Lessons for next time?

Christian Miller
Christian Miller

Lessons for next time?
Unified command structure between nations, clear cooperation and goals.
<To make sure things like Greece don't happen.
<And have a Japan pull a pincer move.
When bombing Britain, go for all targets possible instead of just military. This counts for all bombing efforts.
<Increase the pressure on the population.
Have your logistics be clear cut and straight, no SS debauchery.
When starting the war till it's end, full war economy.

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Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

Lessons for next time?
Genocide the jew, don't just deport him.
Show zero empathy towards enemy civilians
Bombard cities down to dust, including schools and hospitals
Execute PoWs so that you don't have to feed them or waste men guarding them
Avoid urban combat. Bombard the entire city to extinction instead. Nuke the place if you must.

Joseph Allen
Joseph Allen

1. No internal dispute between command and individual generals (THIS IS THE KEY).
2. Better coordination with allies for an unified goal (EITHER USSR or China, cannot be both).
3. Avoid slowing down, speed and maneuver, speed and maneuver. Never settle down and let the enemy attack you.

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

Never settle down and let the enemy attack you
How exactly do you do that in russia?

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

And have a Japan pull a pincer move.
Stop with this meme. For Japan to actually attack USSR during or after Barbarossa, it'd need to basically sacrifice itself for Germany, which it obviously had no reason to do. Japan in 1941 was bogged down in China and running out of resources. Things were so bad that Japan pulled Pearl Harbor – not because they were so thirsty for yankee blood, but because they hoped to get enough resources from the colonies to fuel the China war. And you suggest they'd add attacking USSR to the list – an assured defeat for Japan, as it'd crumble even faster than IRL due to having another massive front that needs even more resources, which Japan just didn't have.

The only hope Japan had of actually winning WW2 was Hitler defeating USSR as quickly as possible and then brokering peace with the allies, where Japan would get to keep the colonies and engage in trade without being raped by embargoes everywhere (and hopefully get traded resources from the now at peace germany) so that it could deal with China. Any other plan would basically guarantee Japanese defeat. The possibility of a pincer attack was off the table after Japan fully commited to China, and it did so before Hitler or Germany were in any way relevant to Japanese interests (hell, if anything, Germany seemed to be an enemy given how long they supported Chinks), ergo the possibility of "coordination" between the two at that time is pure fanfiction territory.

Jaxson Sanders
Jaxson Sanders

Constantly moving.

When the enemy attacks, retreats. When the enemy stands till, attack.

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

Well, either Japan sacrifices itself so that Germany can win, and thus Japan can have a chance of winning.

Or they don't and they lose immediately after Germany loses.

The only way Japan can stand against China is to have a land connection between Germany and Japan through Russia.

Blake Ward
Blake Ward

Or just shoot the fucking ambassador who refused Chiang Kai-Shek's offer to recognize Manchukuo/Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere and join the ACI Pact before the meeting.

Nathaniel Reyes
Nathaniel Reyes

That's quite going a far back.

Anyway, there WAS a faction in Imperial Japan that was favored on attacking Russia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Way_Faction
The Kōdōha envisioned a return to an idealized pre-industrialized, pre-westernized Japan, in which the state was to be purged of corrupt bureaucrats, opportunistic politicians, and greedy zaibatsu capitalists. The state would be run directly by Emperor Hirohito in a "Shōwa Restoration" assisted by the military. Domestically, the state would return to the traditional values of Japan, and externally, war with the Soviet Union was not only unavoidable, but necessary to eliminate the threat posed by communism.[2] In a news conference in September 1932, Araki first mentioned the word "Kōdōha" ("The Imperial Way"), from which his movement received its popular name.
This is the whole point of the Jap Army venture in manchuko either ways.

Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

Hokushin-ron (北進論, "Northern Expansion Doctrine" or "Northern Road") was a pre-World War II political doctrine of the Empire of Japan which stated that Manchuria and Siberia were Japan's sphere of interest and that the potential value to Japan for economic and territorial expansion in those areas was greater than elsewhere. Its supporters were sometimes called the Strike North Group. It enjoyed wide support within the Imperial Japanese Army during the interwar period, but was abandoned in 1939 after military defeat on the Mongolian front at the Battles of Khalkhin Gol (known in Japan as the Nomonhan incident) and the signing of Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron

Nolan Hughes
Nolan Hughes

Lessons for next time?
Don't declare war on the two most powerful nations on Earth at the same time.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

bong
implying they didn't declare war/prepare for war first
They should have had strategic bombers, maybe then such abhorrent posts could be preemptively aborted.

Owen Cruz
Owen Cruz

678242
I wonder what would happen if the germans had really finished the british army in Dunkirk, would that sheer loss force the brits back to the bargaining table?

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

678245
Well, with the brits surrending, no base for americans to fly their planes from, no Africa campaign.

The germans can consolidate on western Europe in general and go straight for Egypt and get the various oil there.

I think the brits actually hold the keys for german victory since their worldwide network is what kept Germany from getting resources and supplied.

The USSR, while strong, is only a regional power and they can only commit to one front.

Ryder Harris
Ryder Harris

america and the USSR declared war on Germany first
This is a new level of wehraboo autism

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

678245
I doubt Britain would just give up after BEF is destroyed, Britain's leadership was determined to see the war through no matter what the public thought, who would be a lot less enthusiastic for the war after such a disaster and that may fuck over Britain in the long run but it would take time for some kind coup or revolt that has a chance of success
niggercum dreams
If anything, losing the BEF might speed that up as the Anglos would look to replace their losses as quickly as possible any bring in more troops from their colonies, especially as the public becomes more unruly

Kayden Smith
Kayden Smith

You're right, they didn't declare war in '39 but actually in '33.

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Luke Gonzalez
Luke Gonzalez

Tell the Brits to eat shit and kill your faggot president.
FDR was a fucking cunt.

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

Jesus Christ, I can't wait until your entire genetic existence is erased from the face of the earth, anglonigger. I would sacrifice 20% of the remaining European (including burgermutts) populace to the devil's fire if it meant the permanent erasure of the eternal britcuck. Your kind literally deserve no form of quarter or mercy.

Owen Rodriguez
Owen Rodriguez

When bombing Britain, go for all targets possible instead of just military.
The Luftwaffe didn't have the airpower to do that especially when half needed to be dedicated to Barbarossa. He should have gone for the military installations, Britain was already desperate and only got away with a victory by effectively funneling the entire RAF against every attack using their advanced radar. The bombing of major cities was a wasteful reprisal in reponse to British efforts doing the same in Germany.

Aiden Sullivan
Aiden Sullivan

European (including burgermutts)
Stop kidding yourself.

Matthew Cooper
Matthew Cooper

Brits broke german code early
<Change code, maneuvers and activity is now a mystery
Battle of britain, Hitler has already exhausted what existed of his navy fighting against denmark/norway? and cannot openly contend with the navy
<Naval bombers n shit? Failing that, bring the railway guns and bunker busters from Germany into France and blow the shit out of infrastructure and shit in england. Slowly rebuild navy with Navy buster ships, whilst simultaneously bombing the shit out of British navy, and wearing down Enemy fighters. Install fuckton of AA near the british channel/the sea to achieve naval/air supremacy so you can eventually work towards landing paratroopers in England.
Stalingrad
<When an opportunity to pull out arises PULL OUT so you don't end up losing an entire army
<Fortify ground taken and take the defensive in the brutal Russian winter.
<Cut off enemy logistics if possible whilst ensuring to maintain your own. Fall back if necessary in order to ensure the frontline is tight, well secured, and impenetrable. If you withdraw, establish scorched earth policy against enemy. Do not put German officer who hates slavs in charge of eastern front and do not let soviet soldiers in German uniforms commit atrocities against Russians. Expect no mercy from USSR, so give none in return.
<Summer, attack, hoping that Japan can intercede in the east if not already preoccupied by american forces
Germany has resource problems which directly conflict with the necessity to have high resources for their expensive heavy tanks
<Steamroll through greece into Iraq to capture oil fields/consider cutting through india into USSR. Can now attack USSR on two fronts OR you've just allowed them to do so. Either way, be wary of USSR zergs and let them throw themselves at your defences if need be. Essentially turtle up, and don't blitzkrieg unless the enemy gives you an opportunity to do so.
The enemy has vast naval superiority and the only ones who can really combat this atm on the axis are the japanese
Give the japanese and italian navies (lol) air support whilst rebuilding your own navy
Isolate britain if possible, end goal should be after naval/air superiority has been achieved perhaps to land paratroopers in cornwall/south of london, fortify these positions and deny access to british soldiers overseas. Allocate divisions stationed near france and spain to intercede
Forgive debt owed from nationalist spain, allowing them to enter the war in earnest and fuck with the british in Gibraltar This should also be a concern regardless since Gibraltar locks down Italy's navy in the Mediterranean. If you can't get through to Gibraltar the old fashioned way, paratroop your guys in and capture it.
Sources: History and Hearts of iron 4.

Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis

Hearts of Iron 4
Wanna play it in multiplayer?

Logan Wright
Logan Wright

Yes. At some point definitely. Had some fun games in the past playing modern times games in Africa and dominating as Ghadaffi. I'd have to clear my schedule though but perhaps a thread should be made soon to get people on board with it. I'd be cool playing Germany, Japan, Italy, Britain (I would go fascist of course).

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

No, that's pure nonsense. Germany absolutely would not invest itself to fight the chinks. It would have nothing to gain from doing that and it wouldn't be a popular move, given the already war exhausted public. At most, Hitler would send some material aid. Also, "land connection through russia"? That was never even a possibility. Soviets would never accept a peace that'd result in their complete annexation, and even if they did, Siberian infrastructure would easily be destroyed through partisans, and render any possibility of Germany transferring troops there moot.

The northern road became impossible the moment Japan invested in China. As I mentioned above. They only reason Japan even contemplated it was the massive underestimation of Soviet military forces (common at the time) and had they actually decided to attack USSR without Germany attacking it first (prior to 1939 when northern road was officially abandoned), they'd get curbstomped. By the time Hitler actually attacked USSR, northern road was dead and buried.

memes of iron 4
I hope both of you choke, playing that ahistorical piece of shit. If you want a proper game in the period (that is both historical AND massively better than piece of shit 4), play Darkest Hour

Christian Price
Christian Price

I think the biggest lessons for next time (after we end up nuking ourselves hopefully) is to never accept deals from jews, kill or refuse and jews coming into your land, kicking out any existing jews, and never giving women any form of political or social control outside from taking care of your home and children.

David Edwards
David Edwards

I hope both of you choke, playing that ahistorical piece of shit
Rude. And what if I play it for the alternative history mods? You are right though, HoI3 is much more accurate and much more harder.

Justin Robinson
Justin Robinson

Just don't think that you can achieve your dreams in one go, instead try to play the long game over generations. E.g. Germans could have choose to do nothing during the phoney war (other than forifying the borders) and wait until the public in France and Britain get bored of it and elect some commies who promise free gibs. The other possibiliy is that the Anglo-French alliance decides to attack Norway and Sweden, and then I'm sure that both of them would side with the Germans, along with Denmark. That could be the starting point of a propaganda war that could lead to the Benelux states siding with them too, so that they can avoid getting attacked by the democrators. And it would be a lot harder to sell this conflict to the burgers as the ebul gnadzees conquering Yurop (not impossible, mind you, just harder). Meanwhile Stalin would be waiting for those imberialisds to start killing each other properly, and so the soviets would keep building shitty tanks to attack once the conflict is over. I think this would stabilize Europe in a Cold War due to the unwillingness of either side to risk a proper conflict and the axis could gain the upper hand as they have the time to properly militarize their societies and economies.

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

Now, today in a similar conflict you'd just have to wair until the average demizen of da free wurld is either a moslem nigger or a homosexual mulatto, and just watch their world crumble as they simply don't have a population that can maintain a modern country with a strong army.

Kevin Sullivan
Kevin Sullivan

And what if I play it for the alternative history mods?
Then you still have shit taste. The game itself is complete garbage. Play Darkest Hour.

Anthony Williams
Anthony Williams

Unified command structure between nations, clear cooperation and goals.
Unified command structure between the men of one's own nation, clear cooperation and strictly defined goals and objectives.
<Enact a proactive strategic tech development plan early on with strict goals, a set number of projects with clearly defined HR allotments and a small number of fallback slots for reactive projects.
<Build as many aircraft carriers and submarines as possible, remove battleships.
<Do invest in meme projects but never more than 2 at a time, cancel them early on if they don't work out and shuffle resources elsewhere.
Never fight more enemies than you absolutely need to.
<Attack Britain hard with a focus on C&C and general military infrastructure, then soften up everything else in preparation for Unternehmen Seelöwe. Avoid civilian casualties and tell the Italians to entertain colonial Anglos in the mediterranean with no need for victory.
<If Seelöwe succeeds and the Anglo surrenders, go for the mediterranean. If Seelöwe fails, go for the mediterranean and by proxy, north Africa even harder.
Bring friends, but don't bully them.
<Gas everything on your way to the Suez, let Spain and Greece decide for themselves.
<Take Gibraltar after that, either by having Spain join and remove Anglos, Gibraltar being declared a DMZ as part of an Anglo-German peace agreement or a simple paratrooper assault.
<Offer Japan to engage Soviets in a three-way attack with Germany attacking from Europe+Iraq/Iran if the enemy has yet to capture the latter and Japan attacking from Manchuria and perhaps Sakhalin if the madmen are up for it.
<If the Soviets are planning an attack, let them attack for diplomatic publicity purposes.
<When fighting Soviets, aim for defensive battles with inflated enemy casualty rates. Don't take territory you can't hold.
<Cut off lend-lease deliveries to enemy troops to the best of your ability, shadow American supply convoys but don't fire at them unless they fire at you.
That should at least buy the Reich enough time to get a good number of Me 262s up and running on the West European coasts and/or build a carrier fleet capable of at least slowing down the USN should America choose to declare war.

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

Unified command structure between nations, clear cooperation and goals.
There used to be Anti-comintern, 防共協定

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

Retards playing armchair-generals.

Julian Turner
Julian Turner

Nigger, you don't even make sense. Manchuko is literally right next to Russia.

All the jap army needs to do is consolidating in Manchuko and retreating from Shanghai.

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

It's like I'm talking to a fucking wall. Do you not understand the concept of opening a new front? Do you not comprehend that in order to fight, you need both soldiers and supplies? When did I ever imply Manchukuo wasn't next to Russia?

