.

Regardless of the reasoning, the various political/religious movements I mentioned all seem to preach some variation of a an anti-modernist pro-traditional values mindset. So why do such groups adore a set of musical sub-genres that revel in degenerate lyrics and aesthetics, with some groups at the very least indulging in displays of shock and exploitation if not being just outright Satanic? Christian fans of even so-called "Christian" forms of such music puzzle me even further, as such music, on a purely sonic and sound level, is designed from the ground up to kindle passions of anger, rage and sometimes despair, and slapping "Jesus" into the lyrics doesn't seem like it's going to change that aspect that much, if at all.

So what does it say about the subconscious and psychology of those who claim to be for traditional and family values, and yet champion a form of music that even traditionalists of old would be repulsed by? One such "traditionalist nihilist" organization, American Nihilist Underground Society, (which actually uses an acronym form of their name, which I will avoid using here for obvious reasons) even outright promotes and celebrates the "International Day of Slayer."

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I actually saw Slayer last month. They were pretty good. Me and my buddy were the only guys there without tattoos.

The appeal of metal to me is like you state in the third paragraph; metal is the closest thing we have to modern classical and musically-educated music. When I saw Dream Theater, I was blown away my their musical prowess. Listening to Symphony X and Nevermore (totally gnostic/athiest lyrical garbage) is still a wonderful experience, due to the musical technically and mastery of their art. There are great metal options for those opposed to the lyrics, such as anything by Ron Jarzombek or Keith Merrow.

The phenomenon you refer to in the third paragraph about the monotony is a noticable problem in modern metal. Prog, instead of being about being different, is now about everyone being the same… in a different way. Think of it like when counterculture becomes norm: Every prog metal band sounds different from normal metal bands… but they sound the same as other prog bands.

I think that this music and the Faith are mostly compatible, and can be healthy as long as a Christ-first mindset always comes first. Have an understand that the lyrics are garbage, but they are still showing mastery of the gift of music that we are blessed with, even if the music is not being used to praise Christ as Luther stated it should be.

In all fairness, the songs of a musical genre you haven't developed an ear for are all going to sound the same. There's some crossover in fanbase, but not entirely. There's many who stick to traditional heavy metal that can't stand the newer subgenres.

Heavy metal is the logical conclusion of rock music. It was The Beatles who mainstreamed mysticism, drug use, and sexual hedonism. The moral order was completely thrown out during the 60's, which is when the horror genre arose (a symptom of mass sexual depravity). Bands like Black Sabbath, KISS, and The Misfits suddenly appear, the kernel of every metal subgenre from then on. Then you've got Judas Priest and Iron Maiden who both sing explicitly about the devil. Metallica shows up and ditches the campy costumes but keeps the rebellion and anger. Women are increasingly absent from the scene; see this excerpt of an interview with Axl Rose not-quite putting his finger on the issue of repressed homosexuality rampant in the scene (see embed). The sexual dichotomy reappears with the effeminate Nirvana and the macho Pantera, both becoming the seminal bases for modern rock music, and both adopting sufficiently anti-Christian band names as required by this point.

It's important to understand the nature of enduring music. It is inspired, both lyrically and musically, and separating the two for any reason other than parody will dispel the magic and be awkward. "Christian rock" is like a peanut butter & tuna fish sandwich.

anyone else like K-pop here?
its rather wholesome and very fun.
there's a dating ban for idols so not much hendonism either.

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Metal is for fags

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You're seriously defending the music industry.

I used to exclusively listen to metal before I was saved. Now I can't enjoy it because the majority is blatantly obvious Satanism and I feel like I'm blaspheming the Lord by even letting my ears be exposed to such. I agree with you about the design to fuel strong negative emotions. If I listen to the music I used to adore so much, it just sounds like Hell music for sinners anymore tbh.

I was raised with metal all around, and honestly, it makes up a significant amount of my favorite music.
However, I know that there is a lot of bad stuff out there in metal. For example, the Norse black metal bands, and other extreme stuff like that. Those that led to the church burnings.
Let's not forget that even a band like slayer, can make a song that we can endorse. See their song Silent Scream as my prime example.
In the end, there are some good and some bad about metal. You have to just find the good.

This is the band whose appeal I understand the least of all (part of the reason for the OP pic.) I listened to the album "Reign in Blood" most of the way through; skipping around when the monotony got too much to bear. The entire album felt like I was essentially listening to the same song over and over and over again with only subtle variations. The lyrics were like bad high school goth poetry, and the front man's style of recitation of said lyrics was utterly laughable and cringe-worthy. Yet a LOT of far-right traditionalists absolutely WORSHIP this band. It makes no sense to me.

As for the argument of spiritual strength and discernment, as advocated by you and to a certain extent, I agree, but it has it's limitations. Well made metal music with secular lyrics? Fair enough. Outright Satanic lyrics and content? I think you are playing with fire, if not outright deluding yourselves.


