US under Trump takes step towards recognizing Taiwan as a country Recent trends suggest a change in Taiwan's official status may be on the horizon By Duncan DeAeth, Taiwan News, Staff Writer 2019/06/08 13:52 […] […] archive.is/Tm7Uo taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3719797
I didn't see a thread specific to our Taiwan or the tension in the Taiwan strait. It's for sure an interesting turn of events especially within geopolitical and power balance contexts.
It's an american satellite state like worst korea.
Charles Barnes
According to the chans, Taiwanese were influenced by the Japs to such a degree that they are better than mainlanders. I have no way to verify that, but this is a common opinion among the nameless masses.
Camden Phillips
Is the F-CK-1 any good as far as current time fighter aircraft go?
Eh, that's a fairly decent deal isn't it? Although that's basically just borderline obsolete shit that burgers just happened to have lying around collecting dust in some warehouses.
William Perry
Depends on what kind of chans you are taking that of, but I think you are right to some degree. I mean, Taiwan (or Republic of China) was made independent by the nationalist Chiang Kai-shek, so they can't be worse than the chicoms, could they?
Connor Cruz
Something is afoot
Aaron Collins
Or slowly degrading in some gigantic motorpool/machine graveyard out in the middle of the Mojave desert
Ryder Cook
Considering the PLA arsenal everything they brought is fine, and they didn't buy F-35s or other useless moneysinks. Although I'm not a fan of the M1.
Again, I just don't know, but they are supposed to be weebs whose local branch of McDonald's dresses up its cashiers like pic related.
IIRC only a small minority of the population is descending from the mainland post-1945. The others were largely raised as non-Japanese Japanese pretty much the same as Okinawa (by the start of WWII Taiwan had almost the same status as the "home" islands).
Except it will guarantee Chinese invasion. There is a reason why no one recognize Taiwan as a country anymore (since the 70's) and that's from when China was weak as fuck…
Nathaniel Clark
It's essentially a smaller F-16 but with twin engines. Lower thrust and max speed in exchange for longer range. It was more or less meant as a stop-gap since China got pissy we wanted to sell F-16s or F-20s to Taiwan (which doesn't really matter since Taiwan now has F-16As being converted into F-16Vs).
Oliver Ward
Get fucked China.
Except they don't act like mainland gooks and tend to actually have brains. They're nice to do business with.
Charles Flores
Unlikely. Invading an island nation is extremely difficult and the mainland will see at least 5:1 losses. The PLA is in a bad, bad state and anyone could see troop movements and them gearing up for invasion, which gives Taiwan plenty of time to prepare defences in their much smaller and more manageable home territory. They could blockade them, but then America can just roll in with a carrier and strong arm them to stop within a day. With the current state of things, that's extremely likely just as a show of US dominance and nothing else. Because that kike Kissinger sucked their cocks and made US, and by extension the rest of the world accept the mainland's point of view.
Jaxson Ramirez
All they have to do is what they did in 1995, declare all the surrounding waters military training area for live fire exercise (that guarantee all civilian traffic will stop) and watch as the islander die as their economy (which is largely exports), but also their food and fuel supplies (which are nearly 100% imports… you think the food autonomy of China is bad, what do you think Taiwan's is? Hell they import drinking water!).
Last time they did that it took two CSG to show up for them to stop, because China at the time had no ships (almost literally they had 3 working subs, 2 destroyer and a couple of frigates) and literally no planes (old as fuck ones anyway), just loads of short range ballistic missiles.
They stopped and they immediately put an order for as much air defenses, Coastal AShM, Sukhois, Improved Kilos and Sovremenny the Russians could sell them. Today they have the shitload of missiles and the fleet of planes, subs and destroyers they bought in the late 90's early 2000, to counter an US strike force of that size. Plus everything they've built since, which is about a good third of the USN…
If China want to take Taiwan they absolutely can. If the US want to defend Taiwan they will have to actually commit to an actual effort.
Adrian Jackson
China invading Taiwan would be an US deep state wet dream, because it would mean they can beat up China without having to officially go to war with them.
Ethan Gray
they are not foolish enough to invade are they? it would really hurt their economy.
Liam Hill
yes. the world's media would be appalled at china's actions. the coalition would probably hit coastal economic targets and other infrastructure with expensive precision weaponry. i think china's military wouldn't be impacted much at all.