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

fun ist verbotten
t. kolonel snitzelwurst

Eli Johnson
Eli Johnson

There is nothing to stop Japan retreating from China, issue a ceasefire with Chiang and strike the USSR.

Ayden Torres
Ayden Torres

This. Pearl Harbour and the the Ultimatum to Metaxas were mistakes.

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

Don't pick fights with every industrial powerhouse in the world.

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

The Vancouver Sun, 23rd of April 1940
WAR TO DEATH AGAINST ALL GERMAN PEOPLE!!!
<A retired admiral announces at a private club that he is angry about the annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia!
Wow, that was convincing.

Daily Express Article, 24th of March 1933
JEWS OF THE WORLD DECLARE WAR
<Israel is boycotting German goods and has called for Jews around the world to join them.
That one was even in bold text as the subtitle, so you've no excuse for misrepresenting it. Or did you just not read the images you posted?

<tl;dr - HoI4: fun game, crap history.
Naval bombers
I don't think you understand just how completely outclassed the Kriegsmarine was during WW2. I don't remember the precise numbers but I'm pretty sure that the Royal Navy Home Fleet (i.e. just the detachments that were assigned to defend the UK) was larger than the German and Italian navies combined.

Hope Japan can intercede in the East (of Russia)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron
Yeah, the Japs tried that, got badly beaten on land, were happy to sign a Jap-Soviet neutrality treaty, and decided it wasn't worth the losses to take a second shot at invading the Soviets. That was why they focused on the resources that could be gained from the Pacific islands.

Turtle up
Aside from the fact that Greece is a shitty place to occupy (widely distributed population, and too many islands/mountainous areas for insurgents to hide in) the reason Germany focused so hard on expanding was lack of resources - particularly fuel. Turtling up would have lead to just lead to their industry running dry that much quicker, even without the bombing campaigns.

Forgive debt owed from nationalist Spain
Churchill basically bribed Franco to stay out of the war. After that went through Spain were perfectly happy to sit down and watch from the sideline and the Axis didn't have anywhere near enough money to spare to change that. The Mediterranean naval war was lost for Germany & Italy from the start. Britain controlled the only two routes in and out (Gibraltar and the Suez Canal), the Regia Marina was too small and out of date to threaten the Royal Navy's Mediterranean Fleet (to the point where their own admirals were convinced they couldn't win), they were unable to capture Malta; and after the RN air arm sank or took half of their fleet out of action at the battle of Taranto they weren't even in much of a position to harry the logistical convoys headed to North Africa.

Or, at the very least, if you are going to pick a fight with the three major powers of the day then try to make sure that your allies aren't Weeb Autists and in the sort of shape Italy was in at that point.

Brayden Edwards
Brayden Edwards

All Japan needs to do is to fight and get the attention of Soviet force.

They can lose, but that's exactly beneficial to the German's war effort.

A two-pincer movement can go back and forth, back and forth.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

The northern road became impossible
Northern road was always impossible.
The parts of Siberia that actually have easily accessible natural resources are largely half a world away from Japan.
Sure there are some in southern Yakutia that Japan may have been to secure and hold but most of the Siberian wealth are the eastern uralic plains that is both at a considerable distance from China, much closer to western Russia and, even then, properly populated by Russians.
It would have been simpler to commit to invade Australia early on.

Also Khalkhyn Gol battles proved that the Kwantung Army had a dreadful understanding of maneuver warfare and gear so bad even Russians third rater with post WWI tankettes and really shitty gear, could crush them without effort. And it showed when the brand new Chi-Ha were somewhat worse than BT-7 (at least the BT-7 was stupid fast) in 1939, ended up encountering IS-3 in 1945…

Japanese armies were still largely a WWI army, that moved on foot and used a lot of horses while the soviet army, while barely drilled and being led by the most incompetent officer corps in the history of mankind, was an almost entirely motorized army.
Which in the immense plains of Siberia, is not to be dismissed.

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

And Japan needs to do is to lose and get the attention of the Eastern Soviet army.

Any force they tie up is a force that will not be used on the germans.

Austin Jenkins
Austin Jenkins

pearl harbour
Love it, the US was literally offering the japs free oil and fuel if they stopped attacking everyone, and the japs' response was to start attacking more people. Hapa rage on an international scale.

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

Pearl Harbor was due to the American blocking Japan though.

Fucking sanctions.

John Russell
John Russell

Stop wasting precious wartime resources on increasingly impractical wunderwaffen. Stop letting politicians meddle with procurement in general.
Standardize fucking everything. Standardize ammunition and guns across branches wherever possible, stop developing entirely new guns when sticking the old guns on a new mount would work just as well, and just fucking shoot the guy who thought using two 105mm turrets with different traverse rates on the same ship was a good idea.
Germany's naval procurement was fucked at every level. They had no coherent doctrine, the politicians in charge of procurement kept setting wildly unrealistic requirements, and the design bureau itself was a madhouse for reasons I won't get into here. The first two problems are fixable, but the design bureau would need to be rebuilt from scratch. In the interim, maybe Germany could have outsourced the design stage to allied firms and then built them locally.
Actually test your equipment for reliability, and design said equipment so that it can be easily repaired in the field when it does fail. This should all go without saying, but the Germans somehow managed to fuck it up.
Before you launch an invasion, actually do some research on your enemy's terrain and infrastructure. If your main enemy is known for their shitty roads, cold winters and long mud season, then it would be wise to actually design all your equipment to handle cold and mud.
Don't open a second front when the first front is nowhere near victory. Don't ally with retards who provoke neutral superpowers for no good reason.

This is all for Germany, mind you. Japan had their own problems and Italy was doomed from the start.

David Jackson
David Jackson

It would be nice to join in confederated Red maple leaf, Brit, Straya, Kiwi, Yank and Afrikaner nation.

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

Honestly The thing that lost Hitler the war was Finland being way to fucking good during the Winter War
Finland crushing the soviets gave the idea to Hitler that the Soviets were weak as fuck and he could fuck them up, had Finland remained more of a stalemate in that war then Hitler would of swept the west without caring about USSR
Honestly I bet had Hitler considered this, he might of been able to get Australia or at least South Australia on his side since Australia was a bit pissy at Britain just before the war, and South Australia was basically a german speaking state at that point Its only post war when German became shunned that they stopped, same with Minnesoda in the US

Ryder Thomas
Ryder Thomas

hitler worshipper

I didnt even need to look at the flag to know its some americunt (hiding behind a proxy is even more pathetic)

Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

What is the serb problem with Hitler anyhow?

Lincoln James
Lincoln James

When you have a large part of the entirety of the enemy's army surrounded, don't let them evacuate. Kill them, take them prisoner, it doesn't matter. Just don't let them return.

John Williams
John Williams

A junkie who employed blacks, muslims and arabs in his quest to genocide white europeans, claimed multiple times that Christianity is a disease and that Europe would be a better place if Franks lost the Battle of Tours and arabs islamized everyone. His post-war plan for Europe was even more insane, they planned to build huge dams in Med to drain all the water and merge Europe and Africa into a "supercontinent" so they could have both the natural resources and cheap labour and lets not forget that European Union is basicly copypasted idea of Hitlers "economic plan" for post-war Europe aswell.

Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

Balkan conflict was bad mojo for everyone involved. There will have to be a Herculean effort to make amends.

Christopher Green
Christopher Green

You forget that after the humiliating defeats in Mongolia the Jap army was barely even the second arm of their military. After the IJN got clearance for its 'Southern path' expansion policy none of the politicians or senior military officers in government would listen to a plan that didn't involve aircraft carriers and cruisers.
BUT GERMANY COULD HAVE FORCED THEM TO DO IT!
As Germany wasn't able to stop them attacking Pearl Harbour and bringing the burgers into the war I doubt it. Italy may have been Hitler's bitch, but Japan looks like it was barely even allied with the Germans.

An Anglosphere(+Afrikaner) alliance would still be god-tier. Shame that it's only in the people's interest.

Blame Goering, and Hitler for listening to him.

Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips

fortify holdings in Russia and go defensive
But like muh Deep Battle 'n sheeeit

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

His post-war plan for Europe was even more insane, they planned to build huge dams in Med to drain all the water and merge Europe and Africa into a "supercontinent" so they could have both the natural resources and cheap labour and lets not forget that European Union is basicly copypasted idea of Hitlers "economic plan" for post-war Europe aswell.
Proof?

Sebastian Wood
Sebastian Wood

You forget that after the humiliating defeats in Mongolia the Jap army was barely even the second arm of their military.
This is the entire problem here.

The thing is, with future foreknowledge, we know that even if the Imperial Army is weak, it can still divert forces from the Soviet Union or even bait them to do useless actions so that germans can make their gains.

Mason Ramirez
Mason Ramirez

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

James Torres
James Torres

Reading that seriously, not a bad deal to be honest.

And no, Hitler didn't mean for the germans to mix with africans simply because he wants their resources.

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

Reading that seriously, not a bad deal to be honest

Dam projects sacrifice nature for $$$, look at China and you will see the effect it has on enviroment, he didnt plan for germans to mix with africans he planned for africans/arabs to replace all other non-germans as cheap labour.

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

The thing with China is that their low technology and lack of morality is what destroying their nature.

I think a Reich dam that is properly maintained and check for environmental regulation would be different, especially the benefits it brings, both in energy AND resources.

Colton Hill
Colton Hill

he didnt plan for germans to mix with africans he planned for africans/arabs to replace all other non-germans as cheap labour.
Didn't read this in the article.

James Bailey
James Bailey

they didnt care about enviroment its simple as that, they only cared about the future profits

wikipedia for some reason doesnt mention this but nazis planned to replace native europeans with africans/arabs, basicly for the same reasons European Union is importing so many of them today, cheap labour.

No idea where this meme of nazis wanting good for the Europe came from when they only wanted to plunder Europe and fuck over everyone else.

Kayden Ross
Kayden Ross

the reason Germany focused so hard on expanding was lack of resources - particularly fuel.
Wouldn't securing the mediterranean and its coasts have alleviated that to an extent?
How badly would an Axis-controlled Suez canal have hampered the British far east fleet?
After the IJN got clearance for its 'Southern path' expansion policy none of the politicians or senior military officers in government would listen to a plan that didn't involve aircraft carriers and cruisers.
Then use those aircraft carriers and cruisers to conduct amphibious landings at Kamchatka or Vladivostok.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

they didnt care about enviroment its simple as that
<The dudes that pioneered environmentalism as a national policy and openly denounced unregulated capitalism just cared about future profits
planned to replace native europeans with africans/arabs
<The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan was actually Nazis
Ok retard.

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

It seems you are raised on learning some pretty awful nazi propaganda because the National Socialist german care very much about their environment, unlike the US or the USSR.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

fuck off stormfag

having few laws about the enviroment doesnt mean they actually give a shit, its like saying AOC cares about the enviroment because she wanted to push her Green new deal

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Like Germany having basically the best environment to live in and the infrastructure to support it (autobahn).

When Hitler says he cares, he actually cares. Not dumb shit about cow fart.

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

I don't think Japan had the ability to keep that up for long enough to be worth it. They were an out of date, embarrassment, of an army that just didn't have the capabilities needed. If you went back to say 1920 and were given the power of the Japanese Emperor then maybe you could unfuck them, but that's getting retarded even for a hindsight thread.

Wouldn't securing the Mediterranean and its coasts have alleviated that to an extent?
Massively. Colossally. That's probably a won war in one move. The problem was, as already explained, neither the German nor Italian navy (not even both of them combined under a single competent command structure) had the ability to deliver on that. If you want to expand your premise to delivering modern missile cruisers to the Axis then that would change things, but again that's just getting silly.

Then use those aircraft carriers and cruisers to conduct amphibious landings at Kamchatka or Vladivostok
Japan was expanding for resources, the resources it would get from Vladivostok & Kamchatka wouldn't be enough to cover the resources spent in securing them. Even if the IJN Marines were the literal gods of war the Japanese army would have been the main bulk of the push west and would have been just as useless there as they had been in Mongolia, at best hampering the push badly enough to turn it into a logistical clusterfuck that would have barely warranted a single Soviet division to clear them out.

I know this is going to be a tricky sell on Zig Forums of all places, but short of giving the Axis/Japs literal magic I don't think you could alter the outcome of WW2. Maybe you could drag it out and cause even more damage to every nation involved, but I don't think you could make any substantive change to the outcome.

Daniel James
Daniel James

Which country would you advise to play with for a beginner and why?

Alexander Morris
Alexander Morris

wasting 488 digits on good goy speech
How does it feel to be presented as worse than Hitler for trying to protect your country by the (((very same people))) you died in droves to protect from the ebul gnatzees, greatest ally?

Aaron Bennett
Aaron Bennett

It's hardcore post-communist denial like in Russia. Admitting that your country's and patriots' greatest sacrifice was used against you and that you fought heroically for the bad guys is a hard redpill to swallow, especially if you suffered half century of communism as a direct consequence of your "victory".

Caleb Long
Caleb Long

Probably Germany. You'll get fucked by USSR later on, but it's a good way to learn the game.

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

modern missile cruisers
short of giving the Axis/Japs literal magic
They could have get into this Wunderwaffe-'tism in the 30s and in a sensible way, and sink most of the Royal Navy in early 1940 with wire-guided missiles.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehl-Strasbourg_radio_control_link#Counter_Countermeasures
Mind you, I don't say that it's a foolproof method that works 100% of the time, but imagine what would have happened if they damage or sink every major Royal Navy vessel during the invasion of Norway and the Dunkirk evacuation.

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

I don't think you could alter the outcome of WW2
What's the earliest you would go back to try to set things on track for an axis victory?

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

Probably towards the middle or end of WW1 and kill Lenin before the dumbass Kaiser shipped him out.
Preventing the Soviet Union from forming in the first place would help greatly.

Logan Evans
Logan Evans

Next time we just nuke Britain and they will surrender or die, because they are basically in the same position as Japan in WW2 and can't take a beating of this magnitude as an Island Nation.

James Morris
James Morris

Russia was getting industrialized with or without communism. It's more about preventing the URSS from fucking up american politics than the URSS itself.

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

Atlantropa was the Project of Herman Sörgel. The highest office Herman Sörgel managed to reach in his live was being an Official Master builder for the Bavarian State.
He was never part of the government of the unified Reich under Hitler nor any of its institutions and he never got any support for his idea from the Nazi Party, their government or their institutions.
How in the fucking world does your fucking Untermenschen Propaganda turn this into Hitlers dream project for Post WW2 Europe?