I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. There have been other genres of music that I had only dipped my toe into in terms of only having heard a handful of bands at the time (dream pop, post-punk, shoegaze, house, ambient, techno, 70's soft rock, 70's classic rock and progressive rock, 80's mainstream metal, 80's indie/collegerock, 90's alternative, Acid Jazz, Trip Hop, etc.) and could pick up great diversity and identity amongst multiple bands immediately.

I know some of these cliche's have been done to death, but anytime I listen to a Death Metal, Black Metal or Thrash Metal band, respectively, I know that I'm more than likely going to encounter the same Cookie Monster vocals with over-the-top guitars, or the same high-pitched goblin-like screeching with glorified lo-fi white noise, or the same helicopter-like furious double bass pedal technique with speedy guitars and speedy slam-poetry like lyric readings. I have been able to discern from other genres of music a similar or worse level of same-ishness (trance, punk, 2000's era indie rock, ska, most post Korn Nu-Metal, so-called modern "Deep House",etc.)

Ironically, it's the more mainstream forms of late 70's to 80s to early 90's metal from which I pick up the most variety and identity immediately. I can easily tell the difference between Van Halen, Def Leppard, Poison, Dio, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Judas Priest, Guns & Roses, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Pantera, etc. Even Metallica and Motorhead have there own distinct identities, in spite of their obvious roots in the thrash and speed metal scenes.

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You and are right on about the degenerate roots of the metal scene as a whole, but what I've yet to hear anyone truly attempt to answer is why individuals who passionately identify themselves as pro-traditionalist and fascist, are so die-hard about a music scene that for the most part seems completely contrary to their worldview, and those that they claim to be following in the footsteps of. I.e. I cannot imagine Hitler, Mussolini, or Evola getting down to or approving of Slayer or Burzum.

If I had to take a few shots in the dark at this phenomenon, I think that it might boil down to these factors:

1. Roided up Emos - Most people in the Far-Right, Fascist scenes are angry and bitter at the world and humanity at large. Fringe metal like Black and Death Metal gives them a channel for such anger. At their core, a lot of Far-Righters and the bands they love are basically Emo/Goth with more testosterone. i.e., what if Joy Division went to the gym. Both raging against, yet ultimately feeling despair and hopelessness at the state of the modern world. Desiring to tear it all down, and remake it in their own twisted image.

2. The Hipster Effect - Left-wing urban Liberals don't have a monopoly on elitism via obscurity and rarity of taste (i.e. Hipsterism). Being part of fringe political movements, the Far-Right probably also wants that additional shot of faux elitism that comes from listening to Black, Death and Thrash metal bands that only five other people have ever heard of.

3. Having their cake and devouring it simultaneously - The Nihilism, and the moral fluidity that it engenders, that is endemic to Far Right fringe groups, allows it's members to be both moralists, while indulging in baser libertine tendencies A lot of Black and Death Metal bands have themes that can best be described as "Eat the Weak." The previously mentioned, "American Nihilist Underground Society" even literally has "Sodomize the Weak" as it's mission statement:

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and have been known to go on trolling/terror campaigns.

The Scandinavian Black Metal documentary "Until the Light Takes Us," has Varg Vikernes, IIRC, or someone else in the scene outright state that some of the Satanism present in Black Metal was supposedly intended to be just a Vaudeville act intended to scare and drive out Christianity (and with it, the meekness, compassion and mercy that it espouses). Combined with the narcissism inflamed by the aforementioned Hipsterism, and you have a recipe for a movement of those claiming to be arbiters of morality, and at the same time, sociopathic monsters. Soi disant ubermensches indulging in their fantasies of being superior to and ultimately genociding the "souless bugmen" they so despise.

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That's true, some genres are more accessible to the casual listener. But you're still not going to find a thrash enthusiast who can't discern thrash from death metal.

That's true, some genres are more accessible to the casual listener. I used to think all reggae sounded the same, but I can identify all the subgenres easily after having developed an ear for it.
Thrash uses traditional heavy metal or punk rock style vocals, not growling. Black metal is derivative of death metal, so yes those are going to sounds very similar.
All bands which have pop sensibility and were dominant on the radio at some point. But many also have albums deep off the beaten path which only enthusiasts could appreciate.

I like it because it sounds aggressive and complex from a technical perspective in comparison to pop music.

I agree that the fandom is edgy though. Though I find it funny that they pretend to be tough by being for destruction, but take issue with God for saying that homosexuality is bad.

If you're concerned about the morals of any entertainer be it an actor, musician or whatever, it's better to just not listen to music or watch any TV or movies. At all. They are all depraved. Rock stars and actors do some disgusting things. Mostly sexual in nature. I kind of balance this out by knowing that they only do what any normie would do given the chance. Orgies, shit like that.

That said, I can still enjoy certain music and movies.Look up Silent Scream by slayer, it's actually a legit anti-abortion song and it's pretty good.

