Lessons for next time?

Don't declare war on the two most powerful nations on Earth at the same time.

They should have had strategic bombers, maybe then such abhorrent posts could be preemptively aborted.

I wonder what would happen if the germans had really finished the british army in Dunkirk, would that sheer loss force the brits back to the bargaining table?

Well, with the brits surrending, no base for americans to fly their planes from, no Africa campaign.

The germans can consolidate on western Europe in general and go straight for Egypt and get the various oil there.

I think the brits actually hold the keys for german victory since their worldwide network is what kept Germany from getting resources and supplied.

The USSR, while strong, is only a regional power and they can only commit to one front.

This is a new level of wehraboo autism

I doubt Britain would just give up after BEF is destroyed, Britain's leadership was determined to see the war through no matter what the public thought, who would be a lot less enthusiastic for the war after such a disaster and that may fuck over Britain in the long run but it would take time for some kind coup or revolt that has a chance of success
If anything, losing the BEF might speed that up as the Anglos would look to replace their losses as quickly as possible any bring in more troops from their colonies, especially as the public becomes more unruly

You're right, they didn't declare war in '39 but actually in '33.

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Tell the Brits to eat shit and kill your faggot president.
FDR was a fucking cunt.

Jesus Christ, I can't wait until your entire genetic existence is erased from the face of the earth, anglonigger. I would sacrifice 20% of the remaining European (including burgermutts) populace to the devil's fire if it meant the permanent erasure of the eternal britcuck. Your kind literally deserve no form of quarter or mercy.

The Luftwaffe didn't have the airpower to do that especially when half needed to be dedicated to Barbarossa. He should have gone for the military installations, Britain was already desperate and only got away with a victory by effectively funneling the entire RAF against every attack using their advanced radar. The bombing of major cities was a wasteful reprisal in reponse to British efforts doing the same in Germany.

Stop kidding yourself.

Battle of britain, Hitler has already exhausted what existed of his navy fighting against denmark/norway? and cannot openly contend with the navy

Wanna play it in multiplayer?

Yes. At some point definitely. Had some fun games in the past playing modern times games in Africa and dominating as Ghadaffi. I'd have to clear my schedule though but perhaps a thread should be made soon to get people on board with it. I'd be cool playing Germany, Japan, Italy, Britain (I would go fascist of course).

No, that's pure nonsense. Germany absolutely would not invest itself to fight the chinks. It would have nothing to gain from doing that and it wouldn't be a popular move, given the already war exhausted public. At most, Hitler would send some material aid. Also, "land connection through russia"? That was never even a possibility. Soviets would never accept a peace that'd result in their complete annexation, and even if they did, Siberian infrastructure would easily be destroyed through partisans, and render any possibility of Germany transferring troops there moot.

The northern road became impossible the moment Japan invested in China. As I mentioned above. They only reason Japan even contemplated it was the massive underestimation of Soviet military forces (common at the time) and had they actually decided to attack USSR without Germany attacking it first (prior to 1939 when northern road was officially abandoned), they'd get curbstomped. By the time Hitler actually attacked USSR, northern road was dead and buried.

I hope both of you choke, playing that ahistorical piece of shit. If you want a proper game in the period (that is both historical AND massively better than piece of shit 4), play Darkest Hour

I think the biggest lessons for next time (after we end up nuking ourselves hopefully) is to never accept deals from jews, kill or refuse and jews coming into your land, kicking out any existing jews, and never giving women any form of political or social control outside from taking care of your home and children.

Rude. And what if I play it for the alternative history mods? You are right though, HoI3 is much more accurate and much more harder.

Just don't think that you can achieve your dreams in one go, instead try to play the long game over generations. E.g. Germans could have choose to do nothing during the phoney war (other than forifying the borders) and wait until the public in France and Britain get bored of it and elect some commies who promise free gibs. The other possibiliy is that the Anglo-French alliance decides to attack Norway and Sweden, and then I'm sure that both of them would side with the Germans, along with Denmark. That could be the starting point of a propaganda war that could lead to the Benelux states siding with them too, so that they can avoid getting attacked by the democrators. And it would be a lot harder to sell this conflict to the burgers as the ebul gnadzees conquering Yurop (not impossible, mind you, just harder). Meanwhile Stalin would be waiting for those imberialisds to start killing each other properly, and so the soviets would keep building shitty tanks to attack once the conflict is over. I think this would stabilize Europe in a Cold War due to the unwillingness of either side to risk a proper conflict and the axis could gain the upper hand as they have the time to properly militarize their societies and economies.