John Powell
John Powell

Probably the fact that you can't get today's "news" straight which implies events from 80 years ago are even more of a blur and (((fiction))).

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

In my defence a nuke powered capital ship loaded to the gills with Exocets and SM2s guided by top of the line modern Radar would effectively be magic for the average engineer of the 1930's. and of course Germany had some interesting prototypes and concept pieces, but if they were close to entering full production/deployment then why wouldn't the program suffer the same treatment as the Uranprojekt?

What's the earliest you would go back to try to set things on track for an axis victory?
Probably before WWI, and the changes you'd make would radically alter the course of that war (or even whether or not it ever happened), and once you do that the situation and events that lead to WWII probably don't happen either (consider that Hitler's rise to power was almost entirely dependent on the economic shitshow of the Weimer administration, which wouldn't happen the same way). It's why hindsight threads like this usually devolve into ridiculous fanwank sessions pretty quickly.

Evan Phillips
Evan Phillips

It's more about preventing the URSS from fucking up american politics than the URSS itself.
But if your prevent the USSR from forming in the first place, then you wouldn't have the USSR fuckingg around your politics in the first place.
Industrialized Imperial Russia > USSR

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

The proper course of action is to meet Marx and relentlessly mock and bully him while laughing at how buttblasted he gets whenever you make fun of his ideology.

Henry Baker
Henry Baker

Not just ww2. Serbroach basically ignited the ww1 shitstprm.
They are like baste poles.

Jason Davis
Jason Davis

678482
nazis planned to replace native europeans with africans/arabs, basicly for the same reasons European Union is importing so many of them today, cheap labour.
Another reason I felt no guilt shen our soylent Greens ordered the corpse of our air power to bomb these cockroaches to oblivion. The croats have always been better partners.

Ryan Johnson
Ryan Johnson

What works for a group of farmers in the jungle doesn’t work for an entire army. How do you deal with supply lines and logistics if your troopers are constantly moving? How do you withdraw and retreat from an attack with almost no preparation and not lose huges amounts of equipment? How do you even arrange that sort of mobile warfare along an entire front without being easily baited into encirclements? How does the command structure work? How do you prevent the enemy from just walking past if you have no line established?

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

The problem was, as already explained, neither the German nor Italian navy (not even both of them combined under a single competent command structure) had the ability to deliver on that.
Even so Rommel got along pretty far with his undersupplied and undermanned Afrikakorps, an Axis offensive towards the Suez launched following the failed BoB with Barbarossa levels of Wehrmacht divisions and enough german high commanders to tard wrangle the Italians into shape could certainly at least have closed off the northern ends.
At that point Spain might very well feel confident in an Axis victory so as to close off the Gibraltar strait.

Anglos would then have to invest considerable resources into an invasion of Spain while their ships in the med are stuck without fuel or ports to dock in save for maybe Cyprus, Greece and Turkey assuming those haven't joined the Axis at that point.
Spain wouldn't be able to defeat the Anglo on their own but they could very well conduct gorilla warfare in the vast mountainside of the country in the likely event of an invasion.
If Iraq, Palestine and Jordan revolt against Anglo rule then Rommel could just shitpost himself over to the Atlantic coast and neuter Anglo attempts to recapture Gibraltar completely even if they capture the northern part of the Strait.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

Spain wouldn't go to war against Allies over Gibraltar alone. You need to remember that Spain just got out of a devastating civil war and that Franco didn't have an overwhelming support of the people like Hitler did. Even so, he did offer joining Axis, back before Barbarossa and when it looked like allies would surrender at any moment, the conditions being not just Gibraltar, but also Morocco. Hitler had full power to give Morocco to Franco, but he didn't, instead choosing to buddy up with the defeated France (a move he really should not have done; he gained nothing and lost Spain and, consequently, Gibraltar). Really, not handing Morocco over was one of the key decisions that let to Axis defeat. Had Spain joined, it would (probably with German support) be able to quickly take over Gibraltar. With Gibraltar blocked, suppling the rest of Mediterranean with supplies and troops would be much more challenging for the Allies, most likely allowing Axis to take Suez as well.

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

There won't be a next time because nukes.

Liam Collins
Liam Collins

Rommel's work in North Africa was indeed impressive, considering the problems he was dealing with. I still think you're overestimating Spain's ability to help you out there though. Spain's industry, economy, infrastructure, and population were badly damaged by the civil war, even if Germany had promised Franco the entire African continent and a 100m tall statue of himself in Berlin they wouldn't have been able to contribute much to the war. Could Germany manage to supply arms, vehicles, aircraft, fuel, ships, food, ammunition, and other assorted supplies on a large enough scale to make Spain a credible or even just Italy tier member of the Axis powers?

The Wehrmacht did draw up plans to invade Gib, without Spanish cooperation, but it kept being held back by diplomatic problems until the units needed for it were sent east for Barbarossa. If you want to write a story where Germany becomes a Mary Sue tier character that can expect the universe itself to bend over backwards for it then don't let me stop you, just remember that it's (at best) no better than Hollywood movies claiming that the entirety of WWII lasted for the 24 hours the all American 'Sergeant America McSquarejaw' needed to paradrop into Hitlers volcano doom fortress and punch him in the face.

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

hoi4
Go choke on some BBC, you disgusting *nglo.
Are you literally 12?

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Landon Moore
Landon Moore

What if Hitler and Franco staged a diplomatic falling out between them followed by a german gunboat occupation of Gibraltar, the result of which would be Spain handing Gibraltar to Germany in return for Hitler promising not to invade Spain as long as they don't join up with the allies :^).
Make the event as dramatic and MSM worthy as possible and the British will be unlikely to invade poor Spain who got mercilessly bullied by the evil Nazi mastermind Hitler after an exhausting civil war that he probably started in the first place.

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Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

Don't get your schnitzel in a twist g*rman see I can do it too :^) surface value it's just one of the more watered down autism simulators out there. You really get so brutally assparaged by the mere mention of this game? Why?
Played Darkest Hour a bit today. On the surface, Apart from being more autistic, having different decisions take place and Major powers constantly trying and failing to steal my tech, how is it 'historical'? In fact, isn't that just the wrong term anyway because you're essentially creating an alternate history? I assume you just mean from an equipment/tech standpoint.
naval bombers
I suppose it was just a little variation on Operation Sea Lion anyway.
Turtling up in greece
Why Greece? You go THROUGH greece because it's probably the only way by land from Germany to Iraq without going directly through Russia. You turtle to hold the oilfields/resources there. Also fuck Africa, pointless moshpit.
Churchill basically bribed Franco to stay out of the war.
Sounds untrustworthy as fuck. Honestly not as well read as you on most of this stuff, but I think a lot of it depends on how far you want to go back.. If Hitler knew the british wanted war, and listened to his generals, crushed their forces at Dunkirk etc, didn't keep trying to make peace at the beginning pre-bomber harris, that could have changed much there and then. I know that Hitler never originally wanted a second war with Britain, but Churchill definitely wanted a second war with Germany.
muh Deep Battle 'n sheeeit
Excellent post.

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

Listening to his generals
Except Goering obviously. At Dunkirk at least.

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

Gibraltar
Meant to say the Spanish protectorate in Morocco.

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

Except that's just wrong, again.
Despite popular beliefs, the soviet never touched the far east garrison.
Even in 1942, on the brink of total collapse, they still had 1.5M men and around 3000 tanks (well mostly prewar ones, but then it's not like japan had better shit), 10k artillery piece and 3000 planes in the Transbaikal and Siberian military districts. More than enough to hold the Japanese at bay around the Baikal choke with elastic defense.
Again the Japanese could have seized Sakhalin (some oil, don't know if it was exploited back then), Vladivostock area (Gold, Tungsten), possibly pushing towards Magadan (Coal) but they couldn't have been able to go much further than the Baikal shores before encountering massed opposition.

Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

Out of curiosity would someone like me be one of the first to die just because of my looks?
I've been mistaken for a jew several times and even a jewish fraternity tried rushing me in college. Even took a (((genetic test))) and it came up as basically just european/nordic with 2% caucasus which my family is somewhat sure is from Turkey yet I am the only one with a big nose in my family yet im also the only one who isn't a cucked faggot.

Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

Didn't you just copy Zzeligowski's mutiny but applied it to Gibraltar?
Even took a (((genetic test)))
You should be roped for giving DNA to a company ran by people who took research of South African ethnic cleansing bioweapon after the fall of apartheid.

Ethan Adams
Ethan Adams

yeah, I was young then and grew up in a no fun household. didn't know how deep it all went yet

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

Big noses aren't exclusive to Jews, if you look at old prewar german photographs there are plenty of ethnic whites with what could reasonably be deemed a low level schnoz.
What matters more is the presence of any other signs of physical jewry in addition to the nose, such as large lower lips, protruding lower eyelids, curly hair and generally mismatched facial proportions that just don't look right.

Gavin Powell
Gavin Powell

To take Gibraltar Germany would have needed to do one of two things.
A) Go through Spain
That would definitely reignite the civil war and either turn into a quagmire that stops the Wehrmacht somewhere in Aragon or fucked with their logistics to the point that made an assault on a dug in defender (with oceanic resupply and a shitload of supplies already stockpiled) retarded and pointless. Even if Franco tried to help suppress the Republican and Commie forces that would be read as an act of support/allegiance to the Axis and would lead to heavy bombardment and probable invasion of Spain. Bad end either way.
B) Naval landing
Even if we put the Kriegsmarines weak starting point and low strength in the Med, and the Royal Navy's dominance in the area, to one side search for a few photos of beaches in Gibraltar. You get maybe 50-75m of sand (which would be a landmine showroom if the defenders got more than 48 hours warning), and then a 200m tall vertical rock-face. At the top of that cliff you have the well dug in defenders with pre-sighted artillery, on site air support, and the aforementioned large stockpile of ammo and supplies. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want my name even vaguely associated with that operation if I heard about it before it kicked off.

Like I said earlier, give the Nazis a few battalions of actual wizards and anything is possible, but I don't think you can do much more than prolong the inevitable with less than that.

Operation Sea Lion
Do you mean Operation: Unworkable Pipe-dream?

Go through Greece to Iraq, turtle in Iraq
and just wait until midnight for their supplies to pop in situ? If you can't control Greece/Turkey then your troops turtled up in Iraq are going to be facing down the Soviet hordes with empty bellies and empty rifles, good times.

Churchill definitely wanted a second war with Germany.
That may well be true. But even if Churchill was stroking the kind of warboner that would Genghis Khan look like a pacifist how exactly did he bring that about as a back bench MP? I know there are a number of quotes that don't cast him in a great light, but it's a long way to go from that to 'he basically controlled the government from 1930 onwards'.

Angel Hill
Angel Hill

A) Go through Spain

That would definitely reignite the civil war

That's wrong though.

and either turn into a quagmire that stops the Wehrmacht somewhere in Aragon or fucked with their logistics to the point that made an assault on a dug in defender (with oceanic resupply and a shitload of supplies already stockpiled) retarded and pointless. Even if Franco tried to help suppress the Republican and Commie forces that would be read as an act of support/allegiance to the Axis and would lead to heavy bombardment and probable invasion of Spain. Bad end either way.

That's wrong though. How would the UK invade anything without their American masters?

taking Gibraltar from Spain is impossible because I get butthurt thinking about it.

Ok, guess paratroopers and artillery and air power don't exist when they're used against britcucks.

Out of curiosity would someone like me be one of the first to die just because of my looks?

No, Hitler was an incel like you before he got into power and begun to swim in pussy.

Except that's just wrong, again.

Except you are wrong, again. Stalin moved tons of troops to the west once he was sure that the gooks wouldn't attack him from Manchuko. You also forgot that the bolshevists on the few occasions they fought the gooks always lost more men and material than the gooks while massively outnumbering and outgun them. Losing Vladivostok wouldn't be a huge blow, but it would still reduce the amount of lend-lease the soviet kikes got from their western brothers.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

The real question is, who will win the next big conflict?
Outside of the jews

Jayden Ramirez
Jayden Ramirez

Gibraltar landing
See this is why the Kriegsmarine needed aircraft carriers and long-range strategic bombers.
Crater the runway with a few SC 1000 bombs launched from Amerika bombers, let carrier Stukas kill the artillery and then bring in multiple waves of Paratroopers to clean up and voila, no more Anglo boats going into the med until (((they))) start invading Spain for not allying against Hitler.
In hindsight my dumb shitpost might really seem to be the best option as Brits would still retain control of the overseas territory of Gibraltar while Germany would gain control of the southern coast of the Gibraltar strait, thus achieving a perpetual blockade for either side's vessels until one of the opposing parties is removed.
You do know that the IJA loved to send men into heroic charges into enemy MG positions on hills and didn't have much in the way of armored fighting vehicles that weren't one man paper boxes on treads?

Adrian Martinez
Adrian Martinez

how is it 'historical'? In fact, isn't that just the wrong term anyway because you're essentially creating an alternate history? I assume you just mean from an equipment/tech standpoint.
Well, aside from being more complicated than "Draw an arrow and clap :DDDD" and the AI not being thoroughly retarded, there is a decision system that has actual requirements rather than just "click button and wait to months to magically annex Austria" as well as events that both give the game actual flavour and are often triggered by current circumstances, offering different paths to solving them. In HoI4 you can fairly effortlessly cause a random country to switch is ideology, can, at the press of a button, go for ridiculous meme shit like reforming the fucking HRE during WW2, can't even properly wargame since everything is designed literally just for drawing arrows and letting the AI handle the actual fighting like a drooling retard, and get to play against a "clever" AI that can be beated just by sitting in fortified positions and watching as it endlessly charges them, until it runs out of manpower and you can just sweep in and crush it. Darkest Hour provides a more historical experience by:
1. not having absolutely retarded shit like reforming the HRE or Roman Empire or whatever have you (these paths were literally made for memes. They're there so that redditors clap)
2. has a wealth of historical flavour both in terms of events and decisions
3. has decisions actually require certain circumstances to take so that you can't just magically make shit happen like in HoI4
4. its events and decision more or less railroad you towards what historically happened, but while also giving you a chance to diverge. You can't get Hungary ot join the allies, but you can, for example, choose not to attack Yugoslavia or perform Sea Lion prior to Barbaroassa or any number of other shit. There's also a wealth of mods for more historical autism or more alternative scenarios, depending on what sort of game you want.