Ryan Myers
At this point you can't ignore that the US had a direct hand in the fucking of the world.
Wyatt White
Except for the tiny little detail that they can't beat China. Japan couldn't in the 30's, the US couldn't in the 50's, they couldn't in the 70's, they certainly can't now. FFS they couldn't even beat Assad. And the complete impotence of the last US&cie mass strike on the SAA clearly showed which side has the tech edge.
How? We're gonna start to buy local from all those factories that are close and whose tooling has been shipped to China? China need the money we print, we need the shit they make. If you think the printing press gives you power when SHTF, well, you're wrong.
Medias are nice tool when you keep thing civil. Medias have been outraged by Syria for 10 years and look at what is happening.
Can't be more fucking clear, the chinks knows perfectly the US SYSTEMATICALLY bend the rules they pretend to follow when it's in their own interests and only understand violence.
And the chinks have NEVER been shy to use violence against the US in the area and it has ALWAYS paid off.
Mason James
So yeah anyone that think the chinks won't react violently to the US doing that sort of shit is a moron that not only has no fucking clue of the post WWII far east history (and the constant US interventions… and constant failures that led to the US influence being booted off the sub-continent) but also can't even be bothered use google and wiki for an hour to look up the important political opinions on the matters.
Joseph Gomez
One-China principle was always gay. I don't even fully understand why that was ever agreed to. Taiwan was our then ally and now we dont formally acknowledge their existence. Weird.
At the same time Taiwan is now a gay puppet state of the U.S. despite 70 percent voting against sodomy. I want off this ride.
Ethan Lewis
Chinks will just have to for another decade until they run/own half the western countries.
As it stands, I am not sure China can afford to wage war now, with their economy being the way it is. It will be quite interesting to see how chinese communist party will go around fixing the economical ratfuck that they themselves have helped create.
Nolan James
TAIWAN NUMBER 1
Easton Robinson
It was agreed upon because as long as Taiwan recognize it is part of China, mainland China stopped actively trying to reunite them.
People tend to like not getting shelled daily.
Dominic Scott
Poland is your supposed ally yet cheeto retard signs a bill allowing jews to extort it for 60% of its GDP It's impossible to deal with USA because you can't name the jew and without that USA seems like it's always being led by a fucking schizo who flipflops his opinions every day.
Christopher Adams
in burger school they taught us that Dulles threatening to nuke the chinks prevented that. guess not
This Clownworld is just as gaslighting to burgers if not more than for yuros. it is truly surreal to see the larping change direction and the cognitive dissonance on display incessantly.
Actually extort any country and S447 Violates over 2000 years old legal procedure regarding heirless property. Imagine if it was someone else than jews
Ian Green
Rolling for subhuman amerimutts attacking Iran and China and get fucked into extinction, so the world can reject (((democracy))) again, this time for at least 10000 years.
I want to support Taiwan but I don't want to support the US.
What do?
Sebastian Price
Japanese influence, while real (pic related), is less important than the fact that the Nationalists managed to preserve some authentic Chinese culture and provided a safe haven in Taiwan for the upper class Chinese that managed to not get butchered by commies. Every Taiwanese I've met has been polite and intelligent.
China imports food, they're going to beat themself.
Leo Sanchez
The Japanese were restricted by resources during the war and were progressively getting drained, Italy and Japan were useless allies. America isn't allowed to fight at full capacity because of the parentheses people and were there in Korea to be "fair and democratic", sending entire waves of soldiers into a zergrush without weapons isn't very thoughtful let alone the whole tactic being malicious. Tricky Dick selling out the country's manufacturing to them isn't a war. Also losing to fucking Vietnam, a country that got out of a 20-year civil war, is the opposite of military might. The US could even with its gross incompetence, huffing its own propaganda, and bullshit human rights guidance. Chinese soldiers didn't get body armor and modern underwear until recently, and their rations were so terrible troops got food from the outside of training instead of eating what they were provided. All the Chinese military (and most militaries of backward countries) are good at are bullying civilians and dissident ethnic groups. We'll still lose to China though thanks to all of the cumulative decisions that led us to where we are today however. Same as above but if they directly invaded they could've.
Xavier Jenkins
I don't think the US have ever invaded and attacked China in the 50s and 70s.