Now, today in a similar conflict you'd just have to wair until the average demizen of da free wurld is either a moslem nigger or a homosexual mulatto, and just watch their world crumble as they simply don't have a population that can maintain a modern country with a strong army.

Then you still have shit taste. The game itself is complete garbage. Play Darkest Hour.

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There used to be Anti-comintern, 防共協定

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Nigger, you don't even make sense. Manchuko is literally right next to Russia.

All the jap army needs to do is consolidating in Manchuko and retreating from Shanghai.

It's like I'm talking to a fucking wall. Do you not understand the concept of opening a new front? Do you not comprehend that in order to fight, you need both soldiers and supplies? When did I ever imply Manchukuo wasn't next to Russia?

fun ist verbotten
t. kolonel snitzelwurst

There is nothing to stop Japan retreating from China, issue a ceasefire with Chiang and strike the USSR.

This. Pearl Harbour and the the Ultimatum to Metaxas were mistakes.

Don't pick fights with every industrial powerhouse in the world.

WAR TO DEATH AGAINST ALL GERMAN PEOPLE!!!

All Japan needs to do is to fight and get the attention of Soviet force.

They can lose, but that's exactly beneficial to the German's war effort.

A two-pincer movement can go back and forth, back and forth.

Northern road was always impossible.
The parts of Siberia that actually have easily accessible natural resources are largely half a world away from Japan.
Sure there are some in southern Yakutia that Japan may have been to secure and hold but most of the Siberian wealth are the eastern uralic plains that is both at a considerable distance from China, much closer to western Russia and, even then, properly populated by Russians.
It would have been simpler to commit to invade Australia early on.

Also Khalkhyn Gol battles proved that the Kwantung Army had a dreadful understanding of maneuver warfare and gear so bad even Russians third rater with post WWI tankettes and really shitty gear, could crush them without effort. And it showed when the brand new Chi-Ha were somewhat worse than BT-7 (at least the BT-7 was stupid fast) in 1939, ended up encountering IS-3 in 1945…

Japanese armies were still largely a WWI army, that moved on foot and used a lot of horses while the soviet army, while barely drilled and being led by the most incompetent officer corps in the history of mankind, was an almost entirely motorized army.
Which in the immense plains of Siberia, is not to be dismissed.

And Japan needs to do is to lose and get the attention of the Eastern Soviet army.

Any force they tie up is a force that will not be used on the germans.

Love it, the US was literally offering the japs free oil and fuel if they stopped attacking everyone, and the japs' response was to start attacking more people. Hapa rage on an international scale.

Pearl Harbor was due to the American blocking Japan though.

Fucking sanctions.

>Standardize fucking everything. Standardize ammunition and guns across branches wherever possible, stop developing entirely new guns when sticking the old guns on a new mount would work just as well, and just fucking shoot the guy who thought using two 105mm turrets with different traverse rates on the same ship was a good idea.

This is all for Germany, mind you. Japan had their own problems and Italy was doomed from the start.

It would be nice to join in confederated Red maple leaf, Brit, Straya, Kiwi, Yank and Afrikaner nation.

Honestly The thing that lost Hitler the war was Finland being way to fucking good during the Winter War
Finland crushing the soviets gave the idea to Hitler that the Soviets were weak as fuck and he could fuck them up, had Finland remained more of a stalemate in that war then Hitler would of swept the west without caring about USSR

Honestly I bet had Hitler considered this, he might of been able to get Australia or at least South Australia on his side since Australia was a bit pissy at Britain just before the war, and South Australia was basically a german speaking state at that point Its only post war when German became shunned that they stopped, same with Minnesoda in the US

I didnt even need to look at the flag to know its some americunt (hiding behind a proxy is even more pathetic)

What is the serb problem with Hitler anyhow?

When you have a large part of the entirety of the enemy's army surrounded, don't let them evacuate. Kill them, take them prisoner, it doesn't matter. Just don't let them return.

A junkie who employed blacks, muslims and arabs in his quest to genocide white europeans, claimed multiple times that Christianity is a disease and that Europe would be a better place if Franks lost the Battle of Tours and arabs islamized everyone. His post-war plan for Europe was even more insane, they planned to build huge dams in Med to drain all the water and merge Europe and Africa into a "supercontinent" so they could have both the natural resources and cheap labour and lets not forget that European Union is basicly copypasted idea of Hitlers "economic plan" for post-war Europe aswell.

Balkan conflict was bad mojo for everyone involved. There will have to be a Herculean effort to make amends.