You really get so brutally assparaged by the mere mention of this game? Why?
Because that game is not a fucking autism simulator, it's like calling Candy Crush a tactical game. It's a ridiculously casualised piece of shit to the point it basically plays itself, with most of its flavour being in the form of literal fucking memes. It has terrible mechanics, terrible AI, little flavour, and is inferior to Darkest Hour in practically every way, despite being its de facto sequel.

C) give Franco his fucking Morocco so that Spain joins the axis

Jace Adams
Jace Adams

the IJA loved to send men into heroic charges into enemy MG positions on hills
Bayonet charges worked in China because chinks didn't have that many automatic weapons, and Japs were better trained in hand-to-hand combat. After years of fighting it became part of their doctrine, and so they used it against the burgers too. Once they figured out that all their island garrisons got themselves wiped out by charging the Yanks they changed the doctrine. Yes, their officers gladly wasted the lives of their men, and yes, they were fanatical enough to charge a machine gun nest, but they didn't do either of those it out of sheer incompetence.
didn't have much in the way of armored fighting vehicles that weren't one man paper boxes on treads
Their tonks were acceptable by interwar standards, and worked against hordes of Chinese peasants with bolt action rifles well enough. They simply didn't keep up with the rapid development of new tanks in the other side of Eurasia because they were busy with said Chinese peasants, and the army looked at the war against the USA as a sideshow ran by the navy.
tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/jap/ww2_IJN_Tanks.php
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You really shouldn't try to prove your point with a Worst Korean war movie.

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

C) give Franco his fucking Morocco so that Spain joins the axis
Would Anglos have invaded Spain if it had traded its Moroccan Protectorate with Germany in exchange for the entirety of French Morocco following the French surrender?
The Mediterranean would've been in a deadlock then.
and the army looked at the war against the USA as a sideshow ran by the navy.
There were a lot of things wrong with Nip military leadership prior and during the war.
Their tonks were acceptable by interwar standards,
That they may have been, but what they shat out during the war after their interwar tanks got trashed by Burgers was plain unacceptable.
Any attack on the Soviet Union that wouldn't be a series of suicide charges would've necessitated at least one troop of german engineers, instructors, weeb interpreters and tank blueprints traveling to Japan via submarine thanks an Axis-controlled Suez so the Nips could start shitting out poor imitations of short-barreled Pz IIIs in time.
Without the US military bearing down on them and possibly Britain too depending on how it goes any reverse Nankings the IJA would then recieve from Soviets could at least get them off their asses and take Tank warfare seriously.
As for the issue of resources, send the IJN to Singapore and Indonesia to obtain Oil and bully Brits if they haven't surrendered yet.

Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

See this is why the Kriegsmarine needed aircraft carriers
You had the two Graf Zeppelin carriers (12 Bf109, 30 Ju87 each), 2 Jade class carriers (12 Bf109, 12 Ju87 each), The Weser (10 Bf109, 10 Ju87), and at least 2 auxiliary carriers that were in production and only abandoned in the late war (34 Bf109, 28 Ju87 between them). That might not be the biggest air wing ever put together, but it's not bad for the 1940's K'marine.

If you look at the German plan for Seizing Gibraltar the air support was all supposed to take off from France and land in Spain to refuel before heading back to rearm in France. No idea why anyone thought that was a good idea, particularly as they were planning to use carrier friendly fighters and dive bombers.

The majority of the military facilities were dug in under the mountain too so apart from the runway and a few lucky hits on the shore defense guns you couldn't do much damage with naval bombardment even if you could keep the torpedo bombers away from the ships.

John Jenkins
John Jenkins

So with all the talk about how the IJA wasn't fit to challenge the Soviets on land, I decided to skim through a couple articles on the IJA/IJN rivalry to see if there was any definite point in which the IJA lost major influence. I figured that maybe, just maybe had they come out on top, the whole war with America thing would have fell through and they'd be better equipped to fight the Soviets. And then I found out just how fucking unstable the Japanese government was in the early 30's, with practically non-stop attempted coups
May 15 incident
Prime Minister Inukai Tsuyoshi was shot by eleven young naval officers
The original assassination plan had included killing the English film star Charlie Chaplin
Chaplin's murder would facilitate war with the U.S…and lead on to "restoration" in the name of the emperor
a petition arrived at court containing over 350,000 signatures in blood, which had been signed by sympathizers around the country to plead for a lenient sentence
the court also received a request from eleven youths in Niigata, asking that they be executed in place of the naval officers, and sending eleven severed fingers to the court as a gesture of their sincerity
The punishment handed down by the court was extremely light, and there was little doubt in the Japanese press that the murderers of Prime Minister Inukai would be released in a couple of years, if not sooner

the British will be unlikely to invade poor Spain
I think you underestimate the Brits tendency to fuck over anyone if it meant improving their standing in the war.

Leo Hill
Leo Hill

FritX
Friendly reminder that Germany had developed wire-guided torpedo gliders in 19-fucking-15.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_torpedo_glider

Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

Would Anglos have invaded Spain if it had traded its Moroccan Protectorate with Germany in exchange for the entirety of French Morocco following the French surrender?
Once Gibraltar fell, I don't think they'd bother. Portugal would have likely joined the Axis if Spain did, and the two of them could defend the Atlantic coast together at least. Brits were too hard pressed to conduct any big offensives of their own - they would focus on trying to hold Suez, at least, but you can bet the mediterranean would quickly become an Axis pond if Gibraltar got taken.
As for the issue of resources, send the IJN to Singapore and Indonesia to obtain Oil and bully Brits if they haven't surrendered yet.
Indonesia was guaranteed by US. Japs didn't declare war on US just to take fucking Phillipines (which were sorta shit resource-wise anyway) but mainly to grab Dutch East Indies. Whether or not US would declare war if Japan only warred Brits is a question, but you need to consider that warring brits means opening the Burma front, and thus further stressing the situation in and around China. Singapore alone wouldn't be enough to offset that cost.

Yeah, Japan government was a mess, which is why the army did whatever the fuck it wanted and basically started the war with China on its own.
the whole war with America thing would have fell through and they'd be better equipped to fight the Soviets
Both of those things were set in stone the moment Japan got bogged down in China. Had Japan not warred China, or had Japan managed to beat China prior to 1941, Pearl Harbour wouldn't have happened and Japanese likely would have joined the attack on USSR.

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

And a Hungarian engineer came up with cannon-launched ramjet projectiles in that same year:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fonó

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

And so, all that needs to be done is going back to the early 20s, and stop the disastrous war between Japan and China.

It gets even worse when you realize Japan attacking Chiang is a boon to Mao.

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

20s
But Marco Polo Bridge was in 1937

Wyatt Long
Wyatt Long

Have to go that far back so that you can actually GET the Kodoha faction in power proper and have the Army be the dominant faction in Japan's politics and not the Navy.

The Navy is to serve as the Army's bus, and not to direct the strategy of the entire nation.

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

Say I wonder.
With Spain being in a somewhat absolute state after years of civil war, could they have been a reasonable military ally for any party of the war?
It's already been mentioned that Franco was very likely to crash himself with no survivors if he'd willingly entered the war on the Axis side and that Spain would've needed a gorillion resources in order to even approach Italy levels of capability, but wouldn't those same things not only apply to any Allies of Spain but also their enemies?

The country is big, partially arid and mountainous, its infrastructure has seen better days and the population just got off a recent bloody war.
Just as Franco could've gotten overthrown by a commie revival if he'd joined the Axis war effort he could just as well strengthen his base and incubate a slew of fanatics if the English were to invade Spain despite its neutrality.
Just as the Germans would have to keep Spain on life support in such an event so would the English have to tie down considerable numbers of their troops, home fleet and general war materiel on Spanish shores, they'd also be sure to face a civilian insurrection that'd get more difficult to keep under control the further they'd advanced inland.
Really if Germans stick to defensive running gorilla battles using Spanish sacrifices they could inflict a number of Cretes on the British forces, which may or may not open a window for Unternehmen Seelöwe as Britain is not the US with its infinite Industrial capacity and manpower.
The US could of course decide to help out directly but that would ruin the already battered diplomatic image of the Allies elsewhere, as it'd just be evil kike warmongers ganging up on an innocent neutral country that had the gall to not be free and democratic.

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Gavin Sullivan
Gavin Sullivan

could they have been a reasonable military ally for any party of the war?
Not particularly. I can't see them doing more than defending the coast. At most maybe some garisson duty in occupied France?
It's already been mentioned that Franco was very likely to crash himself with no survivors if he'd willingly entered the war on the Axis side and that Spain would've needed a gorillion resources in order to even approach Italy levels of capability
Had Hitler agreed to his demands, he likely could have survived entering the war without much effort. After all, he'd be getting tons of good clay from France, as well as shitloads of resources from Germany to alleviate the post-war reconstruction. Given that everyone thought Brits were at the brink of defeat, it probably wouldn't be that unpopular a move.
the English have to tie down considerable numbers of their troops, home fleet and general war materiel on Spanish shores
Which is why Brits wouldn't have invaded in the first place. They had enough on their plate already, with the aerial battles and defending Egypt. They wouldn't try to invade Spain since since it's not that important (save for Gibraltar, of course) and because as shit as Spanish army was, it could certainly hold any landing party long enough for Germany to move its forces there and crush the enemy. It's what Franco banked on, essentially – enter a war that seems like it won't involve him too much, and gain enough concessions to make it worth it.

Sadly, Hitler underestimated the brits and found Franco's demands too high, instead choosing not to piss off Frenchies any further (he wanted good relations with post-war France. Of course, that turned out to be a very wrong horse to bet on in the long run).

Michael Watson
Michael Watson

Well fug.
So all that's needed to win against the British would be Spain joining the Axis or transferring their little Maroccan protectorate to Germany?
The disparate power balance between the UK and other European Axis navies could've been alleviated by simply moving all shipbuilding to the mediterranean after securing both Gibraltar and the Suez, with Oil coming from the Mideast and Egypt/Libya.
Seelöwe would've been possible and feasible with rear lines secured and fresh naval replenishments coming from Gibraltar amid a continous strategic bombing campaign wearing down the Brits' ability to adequately maintain their home fleet.
With Britain then gone either by military defeat or some peace treaty the Soviet Union would still be a difficult, but very much beatable enemy since the Axis wouldn't be spread out across multiple theatres fighting multiple enemies at the same time and its industry would be working at full capacity.
Even a Burger declaration of war wouldn't amount to much other than a failed Landing attempt on European shores, not to speak of the Axis naval buildup possibly making such an endeavour more costly than it needs to be.
As time goes on Axis Wunderwaffen would enter service and further deplete the US' chances of success in the European theatre, assuming they'd still want to get involved at that point.

Sadly Nippon would likely get fucked as it did IOTL though and could perhaps present a point of concern, particularly if the Kriegsmarine is retarded and wants to send newly-built carriers to help them out in the Pacific instead of deterring the USN in the Atlantic.

Eli Robinson
Eli Robinson

So all that's needed to win against the British would be Spain joining the Axis or transferring their little Maroccan protectorate to Germany?
He wanted a bit more than just Morocco (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeting_at_Hendaye), but it boiled down to Franco wanting some French colonies + Gibraltar. In hindsight, a small price, but it didn't seem that way at the time, when the war seemed all but won. It's my opinion that if there was a single decision in WW2 that could have changed the war outcome, it was very probably this one.

Tyler Thomas
Tyler Thomas

we live in this obese islamic homosexual time line because Franco didn't get his gibs
smh tbh

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Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

Both of those things were set in stone the moment Japan got bogged down in China
To the best of my understanding, the Army wanted to seize resources Japan needed from the USSR, the Navy wanted to get them from the Dutch East Indies. Getting them from the DEI puts you in a vulnerable spot to be attacked by America, so they had to be knocked out. My point being, if the Army succeeds during the war with the USSR, the need to take the DEI vanishes and thus so does war with America, no?

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

go back in time and hire oil prospectors to find the oil deposits in manchuria instead.

Cameron Morgan
Cameron Morgan

Let your generals fight the war because youre a faggot populist that doesnt know shit about anything other than giving a good speech. Do tgat addie and youll win next time. Well maybe youll get assassinated by a general but you wont be held up as a guilt trip to poz the west into annihilation.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

Prussian nobility didn’t sabatouge the war effort
le Generals meme word for word
Maybe if you were able to spell properly a single person might assume you actually have any knowledge of the war.

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

When you lose faith in abhorrent Canadian shitposting, it won't take long before that faith in the bottomless pit of awfulness is truly restored. Thank you for your hard work.

Wyatt Morris
Wyatt Morris

le based Moscow frontal assault
Hortler didnt have anything to do with operations in France
le based Abwehr, true nationalists xd
This is why muttposting exists, mutt.

Alexander Murphy
Alexander Murphy

To the best of my understanding, the Army wanted to seize resources Japan needed from the USSR, the Navy wanted to get them from the Dutch East Indies.
that was the long term plan, yes
Getting them from the DEI puts you in a vulnerable spot to be attacked by America, so they had to be knocked out.
No, the reason for Pearl Harbor was that war with USA seemed inevitable should Japan war more places (especially Dutch East Indies or Brits), US rhetoric made it pretty clear (think current relationship US has with Iran, and now imagine Iran would, for example, declare war on Iraq. US intervention would be practically guaranteed). So Japan went for a preventive strike, anticipating US declaration of war.
if the Army succeeds during the war with the USSR, the need to take the DEI vanishes and thus so does war with America, no?
But getting resources from Siberia is a long term thing. They'd need to build the infrastructure and everything to actually be able to get oil from there, something they just didn't have the time for while at war with China. Should they have attacked USSR before warring China (before 1937), it is pretty much guaranteed they'd just get stomped. USSR army was superior to Japanese, and they'd be on the defense – Japan's only hope to beat USSR would be if it attacked during Barbarossa, but by then they were bogged down in China.

David Cook
David Cook

Really the biggest traitors were the faggots who decided that having 6 million meme projects running simultaneously with devs and engineers getting split and reassigned on a whim because the Kriegsmarine, Udet, Göring, Junkers etc. complained.
DEI
Couldn't the Reich have just handed the Dutch East Indies over to the Japanese first thing after capturing the Netherlands or would the Allies not have recognized any such territorial transfers, even with the Dutch government-in-exile not being fully established?