Then again, the 70s Chink army suck dick ass and got beaten by the much worse supplied NVA.
Carson Adams
Well, I'm pretty sure that China has more people than Taiwan has boolets. They can just jam all of their ships that sell cheap shit to America in the Taiwan straight and they have a pontoon bridge. Quantity has a quality of its own.
Cameron Cook
They can just shell the bridge.
Let the chinks swim.
I think this is similar to the germans trying to invade Britain.
Ayden Russell
The last time the US invaded China it was with a coalition of European empires and a thorough beating to the Qing.
Sometimes I think of coordinating all the surrounding countries with grievances with the chinkies and supporting them in their irredentism/beef e.g. unified nazbol korea, Japan, Tibet, India, Mongolia, Steppe countries, East turkestan, Nepal, burma, Bhutan, Vietnam to just make so many fronts as to overwhelm bugman infrastructure and positively kill their gay bugman industry and tech spying gayness that seeks to make every man a serf.
Isn't that pretty much everyone on the planet at this point? Or are you limiting it to countries where the government has actually said it at some point?
Not really, they've concentrated their population into the manufacturing cities so much that if you get more than a hundred miles out into the countryside you can go a few days without seeing any sign of human occupation other than the road and the occasional power line. It's one of the reasons they have such shit tier food independence, they abandoned agriculture to focus on assembly line factory work. Planned economies, so efficient :^).
Levi Sullivan
Just drop a nuclear bunker buster on the three gorges dam. That would quite literally ruin their entire ability to govern or fight anything.
John Lee
We can always dambusters the shit out of the three gorges dam through either using nuclear bunker busters like or nuclear bouncing bombs. It's just a pity that nuclear bunker busters haven't been properly researched in the last 30 or so years. The only truly great British invention of the war was everthing Sir Wallis made, and he was a great man. Also Nigger should have been awarded an OBE.
Can't wait till someone do this then somebody make a comparison to the screen where ents destroy the dam in the Two Towers.
Jayden Hernandez
What would happen to the US economy if some madman were to somehow smuggle a working Tsar Bomba into China without getting caught by either glowniggers or bugmen, then detonate the bomb in the middle of Shenzen?
Parker Rivera
It'd implode, probably.
Joseph Jones
at this point that would be an improvement.
Juan Young
china would descend into civil war very quickly if they were involved in any escalation, this whole taiwan thing is just shadow boxing. the state of censorship in china makes their population very susceptible to enemy propaganda. chinas only option is the long con.
Dominic Campbell
Jap settlers got deported after WW2
Caleb Ward
No, it's not. China is one of the most stable countries in the world. Don't believe me? Look in the recent history. It fucking massacred thousands of demonstrating students, executed many of the survivors later on, cracked down on freedom of speech and generally made things even more repressive than before… and the chink bugmen just rolled over and accepted it. Hell, just a week ago, a chinese miniter actually acknowledged that Tiananmen square happened… with "see? It worked. It was perfectly justified. Look at how stable and calm the country has been ever since. 10/10, would repeat, a great decision."
AND HE'S FUCKING RIGHT – where any other country would have risen up at something like this, at a time when regimes fell for much, much less, the chink simply accepted it and became even more of a good goy to the government. Tiananmen square might be bad international PR for China, but it's also a symbol of total triumph the chink government achieved over any dissenters. You think Chinks are dissatisfied because the MSM tells you they are, because YOU would be dissatisfied, and because the odd straggler that makes it past Chink firewall posts Winnie the Pooh memes, but the reality is that the number of the dissatisfied is a laughably small fraction of Chinese population, since the chinks are insectoid conformists that will obey the government all the way until someone with a bigger boomstick comes to their town and declares himself the new Kung-Pao, at which point they will conform to him instead.
How can the Chinese be happy if they don't have trannies, globohomo and interracial pornography? USA needs to invade them and liberate them along with Iran, ASAP.