You forget that after the humiliating defeats in Mongolia the Jap army was barely even the second arm of their military. After the IJN got clearance for its 'Southern path' expansion policy none of the politicians or senior military officers in government would listen to a plan that didn't involve aircraft carriers and cruisers.
As Germany wasn't able to stop them attacking Pearl Harbour and bringing the burgers into the war I doubt it. Italy may have been Hitler's bitch, but Japan looks like it was barely even allied with the Germans.

An Anglosphere(+Afrikaner) alliance would still be god-tier. Shame that it's only in the people's interest.

Blame Goering, and Hitler for listening to him.

But like muh Deep Battle 'n sheeeit

Proof?

This is the entire problem here.

The thing is, with future foreknowledge, we know that even if the Imperial Army is weak, it can still divert forces from the Soviet Union or even bait them to do useless actions so that germans can make their gains.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

Reading that seriously, not a bad deal to be honest.

And no, Hitler didn't mean for the germans to mix with africans simply because he wants their resources.

Dam projects sacrifice nature for $$$, look at China and you will see the effect it has on enviroment, he didnt plan for germans to mix with africans he planned for africans/arabs to replace all other non-germans as cheap labour.

The thing with China is that their low technology and lack of morality is what destroying their nature.

I think a Reich dam that is properly maintained and check for environmental regulation would be different, especially the benefits it brings, both in energy AND resources.

Didn't read this in the article.

they didnt care about enviroment its simple as that, they only cared about the future profits

wikipedia for some reason doesnt mention this but nazis planned to replace native europeans with africans/arabs, basicly for the same reasons European Union is importing so many of them today, cheap labour.

No idea where this meme of nazis wanting good for the Europe came from when they only wanted to plunder Europe and fuck over everyone else.

Wouldn't securing the mediterranean and its coasts have alleviated that to an extent?
How badly would an Axis-controlled Suez canal have hampered the British far east fleet?
Then use those aircraft carriers and cruisers to conduct amphibious landings at Kamchatka or Vladivostok.

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It seems you are raised on learning some pretty awful nazi propaganda because the National Socialist german care very much about their environment, unlike the US or the USSR.

fuck off stormfag

having few laws about the enviroment doesnt mean they actually give a shit, its like saying AOC cares about the enviroment because she wanted to push her Green new deal

Like Germany having basically the best environment to live in and the infrastructure to support it (autobahn).

When Hitler says he cares, he actually cares. Not dumb shit about cow fart.

I don't think Japan had the ability to keep that up for long enough to be worth it. They were an out of date, embarrassment, of an army that just didn't have the capabilities needed. If you went back to say 1920 and were given the power of the Japanese Emperor then maybe you could unfuck them, but that's getting retarded even for a hindsight thread.

Massively. Colossally. That's probably a won war in one move. The problem was, as already explained, neither the German nor Italian navy (not even both of them combined under a single competent command structure) had the ability to deliver on that. If you want to expand your premise to delivering modern missile cruisers to the Axis then that would change things, but again that's just getting silly.

Japan was expanding for resources, the resources it would get from Vladivostok & Kamchatka wouldn't be enough to cover the resources spent in securing them. Even if the IJN Marines were the literal gods of war the Japanese army would have been the main bulk of the push west and would have been just as useless there as they had been in Mongolia, at best hampering the push badly enough to turn it into a logistical clusterfuck that would have barely warranted a single Soviet division to clear them out.

I know this is going to be a tricky sell on Zig Forums of all places, but short of giving the Axis/Japs literal magic I don't think you could alter the outcome of WW2. Maybe you could drag it out and cause even more damage to every nation involved, but I don't think you could make any substantive change to the outcome.

Which country would you advise to play with for a beginner and why?

How does it feel to be presented as worse than Hitler for trying to protect your country by the (((very same people))) you died in droves to protect from the ebul gnatzees, greatest ally?

It's hardcore post-communist denial like in Russia. Admitting that your country's and patriots' greatest sacrifice was used against you and that you fought heroically for the bad guys is a hard redpill to swallow, especially if you suffered half century of communism as a direct consequence of your "victory".

Probably Germany. You'll get fucked by USSR later on, but it's a good way to learn the game.

They could have get into this Wunderwaffe-'tism in the 30s and in a sensible way, and sink most of the Royal Navy in early 1940 with wire-guided missiles.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehl-Strasbourg_radio_control_link#Counter_Countermeasures
Mind you, I don't say that it's a foolproof method that works 100% of the time, but imagine what would have happened if they damage or sink every major Royal Navy vessel during the invasion of Norway and the Dunkirk evacuation.