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

be el goblino
make post that has no valid claims and doesn’t even reference a single battle/plan/offensive
further make said post while being too lazy to add proper punctuation
get called a retard
sperg out and put in oxygen hoses so you don’t suffocate since your body already struggles to function at rest
type out reply about how awful Canadian posting is and how your wretched low quality post wasn’t replied to with any quality
lean back in your chair as the back moans under the immensity of the force it is trying to withhold
smile in satisfaction as you order a pizza while your heart pains in protest to the prospect of even another gram of cholesterol lining your veins
down your pills with a small bottle of pop to drown out the pain and look out your window at the concrete boxes dotting the image of the setting sun and feel immense pride in your nation, and the effort you placed into your post as one of the veins of your quadruple bypass catch a particle of cholesterol and creates another blockage while you drift into blackness with your city as the sun sets

No, the reason for Pearl Harbor was that war with USA seemed inevitable should Japan war more places
I’ve mentioned it in nearly every WWII thread with decent discussion about Japan but Harry White of the tribe manipulated the US demands to Japan which called for the complete withdrawal in China which considered Manchuria to be a part of China. At the time, Japanese withdrawal would have ruined the country economically so they refused, as they also had gained Manchuria in a different war and the Western Powers had no issue cutting up China a few decades earlier. For Japan to accept that demand would have meant a nationwide depression and reliance on some other nation for more resources than they already did. Also White was soviet spy so it would make sense he had sent the demands to force the Japanese into a war with America to entirely destroy any hope of the IJA attacking the USSR. Further he was quite good friends with Morgenthau (the tribesman who created a selfnamed plan to destroy Germany and the Germans, which FDR had read and supposedly had personal support for). I remember someone saying the US had intentionally stalled and drug out negotiations with Japan for quite some time, though I don’t know if that was independent provocation from White’s plan.
but by then they were bogged down in China.
What would the chances be for a Nationalist China and Japanese alliance to fight against Mao’s communists and the USSR be? I have no knowledge of the relationship between Chiang-Kai Shek and Japan at the time, though someone in this thread had mentioned he offered to recognize Japanese Manchuria. Would concessions be needed from Shek or would Japanese conquest of Mongolia and Siberia be enough to placate them and leave any further action in China alone? If a Nationalist China joined the Coprosperity Sphere would they help attack the Brits to regain Hong Kong?

or would the Allies not have recognized any such territorial transfers
At that point I find it hard to see the allies recognizing any German diplomacy let alone more map redrawing.

Noah Lopez
Noah Lopez

Nationalist China allying with Japan
While it sounds nice insofar as Japan wouldn't have to bog itself down when not at war with the Allies, China was still in a rather absolute state as far as "great" powers went at the time.
They wouldn't have been able to do much against Reds other than send hordes of peasants to their death and would probably have demanded a great deal of Industrial goods from the mentally and physically superior Nipponese, but a war with China and Japan would also bog down the Soviets on a fuckhueg front in the far east which is something they might not want to readily afford what with Germans crashing everything on the way to Moscow.
Still a meme tier idea considering that Nips took removal of China as an Empire very seriously and that the Nationalist Chink Government was full of Commie traitors who at one point even kidnapped Chiang Kai-Shek because he didn't want to enact armament plans for war against the Japanese.
It might be possible if Nips never seized Manchuria in the first place and would promise Hong Kong and other western-occupied Areas of China to Chiang if he buddied up with them, perhaps some territory in Mongolia following a theoretical Soviet defeat would also help.

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

What should be done is a ceasefire between the national chinks and Japan, so that the chinks can focus on Mao and Japan can focus on the USSR.

Nathaniel Brown
Nathaniel Brown

ceasefire between the national chinks and Japan
That would just get Chiang-kai Shek disappeared under mysterious circumstances, with some goytoy twink commie puppet taking his place and continuing the war against the filthy imperialist j*panese rape empire.

Alexander Carter
Alexander Carter

How about just don't ally with Japan and don't provoke Russia? Japan would have still gone after the US, but the US wouldn't have ended up giving a shit about Europe. Germany also had a non-aggression pact with the USSR that they violated when they invaded. I get that they did it for oil but they could have just concentrated more on the middle east, seems easier than taking on a major power.

Not saying this with any authority on the matter though, I'm curious what a real historian would make of it.

Dylan Garcia
Dylan Garcia

No, Hitler was an incel like you before he got into power and begun to swim in pussy.
Stop forcing that meme, no incel develops great social skills.

Easton James
Easton James

Germany also had a non-aggression pact with the USSR
And before that they had a pact about not allying with Soviets/Comintern at all

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

Couldn't the Reich have just handed the Dutch East Indies over to the Japanese first thing after capturing the Netherlands
Dutch government fled into exile, thus Dutch East Indies were sort of still at war with Germany. The Reich couldn't give things that it did not have.
What would the chances be for a Nationalist China and Japanese alliance to fight against Mao’s communists and the USSR be?
Very slim. Japan had been bullying China for a good while, China was incredibly asspained over Manchuria, especially with Pu Yi insisting he is the rightful ruler of all China, Japs hated Chinks far more than soviets (as did chinks hate nips) and Nat. China didn't really have much of a reason to do so. It could squash Mao on its own, had the war not happened, and while they would theoretically be interested in grabbing mongolia and tannu tuva, neither is really important, especially when there were much more pressing concerns of warlord states. On the other hand, they had a a ton of reasons to be pissy with Japan.
How about just don't ally with Japan and don't provoke Russia?
Well, it's a big question what would have happened in this case. Some claim that USSR would just militarize further and unfuck its command, and then invade Germany with considerably better troops than they had in 1941. Others say that is not the case and that had hitler just taken out Brits and fortified the eastern border, nothing would have happened. Difficult to predict exactly what would have happened.

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

Ah thanks, I figured it was getting into sperg aut-history territory, both as I said I’m rather ignorant of Japanese Chinese relations of the 20-30’s as well as China in general during that time. Any good book recommendations?

Japan would have still gone after the US, but the US wouldn't have ended up giving a shit about Europe.
Well seeing as the US had already been supplying any-and-everyone who said a single bad word about Hitler, as well as declaring basically all of the Western European coast American water interests and attacking German shipping well before war was declared as well as sending expeditionary forces and advisors, it should be offensively obvious the U.S.A. wasn’t not going to get involved in an official widespread capacity.
Germany also had a non-aggression pact with the USSR that they violated when they invaded.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed after the anti-Comintern pact. It was more of a safeguard for Hitler than an actual non-agression pact. Remember: the Bolsheviks and communists were Hitler’s greatest enemy. He wanted to wipe out Jewish communism more than democracy, as far as I understand Hitler didn’t care that the other Euro nation’s were democracy, he just saw it as a weak system of stagnation and corruption and felt it wasn’t in the German character to be under such a system. The non-aggression pact, and to a greater extent the redrawing of the Baltics and Eastern Europe, was more of a safeguard to prevent the allies from opposing Hitler’s claims in Poland as they would have to declare war on both the soviets and the Reich of they wanted to uphold national sovereignty. Of course we know that wasn’t an actual goal of the allies and Stalin’s sudden ‘disorganization’, requiring more weeks to prepare for an invasion of eastern Poland, once the Germans were already ready to launch their offensive really skewed his hope that he could at least plead a case of allied hypocrisy if the soviets followed through and invaded simultaneously. It was never intended, by either party, to be an actual non-aggression pact, in any form expect officially.
seems easier than taking on a major power.
Hindsight is 20/20. Not a single nation felt the Soviets were a “major power” until after WWII. It’s been said to death, but the soviets failed to beat the Freikorps in the Baltics in the late 10’s without getting British and French help both in aid and direct military help, and even then the underequipped and politically abandoned Freikorps managed to mostly hold their own. The soviets then failed to defeat Poland (who the Germans had beaten in the an unofficial capacity again directly supplied and supported by the French and English during the upper Silesian uprisings) in the 20’s and then further hadn’t been able to beat the Finns who basically had no airforce or armoured divisions and were obscenely undersupplied while also having recently purged the officer corp and appointed political loyalists in their place. When you look at it from the perspective of the 30’s and 40’s the soviets had basically failed to defeat any serious resistance, had little experienced leadership, had lost to the Poles who the Germans crushed, had lost to the Kaiserreich who hadn’t defeated France who had just lost in ~6 weeks to the 3rd Reich while boasting the most powerful army on the planet at the time. Not to mentioned both British and American intelligence gave the soviets a year at the best, more likely only months to withstand a German invasion. They were not a major power until after the War, to claim that Germany (or anyone) knew of soviet potential to deplete German lead stores while simultaneously building a meat wall is nothing but hindsight.

Hitler was a volcel chad, look at the videos of women screening and crying over just getting a look at his immaculate moustache and hair, while he just looks on without interest past the Stacy hoards. Moist holes didn’t concern him unless attached to pure qt waifus who would love him unconditionally and move to Argentina with die for him.

Jordan Barnes
Jordan Barnes

Japs hated Chinks far more than soviets (as did chinks hate nips)
Ah I forgot about Asian hatred for every other type of Asian. Do you know anything about Japanese occupation zones? We’re locals complicit and indifferent from Colonial rule? I know they were allowed a degree of self rule and autonomy under the Nipponese Empire but did any occupied areas commit to the Japanese war or resist to any mentionable degree?

double post sage

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

Do you know anything about Japanese occupation zones? We’re locals complicit and indifferent from Colonial rule?
Depends on which zones you have in mind. Colonial subjects tended to be cautiously optimistic about Japan invading, hoping they'd get independence, but when Nips just announced they're the new colonial governor (and, allegedly, performed warcrimes and labour camps etc.), it just pissed them even more. That being said, they didn't do much about it. Chinks, on the other hand, really hated Japs, despite attempts by Japan at mollifying them through a puppet state.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

Lesson for next time:
Don't start a world war by getting greedy with land.

Colton Murphy
Colton Murphy

Stalin moved tons of troops to the west once he was sure that the gooks wouldn't attack him from Manchuko.
No he didn't, what he did was raise the population and organize fresh units from there and ship them west as there was no need for a reserve in the East, but the garrison stayed the same with largely no changes in size and equipment from 1937 to 1944-45 (when they repatriated all those units and used them to invade Manchuko) which gives a false impression of sending the "eastern troops" when it's really the "eastern reserves", that were assembled, got the fresh gear out of the trans-uralic factories and got shipped west.
But the amount of troops present in the Eastern part of Russia did NOT really change from the probing attacks of the Japanese early in the war (of which the soviets were really worried) to spring 1945 (were it swelled).
Losing Vladivostok wouldn't be a huge blow, but it would still reduce the amount of lend-lease the soviet kikes got from their western brothers.
Well duh. And capturing Murmansk would have been 10 times better.
But then if germans were smart instead of autistic we wouldn't be calling you germans.
The reality is that neither Hitler nor the OKW ever came up with a strategy to win the war.
Even something basic as cutting off major supply lines didn't occur to them.
The Japanese could have walked into Vladivostok anytime.
The Finns try to urge the Germans to mount an actual offensive toward Murmansk (that was barely defended, especially the railway going out of Murmansk was a few kilometers from the finns lines).
But nope let's build an entire submarine fleet, entire gigantic submarine pens to host said submarines, to try to slightly slow the flow supplies going into those two (and basically only) ports.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

murmansk
wouldn't USSR just use Arkhangelsk instead if Murmansk got taken?

Luis Collins
Luis Collins

Arkhangelsk is frozen most of the year. Murmansk isn't.

Nolan Robinson
Nolan Robinson

involved in an official widespread capacity
True, but how supportive was the American public of the Allies before pearl harbor? What if Germany sided with China instead of Japan and declared war on them? Not that they'd do much in terms of engaging on the pacific front other than supplying China, but it would give the "enemy of my enemy" excuse to American isolationists.

Austin Hernandez
Austin Hernandez

Germany obsession with Archangelsk comes from the fact that most of their intel on Russia was pre-WWI knowledge.
Murmansk was a new city built during WWI and basically immediately supplanted most of the Archangelsk traffic in a few years. Of course the arctic convoys ships went all the way to Archangelsk because from there they could ship anywhere via river barges, so it's listed as their "terminus" (escorts typically stopped near Murmansk and ships dispersed to various ports) but the bigger parts of the supplies were always Murmansk.
That's how unprepared to invade Russia Germany was… they didn't even know which city was the major northern port.
Cut Murmansk and Vladivostok and maybe 1/3 of the lend-lease supplies would make it (1/4 from Astrakhan and maybe 10% from Archangelsk).