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it's called extreme metal
black metal and grindcore are supposed to have shitty production; as for thrash and death metal, that's not really the case. listen to vid related
t. brainlet

exactly

smh

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Metal is actual music. Along with j-pop.

Also, k-pop is trash.

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this is true metal

I'm geniuently angry at that statement, if this wasn't a Christian board I would have to respectfully punch you for spewing such nonsense.

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Speaking of horror, most of heavy metal bands of the past weren't even singing about the Devil as a way of worshipping him. True, there were some exceptions and honestly, it's just cringy edginess that isn't worth paying attention to in my opinion, but the majority of them were just using the occult themes as a way to create a horror atmosphere, mostly desciribng occult-themed events with no actual worship to be present.

I feel that the whole "worshipping devil" schtick that metal has is mostly due to the overreaction of the culture at the time to people making songs in a horror theme.

Hell, even more to the point, most of the songs that people consider satanic are just descriptions of things that the authors found scary and were actually inspired by horror movies in the first place.
Iron Maiden's 666? A description of a man witnessing terrifying satanist rituals and trying to inform the law and failing to do so, being possesed in the end. The lyrics literally read like a horror story and were made in such style because they were inspired by a horror in the first place.
Black Sabath's Black Sabath? The same, and it's the song named the same as their band. Their name isn't a sing of devil worshipping either, it's LITERALLY lifted from a horror movie.
The metal fans were generally fans of horror, made sung horror stories, people started screaming at them for worshipping satan, they responded by mocking them in a way of "if you say so", including more occult themes into their genre, and stupid people who weren't in on the joke, and thought worshipping devil was serious joined in.

Popularity exploded. Much like the current transgender zeitgeist, it didn't start but hit a wave of public consciousness at that time. From this and subsequent posts, I can see you are totally given over to the devil.

Scary stories were popular among people since always, legends about werewolves, vampires and other monstrosities didn't come out from nowhere. Besides even if, what the hell does that even prove? Why do you think that horror is necessairly evil? The genre has had both Christian and Non-Christian authors like mostly every genre ever created by man. Unless you literally think that exploring any darker subjects and analizying them, or even making people think about them, means that you've given yourself to the devil. Also I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really meant that, as I have never seen an example of "arise" being used in that fashion, so I hope you're not just trying to save face here.

This is a meaningless accussation, there is no argument you made to disprove anything I said and is nothing more than an ad hominem or an insult at best. I can make those too, look:

Based on this sentence alone I can say that your faith is completely shallow and blind, you do not think about it, you are not trying to find actual reasons for your faith and find solutions to the problems that are presented against it, instead chosing to wave away any form of criticism with "muh devil". Therefore, you are not truly of Christian faith and are only calling yourself like that, not truly indulging in it.

I'm not even saying that my statement about you is true, but that it's just as meaningful to the discussion as yours was.

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I'm a christian and I listen to death and black metal. Does that mean I'm a satanist?
Lol? The differences are huge. The main giveaway is that thrash metal generally uses 'normal' vocals.

I stopped listening to metal and rock because I think it might be sinful. I saw a Metallica when they came to Toronto last. It's really tempting to listen to it.

Why do you think it's sinful? I haven't come across any verses on this… and I don't think there are any on it.

During my edgy teenager days I used to listen to this type of music, now I mostly listen to martial industrial, synthwave, folk music, classical music and dark neofolk


Really? On the /fascist/ board before it was hacked people mostly posted martial industrial or old fascist songs, like "cara al sol" or the overused "horst wessel lied"

Oh you poor, poor sweet summer child, I got bad news for ya. It's time to throw all those albums into the trash and make a bonfire out of it.

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Hey on a semi ironic note does anyone know any good Christian Blackgaze (I guess Un-Blackgaze) or Experimental Metal bands?

God gave rock and roll to you. Put it in the soul of everyone.

I want Jesus to walk with me.

Every hour and every day, every moment in every way I lean on Jesus, the rock of my soul. I'm singing his praises wherever I go.
Once in the stillness of the late midnight hour I felt a presence of the Lord's saving power. I fell on my knees and cried to him there oh merciful savior, hear this sinner's prayer.

Why me Lord?
What have I ever done to deserve even one of the pleasures I've known.
Tell me Lord.
What did I ever do that was worth loving you or the kindness you've shown.

Lord help me Jesus, I've wasted it so help me Jesus. I know what I am.
But know that I know that I've needed you so, help me Jesus, my soul's in you hands.

Try me Lord.
If you think there's a way I can try all I've taken from you.
Maybe Lord I can show someone else what I've been through myself on my way back to you.

Lord help me Jesus, I've wasted it so help me Jesus. I know what I am.
But know that I know that I've needed you so, help me Jesus, my soul's in you hands.

The world is almost totally given over, and you've chosen to be milquetoast? Revelation 3

If you haven't thrown out your satanic music and horror films, that is a reflection of degeneracy.

You can use normal translations next time…