What's the earliest you would go back to try to set things on track for an axis victory?

Probably towards the middle or end of WW1 and kill Lenin before the dumbass Kaiser shipped him out.
Preventing the Soviet Union from forming in the first place would help greatly.

Next time we just nuke Britain and they will surrender or die, because they are basically in the same position as Japan in WW2 and can't take a beating of this magnitude as an Island Nation.

Russia was getting industrialized with or without communism. It's more about preventing the URSS from fucking up american politics than the URSS itself.

Atlantropa was the Project of Herman Sörgel. The highest office Herman Sörgel managed to reach in his live was being an Official Master builder for the Bavarian State.
He was never part of the government of the unified Reich under Hitler nor any of its institutions and he never got any support for his idea from the Nazi Party, their government or their institutions.
How in the fucking world does your fucking Untermenschen Propaganda turn this into Hitlers dream project for Post WW2 Europe?

Probably the fact that you can't get today's "news" straight which implies events from 80 years ago are even more of a blur and (((fiction))).

In my defence a nuke powered capital ship loaded to the gills with Exocets and SM2s guided by top of the line modern Radar would effectively be magic for the average engineer of the 1930's. and of course Germany had some interesting prototypes and concept pieces, but if they were close to entering full production/deployment then why wouldn't the program suffer the same treatment as the Uranprojekt?

Probably before WWI, and the changes you'd make would radically alter the course of that war (or even whether or not it ever happened), and once you do that the situation and events that lead to WWII probably don't happen either (consider that Hitler's rise to power was almost entirely dependent on the economic shitshow of the Weimer administration, which wouldn't happen the same way). It's why hindsight threads like this usually devolve into ridiculous fanwank sessions pretty quickly.

But if your prevent the USSR from forming in the first place, then you wouldn't have the USSR fuckingg around your politics in the first place.
Industrialized Imperial Russia > USSR

The proper course of action is to meet Marx and relentlessly mock and bully him while laughing at how buttblasted he gets whenever you make fun of his ideology.

Not just ww2. Serbroach basically ignited the ww1 shitstprm.
They are like baste poles.

Another reason I felt no guilt shen our soylent Greens ordered the corpse of our air power to bomb these cockroaches to oblivion. The croats have always been better partners.

What works for a group of farmers in the jungle doesn’t work for an entire army. How do you deal with supply lines and logistics if your troopers are constantly moving? How do you withdraw and retreat from an attack with almost no preparation and not lose huges amounts of equipment? How do you even arrange that sort of mobile warfare along an entire front without being easily baited into encirclements? How does the command structure work? How do you prevent the enemy from just walking past if you have no line established?

Even so Rommel got along pretty far with his undersupplied and undermanned Afrikakorps, an Axis offensive towards the Suez launched following the failed BoB with Barbarossa levels of Wehrmacht divisions and enough german high commanders to tard wrangle the Italians into shape could certainly at least have closed off the northern ends.
At that point Spain might very well feel confident in an Axis victory so as to close off the Gibraltar strait.

Anglos would then have to invest considerable resources into an invasion of Spain while their ships in the med are stuck without fuel or ports to dock in save for maybe Cyprus, Greece and Turkey assuming those haven't joined the Axis at that point.
Spain wouldn't be able to defeat the Anglo on their own but they could very well conduct gorilla warfare in the vast mountainside of the country in the likely event of an invasion.
If Iraq, Palestine and Jordan revolt against Anglo rule then Rommel could just shitpost himself over to the Atlantic coast and neuter Anglo attempts to recapture Gibraltar completely even if they capture the northern part of the Strait.

Spain wouldn't go to war against Allies over Gibraltar alone. You need to remember that Spain just got out of a devastating civil war and that Franco didn't have an overwhelming support of the people like Hitler did. Even so, he did offer joining Axis, back before Barbarossa and when it looked like allies would surrender at any moment, the conditions being not just Gibraltar, but also Morocco. Hitler had full power to give Morocco to Franco, but he didn't, instead choosing to buddy up with the defeated France (a move he really should not have done; he gained nothing and lost Spain and, consequently, Gibraltar). Really, not handing Morocco over was one of the key decisions that let to Axis defeat. Had Spain joined, it would (probably with German support) be able to quickly take over Gibraltar. With Gibraltar blocked, suppling the rest of Mediterranean with supplies and troops would be much more challenging for the Allies, most likely allowing Axis to take Suez as well.

There won't be a next time because nukes.