Tyler Allen
Tyler Allen

Franco closes off Gibraltar in Summer of 1940 by accepting a 20-year German lease on the Spanish Moroccon protectorate in exchange for their debts from the civil war being wiped
Germans begin the Battle of Britain by autistically bombing anything that resembles a radar tower day and night
they also start a hueg offensive with Italy towards the Suez canal and the greater mideast
Rommel reaches the Suez canal half a year later, Royal Navy cucked out of the Med completely
Arab revolts in Palestine and elsewhere crash the Anglo mideastern colonial empire faster than anticipated, by April of 1941 the Reich stretches all the way to Basra
By this point the RAF no longer has any radars operational in southeastern England and is deteriorating rapidly with manpower shortages and Stukas fucking up infrastructure at will
counteroffensives are costly as hell due to the channel swarming with german hunter-killer squadrons and most Spitfires being allocated for interception duties
an invasion of Spain is considered multiple times but shelved in order to preserve naval superiority near the homeland, as increasing Italo-german submarine raids and the deployment of Axis aircraft carriers are occupying the attention of the Royal Navy
Instead, a landing at Morocco is put into practice with the intent of counter-blockading Gibraltar
Bongs land and move towards the german protectorate, with Spanish troops not putting up too much of a fight
there they are met with Rommel's main forces and two Italian aircraft carrier conversions
rather than defeating the landed Anglos Rommel keeps conceding small amounts of territory while inflicting catastrophic casualties in return 80 years later users of obscure Image bulletin boards claim that not getting out of Morocco right away set the stage for the fall of the UK
meanwhile the bulk of the home fleet now also comprising most of the South Atlantic and Western Atlantic fleets, who've been cut down to meme levels so as to shore up defenses at home following the loss of the med fleet mobilizes towards the Atlantic to deal with the gradually multiplying Axis aircraft carriers who've been eating into British supply convoys like mad
they manage to sink one and cripple the other back to the med, but then the Kriegsmarine is seen heading towards Scotland from Norway
the smaller North sea RN fleet intercepts the detachment
they encounter a few outdated cruisers and some destroyers carrying landing craft dummies
while the RN is busy up north Unternehmen Seelöwe starts for real in the channel strait
25 divisions worth of landing craft set sail for the cliffs of Dover, escorted by hordes of Luftwaffe planes
the RN Home/Atlantic fleet is still returning home from dealing with the Italians as the North sea fleet mobilizes only to encounter the Graf Zeppelin aircraft carrier, which had been thought to still be undergoing an autistic refit in some baltic german port
the Graf Zeppelin launches fucking everything to protect the german landing fleet, including the Hs 117 MCLOS SAM
its aircraft manage to sink and/or remove the combat capability of some 14 RN vessels including the HMS Invincible in a heroic feat of autism before the Graf Zeppelin runs into a torpedo and dies
the crippled Northern RN fleet eventually reaches the channel strait but by that point the city of Dover and nearby airfields have already fallen into german hands
german rotorcraft are constantly dropping off supplies at those airfields to get the cratered runways up and running
the Anglo home troops fight honourably but they've suffered too many losses to german strategic bombing, the RAF has no presence over the channel strait and rear line transport infrastructure is a mess so they can't drive off the high morale german troops, at least the civilians have been evacuated farther north where the food supply is more secure
the remainder of the Northern fleet is sunk completely by Fritz X glide bombs as the Atlantic fleet finally returns to port from their engagement with the Italians
Me 264 formations bombard Plymouth harbor as Hastings and Gillingham fall and Britain's supply issues worsen, with the UK being entirely dependent on American supplies they can't even adequately deliver to the front lines
A desperate Royal Navy starts to recall several fleet detachments from India as germans reach the fiercely defended outskirts of London
RN ships are stuck in port without adequate fuel supplies because the railway network is fugged, the RAF a shadow of its former self and the army taking it in the ass all around while those goddamn pastaniggers keep shitting small escort carriers out of the med some of which are actually converted out of Royal Navy ships seized during the capture of Cyprus to further insult the Anglo
rate my althist greentexting.

Jonathan Ross
Jonathan Ross

rate my althist greentexting.
retarded, autistic, and remarkably pro-Soviet. If you prefer to think of it as 'very German' then that means basically the same thing.

Jayden Martin
Jayden Martin

Don't see where it's pro-Soviet, m8.

I think he's tackling the right and present danger, without Britain helping, the germans can consolidate western Europe.

The Soviet can kvetch in Russia but that's literally all they can do.

A war where they literally invade Eastern Europe and THEN Western Europe would be literally too much for them, especially if Japan is posit behind their back.

Grayson Bennett
Grayson Bennett

It's not so much pro-Soviet as just plain germ- retarded.
Once they backstabbed the french navy the british navy had total supremacy in the Mediterranean thus they were happily sinking Italian and German supplies struggling to reach North Africa very small ports.
Rommel REFUSED additional troops because he was struggling supplying what he had but even long before that Italy was basically out of fuel making it barely possible for their navy to do anything but hide in the Adriatic or the Taranto Gulf.
The only reason there even still was fighting in 1941-1942 in the Mediterranean is pure dumb luck. British Force K (and some Italian ships… pure dumb luck) got caught into a into a drifting minefield and spent a year in repairs, meanwhile the Italians managed (basically the same day) to sink two battleship in a frogmen raid.
That left the middle Mediterranean virtually empty of British for a bit under a year.
Now of course the Axis could never exploit that… because they didn't have the fuel for the Italian Navy to actually do something important like leveling Gibraltar or raiding Alexandria, all they could do was supply North Africa largely unhindered.

Also the idea of Spain capturing Gibraltar is ridiculous.
Even today I'm betting on Gibraltarian police VS Spanish Leo2.
Spain spent 3 years fighting antifa level of retards.

Cooper White
Cooper White

I take the Italians didn't use coal in their ships then. But I thought ships back then were deliberately using barely refined oil that was cheap and useless in internal combustion engines. They couldn't supply their navy with shitty bunker oil?

Kevin Barnes
Kevin Barnes

They imported most of their coal too… from Germany of course. Except there is a gigamountain chain in between them called the alps.
So how did the German coal used to go to Italy?

By ships…

Italy was woefully unprepared for war despite clamoring for it for 20 years.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

So how did the German coal used to go to Italy?
by ships
Really? Austria was also part of the Reich and there is a land border between Austria and Italy, surely there must have been a railway line somewhere to Italy, surely.

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

Italy was woefully unprepared for war despite clamoring for it for 20 years.
How is it that Mussolini and the Italians accomplished so little in the interwar period?

double post sage

Joseph Evans
Joseph Evans

Seeing as the pastaniggers annexed Südtirol just 20 years earlier I’d imagine there would still have been infrastructure linking that region to Austria proper or Salzburg.

I think a big issue was that they modernized their army in the early 20’s and lacked the industrial capacity to do any sudden large scale manufacturing, whereas Germany modernized their army right before and leading into the war, with their tanks and mechanized divisions even being quite lacking during the invasion of France.

Chase Bell
Chase Bell

This is why you lost the war and Russia raped half your women.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

Seeing as the pastaniggers annexed Südtirol just 20 years earlier I’d imagine there would still have been infrastructure linking that region to Austria proper or Salzburg.
Yes and no.
That's how they were able to annex half of Tyrol… during WWI, no reinforcements could be send there easily so the Italians advanced fairly quickly (and got stopped when reaching critical passes).
There was a few railways and roads but they were completely inadequate, of course both sides quickly tried to upgraded it but it was nowhere near enough, meaning even with rationing Italy was getting maybe 1/10th of their pre-war fuel and 1/5 of their pre-war coal (they actually engaged into accounting schemes to make it look as if they had even less than what they had to force Germany to send more).
How is it that Mussolini and the Italians accomplished so little in the interwar period?
Italy is a lazy Japan. They have essentially no energy resources and shitty oil from Albania was the best they could think about. That's for the structural issue.

Then you have to understand that Italians are furiously incompetent when it comes to warfare, I mean Italy remains the only European "power" that was beaten in a war by spear chugging niggers (and their "modern army", almost lost a second time with a retarded 2/3 casualties ratio italians/nogs).
Their attempt at taking Nice in France (started only as the french had clearly lost against Germany and there was virtually no troops there) was stopped by literally 9 guys.

Luis Bailey
Luis Bailey

Don't see where it's pro-Soviet
while he's faffing about with inefficient and unreliable wunderwaffe and conducting a campaign that would only work 1 time for every 100'000 times you tried it the Soviets just sent another thousand T-34's and a quarter of a million unwashed Gopniks to the border preparing for their push west. I'm interested that ITT nobody explored the idea of Germany even trying to bring Britain and France (maybe the US as well eventually) into a joint invasion of the USSR.

Noah White
Noah White

I'm interested that ITT nobody explored the idea of Germany even trying to bring Britain and France (maybe the US as well eventually) into a joint invasion of the USSR.
They tried, but the frogs and bongs kept on behaving like women (ignoring the question instead of just saying no).

Brody Myers
Brody Myers

France can support manpower and supply, Brit can blockade some western USSR ports, but the biggest player in an USSR invasion is Germany and Japan.

If you can get that pincer movement in gear, USSR is finished.

Brayden Brooks
Brayden Brooks

The German push failed for logistical reasons and retard tier intel and planning going in. With the British and French empires working together with Germany the industrial & resource problems disappear, you'd also get massive logistical support to both fronts as well. The manpower boost you'd get to the invasion would be colossal as well, and with a joint command structure you have other (less retarded) intelligence at the table, and the ability to shoot down Hitlers dumber plans. The only thing it wouldn't fix is the winter and the mud, which would be a huge factor even with everything else you add with the new allies. To deal with that you'd probably need several years, maybe a decade or more, to bring all combatants armed forces up to spec in terms of engineering, equipment, and the mens capabilities. I'm not sure if that's practical, but without it the Soviet-war would be a long, bloody, campaign that would probably rank up with WWI in terms of casualties and cost.

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

Which is why I favor the pincer movement.

The things with the russians is that EVERY wars against a superior force, they retreat East to nurture the wounds then wait then consolidate and re-attack. The poles in the 17-18th century, the swedes, Napoleon, Hitler…

If you have both forces attacking both the east and west, which deny the facility, manpower and resources for the Soviet, it's over.

William Russell
William Russell

I don't know frog, with the speed of the Germans in 41, with superior logistics and resources provided by the UK and Britain, others and no lend lease, it would be over quickly.
You'd almost call it… NATO.
I think this goes for the modern age as well. Without foreign imports to fuel themself they're done.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_grain_robbery

Luis Garcia
Luis Garcia

Thanks, mutt. At least those dead heroes did witness your subhuman grandaddies got sent to hell while their children were brought to breed with niggers at gunpoint. All from heaven.

Levi Cooper
Levi Cooper

Woops, UK and France*

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

Well, anyone who plays Heart of Iron know that it's ridiculously easy as long as you do it properly, so yeah.

inb4 it's a game, doofus

Benjamin Johnson
Benjamin Johnson

If Ghandi overthrew the British colonial administration, joined the Axis and went to war with Communist Party of China would it have changed anything?

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

No, because Ghandi was a literal street shitter who thought India needed to get rid of all western technology and industry and go back to living in mud hut villages. Besides he was a pacifist so he wouldn’t overthrow anything.

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

. Besides he was a pacifist
He was a jew pacifist espousing
it's not violence/rape when we do it :^) also go lie in the train tracks to abuse the fact anglo will stop instead of turning you into paste

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

What would happen to the British colonial empire anyway should the UK itself fall?
Would the US just annex everything through some free British puppet government?

Julian Roberts
Julian Roberts

nobody explored the idea of Germany even trying to bring Britain and France (maybe the US as well eventually) into a joint invasion of the USSR.
Because it's nonsense. France was socialist as hell between the wars, Brits were massively more interested in containing Germany than fighting communism, and USA wasn't going to break its isolationism over something that essentially didn't concern them at the time. Besides that, none of those countries wanted a war - it's why Hitler got away with taking Austria, Bohemia, and Memel and why he could wipe his ass with the Versailles treaty.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

There was a window to act morally superior with France and turn the whole thing 180°.
Blame the British for everything, the defeat which can be explained by the British commander running away against orders + the Belgian king refusing to have a proper integrated command before the war, then surrendering alone + the Dunkirk thing where British soldiers did open fire on french soldiers + the British attack against the french fleet.
Partition Belgium and give France the french speaking area (and a secret accord to do the same with Switzerland, including giving the italian+romansche speaking part to Italy to placate them).
Show that Germany wouldn't do what was done to it, was magnanimous and blame the "Versailles diktat" entirely on the British (((bankers))).

At the very least this would have set France to be "neutral/friendly" like Sweden or Spain allowing the colossal french industry and colonies to supply Germany and Japan (French were never hostile to Japan, actually tried to keep them in the previous French/British/Japanese Asiatic alliance that lasted up the mid 1920's).
And if UK tried to snag the french colonies (which they definitely would have), the french wouldn't had any other response than declaring war to UK.

Instead, the Germans decided to enslave most of the french POWs and youths and occupy half of France. Robbing them of manpower (someone had to do the occupation), workforce (as slavery productivity is always terribly low), imports (as most french where prisoners or STO, french industry was virtually wipe-out), fighting power, etc… and of course fostering unrest at all levels (even within Vichy high circles people were scheming to discretely rearm and stockpile supplies with the goal to revolt).

Also french socialists hatred for commies isn't anything new, France is the home of non-Marxist socialism (which back in the days was called "republicanism" or "radicalism". It's largely dead today but it wasn't back then).
All socialists voted for Petain exceptional powers.

So yeah finding a way to keep defeated France whole, even just as a neutral party would have been considerably smarter strategically, at the very least it would have helped with a considerable amount of macro-logistical issues. While at best France could have easily sent two or three army groups to fight the commies while the German expedition + colonial french troops + Italian colonial troops in Africa would have had no problem defeating the British.
Hell Italians + French had the numbers to defend east Africa and thus blockading the red sea.

But of course since their only goal in life was NOT to fight the commies but to humiliate France this is science-fiction.

Luke Roberts
Luke Roberts

Partitioning Switzerland
I don't think that would've gone well for either party.

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

I knew you couldn't drink the water in France, but I didn't know they spiked it with LSD.

That must be the most delusional post I have ever read. Congratulations.
None of what you said makes any sense.

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Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

implying anything makes sense anymore in clownworld
implying the answer isn't to go into a 'nam-era drug binge, flip the fuck out, and shoot everything around you except this time everyone flips out

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

You'd almost call it… NATO
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As part of our deal with the US for lend/lease Churchill gave them military bases in most colonies. He thought that this was the ultimate safeguard against what looked like Britains inevitable destruction - that way rather than the Axis quietly annexing The Empire it would have become a series of US protectorates (remember that the US was, at least in theory, a neutral power at this time). If Britain had fallen it's likely that there would have been a government in exile set up in Canada (furthest place away from the combat) and that the colonies that didn't recognise that government would have become America's property.

Pretty sure that clown world is a relatively recent phenomenon. This might just be me, but the world still made some kind of sense in the '40s.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

They didn't have to do it. Just say "if we take over Switzerland, that's what we will do".
I clearly stated that this is science fiction. Germans are just a bunch of repressed, bitter autistic children that can never admit that the reason why they always lose is precisely because that's what they are.

They never cared about fighting communists, THEY ALLIED WITH THEM.
Strategic plans for fighting started and stopped with the invasion of France and Poland, that had "stolen" German lands and should be "punished" for their sin against Great Germany.

Yeah but what about England? You know the scariest superpower of the three you want to wage war upon?
<It's gonna bow in awe of the might of Germany.

That right there was the whole plan for the 1939 war upon the "empire where the sun never sets".

What about the US? Or Russia? You know the two countries that almost systemically sided with the french? Can we really trust Stalin not to attack us right at the worse moment? Or that the US won't find an excuse to intervene exactly like last time?
<*Cricket noises*

That's the german "genius" in WWII ladies and gentlemen. Complete and utter lack of vision due to bitterness and fit of autistic screech.