Jayden Robinson
Do you even hear yourself? All chinks considers that EVERY place that once paid tribute to China is part of the Chinese empire and openly act like it. If the burgers comes and meddle with a piece of actual China historical land that is populated almost entirely by Chinese and whose local government has always maintained it is indeed the same country and that the quarrel is strictly political, you think that the population is gonna turn against the PCC? What drugs are you on? The chink population will clamor for the PCC to take action, not the other way around. Already the hardliners are calling for the "local governors" arrogance to be stomped (largely because the "reasonable" solution would be their integration in the "two systems, one country" like Macao and Honk Kong which is what China has pushed for, those last 20 years. It's not like China is actually communist anymore… they're so much closer to the original KMT that it's all sorts of ridiculous). You think that China will be seen as an aggressor, when it's so clearly the US that upset the status quo and is openly seeking to weaken China??? The entirety of modern china political history is based on being unjustly exploited and pillaged by foreign powers those last 2 centuries. All everyone from old timers in their 80's to kids today has learned in school (if not directly experienced it) is about how the UK, the French, the Nip and then the US have worked very hard to prevent China to unite it's rightful clay.
Yes, but Taiwanese themselves were deemed non-japanese japanese ("emperor subjects", like other non-ethnically Japanese that are "Japanese enough", the Ainu, the Ryuku, etc…).
Something that is largely taboo is that the Taiwanese revolted AGAINST the KMT shortly after the US forced the island to be handed hand off.
Luke Nelson
Wait, who are you actually reffering to with that? Prior to colonization, Taiwan was inhabited by tribal chinks, then got colonized by the dutch… who started importing more chinks, then got taken over by the Qing, who shipped even more chinks there, then got taken by Nips, who sent around 300k colonists there (compared to around 3 million chinks already there) only for the majority of them to be booted out back to Japan after the end of WW2, after which it was managed by Nat. China, which, once again, shipped even more chinks in. Who the hell do you mean by "taiwanese" (in an ethnic sense) when it's all just mainland chinks?
Nicholas Wright
There was actually no massacre, it was just made-up CIA propaganda.
"Taiwanese" refers as the people living there when Japan took over in 189X. "Mainlander" refers to people that came when the KMT took over (and especially after their defeat and retreat). It's their own classification. Japan took the tribals (that aren't Chinese, they're Polynesians) as spec ops, the Chinese as interprets in Manchuko, they had representatives in both chambers of the Japanese Diet, etc… There was discrimination (I mean it's Japan we're talking about), but it basically immediately ceased the minute they entered any position in the Imperial administration and the island greatly prospered under japanese rule, and unlike in Korea, the administrators were a bit less retarded in their policies which allowed them to quickly suppress the initial revolts and had a relatively stable situation after which led to an acceptance by the population of the integration and even the "japonification" of the island when the war with China restarted for real in 1937. Taiwanese took Japanese names, customs, converted to imperial shinto, volunteer for the army, etc… en masse. It's all those people that revolted in 1947 (and were put down as "communists" by the KMT when they clearly weren't).
While we like to paint a rosy picture but, unlike in Korea, the KMT basically invaded the island as foreigners, the KMT leadership looted and stole every property under the guise of "nationalization" (even those not Japanese owned, which was most of them) and treated the local population as "race traitors" and about 10 times worse than what the Japanese (that weren't choir boys) ever had.
And they resorted to martial law to keep people in line up the 1980's and basically lifted it only once everyone that still remember the good old day of the Empire at peace (pre-1937) were dead…
To be precise there was no massacre on the square, western journalist themselves in the area admitted they never saw anything, it's bullshit that the NYT made up shit, spreading fake news as usual. There was hundreds of deaths among the rioters (that were mostly poor workers, not the students that were the kids of the red nobility…) elsewhere in Beijing. Which the CPC never denied (with an official count of 300-something dead and thousands of injured and arrests).
Robert Brown
Here's an interesting quote I found from the March 14, 1946 headline of The Washington Daily News regarding the February 28 massacre: "Formosans greeted the few visiting Americans with: 'You were kind to the Japanese, you dropped the atom on them. You dropped the Chinese on us!'"
The February 28 incident or the February 28 massacre, also known as the 228 incident, was an anti-government uprising in Taiwan that was violently suppressed by the Kuomintang-led Republic of China government, which killed thousands of civilians beginning on February 28, 1947. The number of Taiwanese deaths from the incident and massacre was estimated to be between 5,000 and 28,000. The massacre marked the beginning of the White Terror in which tens of thousands of other Taiwanese went missing, died or were imprisoned. The incident is one of the most important events in Taiwan's modern history and was a critical impetus for the Taiwan independence movement.
