Drones in Guerilla Warfare

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You'd achieve the same effect by just bombing yourself and skipping the rest of the steps.

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How do common consumer fixed-wing RC planes/drones fare in the RCS department?
Would it be difficult to hide them from Patriots?

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They're not built with materials or structure specifically to counter radar, so they have that working against them. On the other hand they're a hell of a lot smaller and slower than the jets these systems were designed to engage. Aren't a lot of modern air defence systems programmed to only display objects that meet certain criteria (speed, signal strength, etc)? In that case the SAM may never see them. Even if they do spot and engage them though that's still potentially a winning exchange for the insurgents.

Oh yes, sure, constantly broadcast radio waves on all frequencies, forever, just in case someone whips out some home made drones. It's not like people can't just program some coordinates and make the whole thing fire and forget.
Oh, how could we see this happening! I guess the military will just have to spend multiple millions more on directional energy weapons (that won't be available anytime they're needed without being hella expensive).

Arguably a self guided drone-bomb would be vulnerable to more traditional firearms, at least in its terminal descent. Have every VIP/probable target guarded by a small detail armed with 12 bore shotguns (8 bores if they aren't some kind of mega-manlet) loaded with a mix of bird and buckshot and the attacks should be dramatically less effective.

Granted, that might be a little too Zig Forums grade for most military forces, and I'm pretty sure that most defence contractors would have no trouble turning a 'we need shotguns!' purchase order into a bill for a few hundred million - but it wouldn't have to be that retarded.

Imagine the look on the poor bastard's face when he lost sleep due to a dozen of so drones all screeching "IDW DA NYA" at him.

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with the lack of metals, they do pretty well, mainly because there's nothing much to reflect. Russian VHF and UHF have a hard time tracking regular quadcopters in any significant range to be effective (around 7.7km with them knowing where to look) and what they use on TOR have a hard time as well.

Worse case they think it's a few birds, best case you have so much that you saturate their subsystems and they can't deal with it.

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At the current point in time, its not possible. A common silver back gorilla weights between 136 to 195 kg.
Current drones simply cannot lift that.

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Drones under $25,000 use regular WIFI and a linux single board computer.
Military and Commercial camera drones use all sorts of weird technology and frequencies. to avoid jamming which would obviously be a huge flaw in their operation.

Some guy at the defcon talks was able to jam the cheaper drones but the more expensive ones the best he could do was make them fly a bit irratically.

To be clear he was actually able to completely take over the cheaper drones. Access the images on teh camera. Disconnect the controller and fly it himself. etc etc

That was my reaction. Learn 2 interwebz

Thanks.

Sure, it's not as fancy as laser or GPS guided weapons, but it gets the job done.

He was also able to completely ground the expensive drone with a few magnets.

How high up do you think you'd have to get the average drone to make it unspottable with the, ground level, Mk.1 Eyeball (assuming best visibility conditions)? As much fun as it might be to sperg out over laser-guided-mass-produced-kamikaze-drone-swarms they're going to be a lot more practical and useful as eyes in the sky.

(((Maduro))) survived a drone assassination attempt

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Strapping Dogs to drones is probably the best idea you ever had op

YEP

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No you would be boomhauer

The Russians demonstrated that the older Tunguska couldn't track a quadcotper carrying a go pro (best they could do was to override system and use the optical channel and try to hit it on manual), but the newer pantsir (S2 IIRC) had no problem tracking and hitting even really small targets.

Something like patriot doesn't see small drones, it's clearly not meant to. C-RAM probably do and would work way better than against shells.

Even if you see it with what are you gonna shoot it?

If your opponents spot the drone it will be reported, and with civilian grade gear they know that the operator isn't too far away. They also know that their opponents want to watch them, possibly for an ambush or to direct some kind of long range fire. Generally speaking the less the enemy knows the better.

You can get 40km of range with a $70 radio link such as the TBS crossfire micro.

Sure, I'm sure battalion intelligence will be very happy with you… but in the meantime you're taking accurate mortar fire.

Isn't something with that kind of range going to show up like a spotlight on milspec RDF?

Why give the enemy any information you can prevent him from having? Even if it's only a few seconds to scatter and get to cover before the first shell hits?

Ukrops do that and generally speaking when the shells fall the Russians tend to be laughing elsewhere, whereas with the Russians, they put three to six grenades on them and drop it on the Ukrops.

Which one the sliverback?

It's not just how high, you also have horizontal distance. And assuming the drone is being used as a spotter, seeing it isn't really that important unless you can down it. Past a thousand feet or so (direct distance), the odds of it being hit by infantry fire are pretty low. A drone operator can also use terrain and the sun to mask his drone. It's also important to ask what method you intend to use to spot the drone. Sure, a FOB can have a couple guys who's job it is to watch the sky, but a foot patrol is probably going to be much more occupied.

So the cost of being able to directly observe the enemy is that the enemy will know that there is someone, somewhere. That's not exactly a major giveaway, especially if you're bombarding them with mortars.
Isn't that kind of a given? I would think the second assumption made in war, other than "The enemy wants to defeat me" would be something along the lines of "The enemy will perform recon on me".
Having effective recon is paramount to successful action.

Because having information to work with is incredibly important, especially from an insurgent standpoint.
Are you seriously saying that blind fire is better than corrected fire, just because there is the possibility that the enemy might be aware of the first (almost certainly inaccurate) shots before they land?

I haven't seen any of that footage, are these Russians in fortified or urban areas?

Isn't the Predator a drone the size of a Corolla? What's stopping the current armed forces using drones too?

No. I'm saying that it's worth putting a little more work and thought into the drone, optics, and doctrine to improve its functionality and effect.