Jaxon Ward
Jaxon Ward

He thought that this was the ultimate safeguard against what looked like Britains inevitable destruction
Tbh if Britain fell, Hitler could simply ignore the rest of allies entirely. They couldn't do shit to Germany since they'd be too far, the colonies had little industrial power, and if left alone long enough, the colonies would probably explode with separatist movements, as their overlord would be reduced to a shell of its power. That's not to mention british troops wouldn't be exactly in high spirits and would likely clamour for some peace settlement so that they could go back to England instead of shitting themselves to death in Sudan or wherever. The whole "we will keep on fighting even if we lose Britain" was just posturing and propaganda – brits wouldn't have been able to keep fighting if they lost it and all Hitler would need to do is sit and wait.

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

<put niggers in Europe first and completely humiliated entire people
<massive back breaking demands that you were so happy about
<they put you back in your place as nigger breeders
Da Germans started the cycle of hate :(
Whats up, Ali?
But I think you might be a mutt larping in a French flag, consider how muttmerica has been put down the toilet here this year.

Aaron Perez
Aaron Perez

Tbh if Britain fell, Hitler could simply ignore the rest of allies entirely. They couldn't do shit to Germany since they'd be too far, the colonies had little industrial power, and if left alone long enough, the colonies would probably explode with separatist movements, as their overlord would be reduced to a shell of its power.
<what is the US propping up an Anglo government in exile
<what is the US Navy sending humanitarian naval forces as a polite gesture to those poor suffering Brits in various colonies, it's not like their ports would be attractive from a military standpoint in any way :^)
<what is the US' industrial output
Froganon are you a baka?
Cutting up Swiss territory for the lols would just result in another Greece but in the Alps this time for no reason whatsoever.

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Christian Flores
Christian Flores

The Japs didn't need to go to war with the Soviets to make a difference. All they needed to do was militarize the Manchukuo-Soviet border and entrench. The Kwatung Army stationed in the country was in the millions. The first German stall outside of Moscow was only pushed back and stabilized after the Japanese-Soviet non-aggression pact signed shortly before Zhukov's armies were moved west-wards. Had the Japanese simply showed force in the region it would delay, hinder or stop the massive movements of Soviet arms west. It would be a gamble, sure, but the Soviet Army of 1939 was not the Soviet Army that overran Manchukuo in 1945. The gamble would have paid off either way, as if the Soviets didn't move, the Germans would have a much easier time and potentially be able to capture Moscow, splitting the logistical web of the USSR in half, and had the Soviets began moving the Japanese would have had basically free reign over an invasion plus justification for invading (as they were signatories of the Anti-Comintern Pact). Had the Soviets hit the Japanese positions then you'd have a pretty epic war but one the Japanese could have potentially held out long enough for Soviet surrender or pulling out after Moscow fell and SHTF mode engaged. Had the Soviets only pulled out a portion of the troops then the Japanese could have declared war and have a fairly easy time defending Manchukuo, but even if they did not the Germans would have had a much easier time in the west.

Blake Sanchez
Blake Sanchez

Says that germans are autistic screeching children.
Screech autisticly like a child to disprove it.
Thank you.
Except there was no plans for Britain "to fall". There was a vague idea that if you could bomb them and sink their ships with subs maybe they would call for a ceasefire… which isn't an actual plan.
Except if you're not an autistic child you stop and think for 2 seconds and wonder what happens next?
You look at British history and what happened last time someone united continental Europe.
And realize that defeat NEVER STOPPED BRITAIN, every single time they sued for peace they SYSTEMATICALLY declared war again once they had enough preparation/more favorable conditions.
Until they won.

So even if by some magical event Britain had asked for a white peace (which was what the Germans were offering), they would have declared war to Germany again within a couple of years. Right after Pearl Harbor and Stalingrad.
The British fleets would have had plenty of time to repair and modernize, the new equipment production to compensate the loss at Dunkirk would have been compensated, etc…
Hell without having to suffer constant German attacks distracting the fleets and airforces they would have wiped any possibly for the Italians and especially the Japanese to threatens their colonies.
If anything a pause of two years in the war would have guaranteed the Commonwealth would only have come back considerably stronger.

That's how you can tell it's completely autistic.
Even if it worked on paper, in the world with real humans in it, it wouldn't have worked.

Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

This is all I was saying. All it takes is for the japs to divert the attention of the Soviet and prevent the re-mobilization of Zhukov back to the West.

The Czech was saying Japan was committed to China thus they can't do shit, that's fucking wrong since the kwantung army sits on their ass since 1939 to 1945 without doing jackshit.

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

So it looks like the extermination of anglos was the only real answer after all.
and keeping french faggots in the pen

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

Provided Britain actually does surrender, and Germany moves in to occupy Britain the same way they occupy France.

What happens?

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

No the real answer was taking half of Poland, which roughly restored Germany to it's historical size, secure Scandinavia which made Germany the biggest and bestest country of Europe with plenty of resources (while importing oil and rubber via the neutral Netherlands) and sue France and UK (that were completely incapable of attacking) for peace.

That would have meant either UK and France had to attack Germany (and be completely crushed on the siegfried line due to force disparity and as Belgium and the Netherlands were insisting in staying neutral) which would have made fall their governments or them signing a peace treaty after having declared war for Poland and just sit on their asses (so a complete humiliation), which would have been guarantee to make fall their governments too.

And given the political currents you would have had either pro-german taking power or civil wars with commies.
And THEN you made a very large anti-communist pact.

But yeah having an actual plan to make sure Britain was hurt enough to not come back to bite you in the ass instead of wishful thinking would also have been an option.

Chase Butler
Chase Butler

I PRAY IN THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH THE POWER OF JESUS ALL EVIL ENTITIES, SERVERS, SCRIPT, CODE, AI, ARCHONS, HEX, STANS, DEMONS, SPIRITS, PORTALS, GATEWAYS, WORMHOLES, LOOKING GLASS, SPELLS, MANIFESTING WILL BE DESTROYED………

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

try to wipe Germany off the map after WWII
humiliate and destroy the nation with demands even the *nglos considered extreme
be extremely hostile to Germany after
rape and plunder your way through the Rheinland with your baste nigger and Arab slaves
help Bolsheviks to slaughter Baltic Germans (Brits did too)
help poles with upper Silesia uprisings to kill more Germans
support Bavarian separatism want to divide up the country
kevetch when Germany elects a nationalist leader who doesn’t follow your retarded treaty
kevetch when Germany takes back control of its industrial powerhouse and threaten war for occupying its own land
whine when two German countries agree to unify
Oy vey, why didn’t the Germans ally with us? We wanted to be friends!

Cooper Peterson
Cooper Peterson

How is Germany, a land power, going to do that to Britain, an island with the biggest fleet on the planet?
What possible reason they would have to sign an unconditional surrender?
Nukes is what it took for Japan, it wouldn't take less for Britain.

Besides WMD, invasion is the only way. Which means you need to get rid of their fleet first. Which was an option for the US (that was vomiting ships faster than the nips could sink them)… but for Germany???

Tyler Martin
Tyler Martin

What possible reason they would have to sign an unconditional surrender?
Is it possible to use the army at Dunkirk and use them as emotional hostages?

If you don't unconditionally surrender, we will kill them?

I don't think the brit population is that insane to see their soldiers/children getting killed for nothing.

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

Look at me I'm projecting.
You would have an argument if it wasn't Germany that always come crying every time they're defeated by picking on people that ARE stronger than them.
B-but there are several of you REEEE.
Well if you weren't a total sperg maybe you would have friends.

Logan Cruz
Logan Cruz

Also, Trojan horse.

The german army will escort the brit army at dunkirk home.

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

Is it possible to use the army at Dunkirk and use them as emotional hostages?
No British soldiers were professionals.
And they weren't caught at Dunkirk why? because even from a small harbor the massive British fleet could still secure a small patch of land for a time to evacuate it's soldiers and barrage anything coming too close.

It's a catch 21.

Ryder Taylor
Ryder Taylor

I still don't think offshore bombardment can stop a combined arms land attack.

Just literal smash in and capture them all, the brits were sitting ducks in Dunkirk, letting them leave is a massive waste of resources.

Mason Foster
Mason Foster

Lessons for next time?
get rid of mentally ill leaders

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

You would have an argument if it wasn't Germany that always come crying every time they're defeated by picking on people that ARE stronger than them.
That’s not even remotely what I was getting at, learn to reading comprehension frog. I was stating that French antagonism towards Germany and Germans after the war really didn’t indicate that you would have accepted any alliance as you said they would readily do. I was merely pointing out your transgressions against Germany that would further prevent any alliance since you seemed quite happy to fuck them over because you got so butthurt by Friedrich the Great’s individual peace treaties and 1970-71.
Well if you weren't a total sperg maybe you would have friends.
Again completely irrelevant to what I was stating, yet more Euro countries were allied or friendly to the Third Reich than to your globohomo-lite alliance. Most of the countries that joined you only did so because they were invaded and not because they had a prior preference to the A*glo-F*ench nigger Empire. And here I thought Québécois were an extreme minority of French who just had crippling autism and faggotry that were deported to this barren land, yet it seems they are just the average Frenchman. No wonder Paris is such a shithole. Ethnic hatred aside any good cities in France to visit? I really didn’t like Paris last time I was there too many niggers, prostitutes and tourists and too much trash laying around, I was thinking Straßburg or Metz but I think an actual French city rather than a German city would be neat. My French is abhorrent so preferably a place used to A*glophones.

Well the Luftwaffe was also far too overextended to carry out a proper attack on the retreating forces. Military History Visulized made a video on how even if the Reich wanted to, it would be quite difficult for them to actually wipe out the BEF at Dunkirk. Unless he is partial or biased which I have never gotten the sense of.

You’re right, too many traitors and fags supposed to lead armies/government positions that betrayed their country for literally no gain just because they didn’t like the current state. FDR was a pretty good example for your side, as was Churchill and numerous German commanders. Even the ones that meant well were incompetent because why would Russia surrender if you capture it’s capital like France did? Mentally ill retards though Ivan the peasant from gopnikville would care that a certain city was taken over this other city. If only they listened to Hitler and focused on the Oil fields in the south.

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

You look at British history and what happened last time someone united continental Europe.
And realise that defeat NEVER STOPPED BRITAIN, every single time they sued for peace they SYSTEMATICALLY declared war again once they had enough preparation/more favourable conditions.
Until they won.
Mmmm, preach it brother. The Anglo is eternal.

Remember that at the time of the Dunkirk evacuation the German army was strung out, disorganised, tired, well ahead of their logistical support and reinforcements, and basically in no shape to assault a dug in force that was receiving heavy air and naval fire support. As much as people ITT like to pretend that capturing the BEF at Dunkirk would have been as simple as just driving up and saying "yeah, you guys are POWs now" it would have been a nasty fight for the Wehrmacht, made even worse by the state they were in after the assault on France. The only real option they had was heavy bombardment by the Luftwaffe, which was made very costly and ineffective by the aforementioned air support and naval AA.

Dunkirk was still a major injury for the British forces, due to the large amount of heavy kit that had to be left behind on the shore, but the idea that Germany had the capacity to capture the British forces at Dunkirk is just ignoring literally everything else about the situation.

Josiah King
Josiah King

picking on people that ARE stronger than them
Bitch frog THIS salty about Sedan
le stronger men had to beg *nglos to help you resolve personal butthurt in true negro style
Despite all that happened Im glad they did and now you are forever nigger breeders with a heritage for it

Wyatt Mitchell
Wyatt Mitchell

beaten by spear chugging niggers
End this meme, the Ethiopians had bought weapons from the Anglos and were arguably better equipped than the Italians were

Joseph Roberts
Joseph Roberts

Well I always thought that the infrastructure of the Italian colonies were shit at the beginning of their war against the Ethiopians, consequently causing supply sortages among the Italian troops and slowing down Italian advancement against the negroes.

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

What would be the ideal way to handle the Danzig vs Poland matter?

To this day, I think something went wrong between the two nations Germany and Poland, that could be avoided.

I still don't trust the narrative of muh 6 gorillion german killed in Poland before 1939.

Caleb Reed
Caleb Reed

Everyone knows Prussia is allowed to partition or annex anything they want, because muh lebensraum moffuga, but when they fail to ethnically cleanse or otherwise germanize a territory over the course of over a century, it's still their rightful clay that they need to liberate back because might makes right, unless someone is stronger than Prussia, then it's the unfair perfidious eternal albion utilizing unfair kaballah magic.

Levi James
Levi James

What would be the ideal way to handle the Danzig vs Poland matter?
There is no ideal way. When two countries both want a piece of clay and both have a lot invested in the matter, there is little that can be done except one of the countries losing. Especially when it was Poland's essentially only way to the sea.

In the end it worked out fine, though. Germans have been spreading eastwards for centuries, so putting a stop to it and shoving them where they belong fixed that problem nicely. The only thing I regret is that ukrops got such a massive stretch of land.

Aaron Collins
Aaron Collins

Danzig was practically lost after the end of WW2, a great city, reduced to ruin.

I think there would be SOME agreement if the anglos didn't step in and say we are gonna protect Poland despite HAVING no power to do so. The English, once again, fucks up negotiation between two parties.

So Hitler would have Danzig and Poland would join him in a protectorate.

Oliver Collins
Oliver Collins

Hitler was an Austrian but unfortunately the rest of Third Reich were autistic krauts.

Hudson Hernandez
Hudson Hernandez

So Hitler would have Danzig and Poland would join him in a protectorate.
What a riveting perspective for Poland. Not only do they lose clay, they also become slaves to Germany. Truly a big brain solution.

Adam Parker
Adam Parker

I think they would be better under the germans than the Soviet.

In any case, they have to choose because military-wise, Poland cannot protect itself against either of them.

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

Also, even from the Allies perspective, Danzig citizen want to join Germany, so Poland really have no legs to stand on, except keeping Danzig for unwarranted attention.

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

Sweet thread I too enjoyed hearts of iron iv

Thomas Evans
Thomas Evans

What a riveting perspective for Poland. Not only do they lose clay, they also become slaves to Germany.

How exactly do they "become slaves to Germany" by giving back a German city full of German citizens to it's people's nation?

Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

Ignore the czech dog and just visit the nearest brothel. His sister might be there.

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

Austrians aren’t German
It’s no wonder Poles are world renown for their sharp intellect and intelligence.

Not a German city, because Poland created it. Sure it was populated mostly by Germans nearly immediately after its establishment and it’s development was mostly due to that German population but Poles started the city. It’s the same way that Stettin isn’t a German city, because the poles owned it once for a couple of decades a millennium ago. Also Berlin is a Polish city because dey wuz city builders an shiet.