They still believe that the Nankin Rape was a bad a thing so they are still not redeemable.
Still I have some hope for China.
Samuel Gutierrez
You mean except for the part where they annexed half of it before they got nuked twice by Westerners?
Christopher Morales
Whatever it was it was irrelevant. Liberalism and humanism are just means for White Genocide, they can't have any effect on a non-White environment, especially deeply legalist ones like China.
It's a very decent attempt to build a native fighter considering their numerical, economic and industrial inferiority compared to the mainland. Despite shamelessly reverse-engineering unconditionally offered Soviet technology for decades the PRC did not manage to produce anything better or even up to comparable performance up to the point Israel sold them the Lavi blueprints so that Mikoyan would build a hybrid of it and the MiG MFI for them in the early 00s.
Why did Japanese rape nanking but paid koreans to prostitute themselves to the IJA? I'm betting it's the same reason Germans were shipping jews to concentration camps just to kill them there instead of just killing them in a park/forest or even on the trains themselves.
You're are correct; the original tribals were more polynesian than chink. Even so, they are like 2% of the current population, therefore less important than, say, fags (Taiwan was actually the most progressive in the region and legalised same-sex marriage first).
and proceeded to start the white terror, yeah
All in all, I don't see how this makes Taiwan somehow less chink than mainland chinks.
Robert Perry
Can we stop with the shilling in every fucking thread. This shit just derails conversations and prevents actual discussion. MODSS PLEASE REMOVE
It doesn't ethnically, but behavior-wise they're closer to japanese than chinks. Historical events does have impact over people general behavior. It's what defines culture.
Chinks are all liars and cheats, I can find you as much accounts of modern expats saying it as you have 17th century explorers and missionaries saying it (and no it's not racism, I've read one recently, they speak of the Tibetans (zealous foreign religio,) and even mongols (pagans) with respect as people of "good nature" and whatnot in the same accounts, when description of the average Chinese is always scummy). If they can stuff you, they will because it's literally normal for them. Japanese on the other hand tend to be largely trustworthy and Taiwanese too (to a point obviously). Amusingly enough Koreans behave far more like Chinese than they would like you to believe…
Ryder Cox
you're not really stable if you gotta run around shooting people all the time
William Brown
Vietnam is stable.
China is NOT stable.
There is a lot of dissidents in China, but they are either in outward provinces or just kindly disappear when they rear their heads.
There's a lot of shady shit going in China that we don't know because of media censorship.
Nathan Taylor
Please?
Jace Cook
Read the ways that are dark. Red China is basically that book on steroids.
Thomas Wilson
Chinese don't circumcise their kids to harvest foreskins for anti-aging creams. That's what jews, americans and koreans do
I have and I know. When speaking to others, presenting a plurality of sources from a variety of backgrounds and time periods makes it much more difficult for them to brush away demonstrations of the essential character of the Chinese as "just the opinions of some old dead racist" or "cherry picking examples".
Jaxon Reyes
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Kayden Davis
At least the chinks don't shell people with depleted uranium before sending in nigger rape squads on the surviving populace. At least the chinks don't threten to nuke you if you say something unfavorable towards israel. Chinks > burgers as allies tbh
Blake Hall
Last I checked America didn't buy all the property with filthy party money to drive out anyone who isn't a filthy card carrying red. You understand you're hated everywhere right chang, now go compete against pajeet over who can fill a street with shit first.
Bentley Nguyen
I thought the general concensus on Zig Forums was that the US is to be hated at all costs. Therefore, chinks are preferable when you're really, really scraping the bottom of the barrel for friends or allies. The most sociopathic chink is better than a boomerburger.
Angel Harris
they're not american Fuck off Chang, I don't swallow everything the West tells me about China, nor the far-right here, but you aren't exactly the purveyors of freedom and liberty.
Tonghua Incident
It's a "You lynch the negroes" argument given the actions of the IJA, but personally the chinks are no better than the supposed IJA brutality, and it's in there blood.
Nathaniel Campbell
say what you will about the jews but that was a cool plane
Jaxson Harris
So this thread is muh american bad, so much chinks good?
Why is this such a argument nowadays?
Ryder Mitchell
Both mutts and commies are the miscreation of European failure in our history. Please dont tell us to drink piss or eat shit.