Rommel's work in North Africa was indeed impressive, considering the problems he was dealing with. I still think you're overestimating Spain's ability to help you out there though. Spain's industry, economy, infrastructure, and population were badly damaged by the civil war, even if Germany had promised Franco the entire African continent and a 100m tall statue of himself in Berlin they wouldn't have been able to contribute much to the war. Could Germany manage to supply arms, vehicles, aircraft, fuel, ships, food, ammunition, and other assorted supplies on a large enough scale to make Spain a credible or even just Italy tier member of the Axis powers?

The Wehrmacht did draw up plans to invade Gib, without Spanish cooperation, but it kept being held back by diplomatic problems until the units needed for it were sent east for Barbarossa. If you want to write a story where Germany becomes a Mary Sue tier character that can expect the universe itself to bend over backwards for it then don't let me stop you, just remember that it's (at best) no better than Hollywood movies claiming that the entirety of WWII lasted for the 24 hours the all American 'Sergeant America McSquarejaw' needed to paradrop into Hitlers volcano doom fortress and punch him in the face.

Go choke on some BBC, you disgusting *nglo.
Are you literally 12?

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What if Hitler and Franco staged a diplomatic falling out between them followed by a german gunboat occupation of Gibraltar, the result of which would be Spain handing Gibraltar to Germany in return for Hitler promising not to invade Spain as long as they don't join up with the allies :^).
Make the event as dramatic and MSM worthy as possible and the British will be unlikely to invade poor Spain who got mercilessly bullied by the evil Nazi mastermind Hitler after an exhausting civil war that he probably started in the first place.

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Don't get your schnitzel in a twist g*rman see I can do it too :^) surface value it's just one of the more watered down autism simulators out there. You really get so brutally assparaged by the mere mention of this game? Why?

Played Darkest Hour a bit today. On the surface, Apart from being more autistic, having different decisions take place and Major powers constantly trying and failing to steal my tech, how is it 'historical'? In fact, isn't that just the wrong term anyway because you're essentially creating an alternate history? I assume you just mean from an equipment/tech standpoint.

I suppose it was just a little variation on Operation Sea Lion anyway.
Why Greece? You go THROUGH greece because it's probably the only way by land from Germany to Iraq without going directly through Russia. You turtle to hold the oilfields/resources there. Also fuck Africa, pointless moshpit.
Sounds untrustworthy as fuck. Honestly not as well read as you on most of this stuff, but I think a lot of it depends on how far you want to go back.. If Hitler knew the british wanted war, and listened to his generals, crushed their forces at Dunkirk etc, didn't keep trying to make peace at the beginning pre-bomber harris, that could have changed much there and then. I know that Hitler never originally wanted a second war with Britain, but Churchill definitely wanted a second war with Germany.

Excellent post.

Except Goering obviously. At Dunkirk at least.

Meant to say the Spanish protectorate in Morocco.

Except that's just wrong, again.
Despite popular beliefs, the soviet never touched the far east garrison.
Even in 1942, on the brink of total collapse, they still had 1.5M men and around 3000 tanks (well mostly prewar ones, but then it's not like japan had better shit), 10k artillery piece and 3000 planes in the Transbaikal and Siberian military districts. More than enough to hold the Japanese at bay around the Baikal choke with elastic defense.
Again the Japanese could have seized Sakhalin (some oil, don't know if it was exploited back then), Vladivostock area (Gold, Tungsten), possibly pushing towards Magadan (Coal) but they couldn't have been able to go much further than the Baikal shores before encountering massed opposition.

Out of curiosity would someone like me be one of the first to die just because of my looks?
I've been mistaken for a jew several times and even a jewish fraternity tried rushing me in college. Even took a (((genetic test))) and it came up as basically just european/nordic with 2% caucasus which my family is somewhat sure is from Turkey yet I am the only one with a big nose in my family yet im also the only one who isn't a cucked faggot.

Didn't you just copy Zzeligowski's mutiny but applied it to Gibraltar?

> Even took a (((genetic test)))
You should be roped for giving DNA to a company ran by people who took research of South African ethnic cleansing bioweapon after the fall of apartheid.

yeah, I was young then and grew up in a no fun household. didn't know how deep it all went yet

Big noses aren't exclusive to Jews, if you look at old prewar german photographs there are plenty of ethnic whites with what could reasonably be deemed a low level schnoz.
What matters more is the presence of any other signs of physical jewry in addition to the nose, such as large lower lips, protruding lower eyelids, curly hair and generally mismatched facial proportions that just don't look right.