Kayden Turner
Well, you tend to know which package you can expect from a chinky thief, while a mutt is a roided up schizo golem of the kikes who would kill itself for Schlomo… It depends on what you want to do tbh :^)
Alexander Jenkins
Actually their laws also dictate that the criminal will have to provide for the man and his fsmily for the rest of his life if he was disabled from the incident. So you can expect the bugman to think about him and his family first, while a mutt would do anything to please (((massa))).
Mason Perez
Enjoy paying tribute then and enjoy getting literally nothing in return, its how they operated with their friends since forever.
>nothing vs shitskin rape gangs, (((modern art))) ,general degeneracy and never ending race mixing (((liberalism))) Hmmmmmmmmmhh Not to mention chinks let their "vassals" countries that paid the toll and can kill any of their invading hordes complete autonomy. So 10-20% of my GDP for everlasting armed ethnostate? Sign me the fuck up. Better than a disarmed slow rot under mutts and vatniks.
I don't get the liberal crying point of muh depleted uranium. Its no longer radioactive so its only got the heavy metal poisoning factor you get with lead, tungsten, tool steel, or literally any other projectile used in war. A lot of them cry that it was responsible for sandnigger birth defects but I'm pretty sure those were just caused by inbreeding and they chose to blame it on whatever else for free gibs.
wew
Easton Miller
Except that I'm not talking about being inside their historical borders, you dumb fucking mong. I'm saying that paying some desert ants for a peace of mind is better for your racial integrity and liberty than being friends with "huwhite brothers of huwhite nationalism", who saved communism from a death blow. History has shown this. In fact those countries neighblring China only paid a pitiful amount of some symbolic shit when they SEND an ambassador to China, and the chinls do send gift back too, from time to time. Even the gooks were well treated in this regard, but they love chinks anyway. Pure business, and a hilariously small price for ethnostates with muh guns. Better than mixin' up with niggers and faggots and lose guns anyway.
So gifts like massive land invasions like what happened to Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia… Pretty sure no one wants China as a neighbor seeing they treat everything like their trade deals where its just a game to see how much you can rip off your customer and cut and run when they realized they bought a shipping container of rusty scrap metal instead of the specified structural steel. If you are even a Kraut you could also stop blaming the failure of your multi front war on everyone but yourself when you were the ones who declared war on America after pearl harbor because you thought it would get the Japs to go back to war with Russia because you already screwed up by invading all of western Europe first instead of waiting for the soviets to make the first move and then become one of the "good guys."
Evan Wilson
China > USA as far as global politics go, tbh. Chinks try to control your economy. US tries to get globohomo jews to control your economy AND wants to destroy your race and culture. China is clearly the lesser of two evils.
Hunter Baker
It's easy for you to say when your people have never had to deal with the Chinese for the last two millennia. Just because the American Empire that had been so troubling for the existence of all of Europe and much of Asia is slowly disintegrating, it doesn't mean that you ought to choose the side of subjugation to the Chinese, based solely on "At least they don't force us to take migrants and be Globo-Homo *at this moment*".
I weep for the German man if that is his conclusion because the only people to ever collapse and actively accept subjugation to the Chinese were the Koreans. I had thought the German was a prouder race but perhaps I'm mistaken. Enjoy having towns and suburbs taken over by Chinks, your farms sold off to prospecting Chinese investors, your ports and transport hubs run by the sons of comittee heads, Chinatowns in every major city, and eventually being repo'd by the People's Bank of China when you default on your debt. Just look at Australia and Canada; it's a travesty. It's one thing to go against U.S. hegemony, but it's also another thing to be Pro China and Chicom.
Replace chinese with niggers and you get life under US hegemony. Besides, if you think China would somehow estabilish global dominance, you're delusional. Hell, if you think China can beat USA in a war, you're delusional. The idea is to weaken the US as much as possible, so that its hold on global politics will crumble and its former vassals are free to act as they wish. For that, a strong China is a great tool, as is strong Russia, and as is any US puppet that gets couped.
I get it, you live in Japan, you have a real reason to fear China, but you don't know what life is like in Europe.
Angel Russell
Still sounds like a better deal than what the US gives. Goddamn, I can't wait for the US to collapse. I'd happily sell this lousy country out in exchange for some cool chink or slav guns.