William Murphy
William Murphy

Funny how all slavs just absolutely fail at utilzing the rail infanstructures we left behind. Kinda remind me of that construction site documentary in Africa with a chingchong manager and his nigger workers.

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

I disagree with "ss" debauchery, 30 countries and one million men fought damn well and as hard for as long as they did in russia.

Landon Price
Landon Price

Not a German city, because Poland created it
GIVE BACK THE RIGHTFUL CLAY!

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Isaiah Bailey
Isaiah Bailey

You’re on the spectrum, aren’t you Hellenic-friend?

William Cook
William Cook

Not a German city, because Poland created it
By that logic isn't everything on map related rightful Italian clay? Or am I missing something?

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Landon Hall
Landon Hall

Or am I missing something?
The heavy sarcasm in that post.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

So you wanted the nations to be controlled by the ex-colonists? If that actually happens then the nation will be an extremely aggressive colonizing nation because the Anglo with Germanic drops in their veins tends to colonize everything without given fucks.

Owen Miller
Owen Miller

Maybe try something that relies less on tone of voice next time

Austin Brooks
Austin Brooks

He can't read sarcasm through text without faggoty alternating caps or /soy at the end of it

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Brayden Perry
Brayden Perry

There's literally nothing wrong with colonization if you genocide the locals or treat them as beast of burden.

That's what you are going to do in the stars.

Nolan Rodriguez
Nolan Rodriguez

He said "Poland would join him in a protectorate."

Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

That doesn't mean they are slaves to Germany.

Now getting occupied by Germany, now that's being slaves to Germany.

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

You do realise Bohemia WAS under a German protectorate and that it was so shit we had to assassinate Heydrich, right? Like this isn't some purely hypothetical scenario we're talking about; it is known how Germany treated its "protectorates"

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

Like exactly how shit it is? Over hundred people dying a day?

And the death of Reinhard Heydrick is to be fucking mourned.

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

Muh lebensraum moffuga, we wuz master race and shieet.

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

Even you polish must admit that the times under the German occupation wasn't as bad as the Soviet occupation and commie regime afterwards.

Nolan Rivera
Nolan Rivera

anything pro-Czech is banned, being nationalist is a crime
people led to "work for the Reich" as literal slave labour
all czech universities closed, czechs restricted from studying (even from high school, many times)
mass censorship and banning of books. Not just "degenerate books" like /pol/ claims, but ALL books that come from America, France, Russia, etc.
czech officials on all levels replaced by germans
czechs forcibly deported from areas germans decided to colonise because "muh lebensraum"
having weapons or ammo is prohibited. Not even just guns, but swords too, just anything that falls under "weapom"
constant arrests by glow in the dark Gestapo niggers + executions
And let's not even get into what went down after Heydrich did get killed. Germany literally tried to turn czechs into a slave force, and would have probably deported it all after the war was over to further enlarge muh lebensraum.

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

Gonna need a big source of proofs.

And it sounds like another war-time occupied country, m8.

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

Gonna need a big source of proofs.
Afraid it's not gonna do you much good unless you can understand Czech, m8.
And it sounds like another war-time occupied country
Right, and Poles should have desired that, according to you. That's not to mention that German peacetime plans with Bohemia featured full population replacement, which is even shittier than that. And before you start your bullshit about commies, no, it was nowhere near that shit. Sure, it was garbage for many reasons, but it couldn't hold a candle to what the Germs did here

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

Commies occupy during peace time.

Germans occupy during war time.

Either ways, I don't remember the peaceful annexation of Austria was anything bad.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

And yes, Poland can only choose between Germany and the USSR because at this point in time, its military force cannot protect itself.

If it has chosen a side, it at least can use one to fight the other instead of being gang raped by both of them.

David Jackson
David Jackson

Poland was a British & French attack dog against the Germans, nothing more. Unfortunately for them, support never materialised and they ended up being a canary in the coal mine instead.

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

British used Poland to bait the germans.

The point is Poland should have taken the baits. There's absolute no fucking way either the brits or french can guarantee Poland's independence.

That is dumb shit from day one. It's like expecting the now US to guarantee one's indepedence when you know there's no loyalty to the US, they discard you like a dumb whore if shit gets hot.

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

And let's not even get into what went down after Heydrich did get killed
Funny how you dogs cant see where the problem was.

David Roberts
David Roberts

The point is Poland should NOT have taken the baits*

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

Either ways, I don't remember the peaceful annexation of Austria was anything bad.
no shit, because it was full of germans you retard
Commies occupy during peace time.
no they don't
Germans occupy during war time.
…and deport you in peace time. How awesome
REEE how dare you kill an occupier!
stay mad, kraut

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

no they don't
They occupy during 1944 onwards, which is the final days of the war and unto peace time.
…and deport you in peace time. How awesome
Again, where? Germany lacks the logistics to deport such a huge amount of people.

And who's gonna live in Bohemia? Germany was still more than large enough to hold 80 million germans.

Noah Gonzalez
Noah Gonzalez

Commies occupy during peace time.

no they don't
Lol

What is with shitskins and inferior being retarded?
Is it like the same situation in Africa. Are you just that mad that us krauts made a civilization out of anywhere while you stay in the same mudhuts for centuries?

Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

Eagerly awaiting you to post a laundry list of proud german inventions that mysteriously lacks any moral and philosophical developments accompanying said inventions.
At least Martin Luther is now associated with a degenerate nigger communist which is a decent form of poetic justice.

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Did you forget you're neither Greek nor Roman?

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Eagerly awaiting you subhumans to sperg again.
But can you please expand the railroads we built? You are getting very close to what niggers do in Africa.

Inb4 a kike invented the car. But such a retort is to be expected from the eastern hordes. I guess you need mysticism to develop science and industries and sheeit. Thats the domain of Anu/ooga booga.

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

Pole, german, please, let's not repeat WW2 for the 10th time again.

This finger pointing is retarded.

Nolan Edwards
Nolan Edwards

grrr you are not globohomo or occupied slaves of turks
how dare you have science
GGRRRRR ARF ARF SCIENCE AND ART IZ MEANINGLESS ARF ARF
keep barking and stay inferior.
Your mom has to mop the floor at Lidl tomorrow.

Elijah Cox
Elijah Cox

I waiting for the subhuman pole/czech to point out how you need to study philosophy to invent working internal combustion engine.
I guess in merica the Wrights didnt invent the plane either, cuz they aint shaman and sheeit.

Ayden Brown
Ayden Brown

They occupy during 1944 onwards
not here they didn't (until 1968). And you need to understand that USSR policies didn't apply to the entire block. We had nowhere near the terror Russians had, not even during the normalization.
Again, where?
presumably Siberia, after it took out USSR
Germany lacks the logistics to deport such a huge amount of people.
Germany can't move 10 million people during peace time? Come on now.
And who's gonna live in Bohemia?
Germs, obviously
Germany was still more than large enough to hold 80 million germans.
and yet it sought more for its lebensraum
"w-w-we built some roads (that we built to move troops, not because of you shitbloods), that means we are superior to you in every aspect and you should be our slaves :(((( Why can't you see that if a German builds a road somewhere, he has the right to the whole country? :(((("
Your retardation never fails. Also, Czechoslovakia was among the more developed countries in europe, so much so that Germans considered its car industry a major asset, so even this retarded argument you have going on doesn't hold up.

German mentality is, all in all, curious. Next time someone decides to conquer it, he should just quickly build a very nice railroad there – Germans will fall around his knees and beg him to govern them.

Connor Reed
Connor Reed

Also, Czechoslovakia was
was
Where is the "now", dog?

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

Now it is in the ethnically homogenous club, kraut. You can only envy us.

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

not here they didn't (until 1968). And you need to understand that USSR policies didn't apply to the entire block. We had nowhere near the terror Russians had, not even during the normalization.
Because it was fucking peacetime.
presumably Siberia, after it took out USSR
That's just straight out bullshit with nothing to advocate for it.
Germany can't move 10 million people during peace time? Come on now.
Yeah, I think so. War time mobilization with all trucks and they have problems moving about 8 million not that far from Poland.
and yet it sought more for its lebensraum
Lebensraum is very arguable because it's not like germans displace the people they occupy during war time.

It would take 20 years of peace time for germans to reach a billion so they can be spread to the empty territory, even then it just doesn't make logistical sense. If the germans are that fucking horrendous, they would just kill the local instead of wasting money transporting people.

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

it is in the ethnically homogenous club
trying to pretend people dont know you are a literal port for shitskins lile VC and the like to accquire EU papers, same as poland
You can fool the window lickers here, but not people who actually live in Europe. But rest assure they will be sent back to you soon.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

morality and philosophy doesn't have to adapt to technological progress lmao, let's all harvest dead children for anti-balding formulas, foreskins for anti-aging creams and splice genes to have designer pet babies simply because we can
muh industrialism
Congratulations on being proud of destroying humanity by robbing people of their nature leading to complete insanity and meaningless obsessions to fill a void in life.

Maybe someday the turks that replace you will evolve to a level that's either basic "might makes right" (meaning they're capable of acknowledging loses), or to an actual civilization instead of
might makes right, unless glorious prussia loses a conflict then it's perfidious albion and everyone else bullying us for no reason we were god's chosen not fair, fucking Harris

Charles Miller
Charles Miller

pooland lecturing us on green industries
Weez lmao
Maybe if you subhumans can actually brew your own alcohol first lel
I feel like putting rat poison into the next patch of alcohol shipment to pooland.

Anthony Garcia
Anthony Garcia

And you better make some space for all those coming based flip catholics too.

Anthony Thompson
Anthony Thompson

That's just straight out bullshit with nothing to advocate for it.
There's Generalplan Ost, but also more tangible things, such as "germanization" of kids that were deemed aryan enough and similar policies, such as seizing land for german colonization which I mentioned in my previous posts
Yeah, I think so. War time mobilization with all trucks and they have problems moving about 8 million not that far from Poland.
You act as though they'd need to transfer them all at once, when it would likely take around a decade or so, one stretch of land at a time.
because it's not like germans displace the people they occupy during war time.
But they literally did. Both czecchs and poles
It would take 20 years of peace time for germans to reach a billion so they can be spread to the empty territory
And that makes it better because…? Why the hell would "it will take a few yyears instead of happening right away :DDDD" somehow make it less of a shit thing for the occupied?
Hey, we aren't the ones literally welcoming them. If you don't want then, shouldn't have gone with "Wir schaffen das!" or "refugees willkommen". So long as they don't stay here (and they don't, because we don't give ridiculous gibs to human trash like you do), I don't see how they're our problem.
But rest assure they will be sent back to you soon.
Dunno, with how the trend in Germany is to elect Greens (so go even further left), it looks more as though Germans will send us a thank you card, with a polite request whether we could ship in even more shitshins for them.

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Hey, we aren't the ones literally welcoming them
giving out millions of papers for shitskins since the 80s
Funny. But it is good you dont deny it.

Alexander Torres
Alexander Torres

There's Generalplan Ost, but also more tangible things, such as "germanization" of kids that were deemed aryan enough and similar policies, such as seizing land for german colonization which I mentioned in my previous posts
Generalplan Ost is totally Soviet propaganda and wasn't enacted in anyway during the war.
But they literally did. Both czecchs and poles
Evidence?

I thought czechs and poles were kept as slave labors in their countries, and not literally sent elsewhere (unless it's the yids in Warsaw?)

Robert Cox
Robert Cox

Also, it doesn't answer the literal question: why didn't the germans just kill the natives?

Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Poles_by_Nazi_Germany

It is understandable to see you so angry, gazing at the end of your country and the people therein (even if you stopped further immigration, there's so many turks and others that they'll outbreed you soon anyway). It is quite sad – we'll probably need to build a war to prevent shitskins and fleeing germans from spilling over to us. Still, wouldn't it be more productive for you to focus your attention at the problem instead of shitposting? If you service turks really well, maybe they'll let you have a reservation, like injuns do in America

William Reed
William Reed

He is simply being honest so what is wrong with that?

Gavin Cook
Gavin Cook

Because the natives are still a workforce that germany (especially during wartime) sorely needed and because striaght up genocide would cause the population to rise up.

Hudson Scott
Hudson Scott

there's so many turks and others that they'll outbreed you soon anyway
not even 10 percent in total, EU included
czech dogs have 500 000 mostly shitskins out of a pop of 10 millions, 5%
What cha on about, dear sex worker?

prevent shitskins and fleeing germans from spilling over to us
t. nr1 hub for shitskins to accquire EU Residence

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

Well, let's see how the germans defend against that, but by skimming it, I see it's getting close to Holohoax propaganda.

I'm talking about the post-war, provided Germany wins, it's still more efficient to kill the natives than resettling them.

Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

let's see how the germans defend against that
We dont. They got those lands from the toilet paper after ww1. They dont deny killing our people when war broke out. It is a shame that Prussia was autistic and thought they could bring up the eastern hordes to human level.

Hudson Rogers
Hudson Rogers

thread about how NatSoc Germany could had win WW2 turns into a debate between Germans, Slavs, Viets and Aussies
Never change, Zig Forums.

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Jeremiah Morris
Jeremiah Morris

If german occupation was so bad why didn't Baltic countries/territories rebel against their evil Nazi overlords who came back to enslave them after heroic Bolsheviks freed the people from their rule briefly?

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Mason Barnes

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Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

a handshake and a smoke equal land lease and full co op
sad attempt at copying my filenames
You must not be the only intelligent polacke, which I have seen often.
You must be that sperg in some nigger tier shithole on the oder.
Here, I give you a hint, you can also sperg about how we paid rent to them so we could have some space to build weapons again.

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

Pretty funny hearing a Czech of all people play the holier-than-thou-card.
You do know that your population consists of nothing but prostitutes and meth addicts?
You're the number one hive of degeneracy in all of Europe, so don't you go lecturing us about the virutes of being a proud slav, young man.
And the polack who straight up chooses to ignore the entire German school of philosophy.
Or is this some weird attempt at claiming Kant, Nietzsche, (even Hegel, he was a faggot, tho), Fichte, heck the entire 19th century somehow didn't exist?
Lurk 2 more years before never posting again, you absolute troglodyte.

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Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

Always, always remind them where those shitskins get all those permanent EU residency.

Jose Martin
Jose Martin

your population consists of nothing but prostitutes and meth addicts?
And german population consists of three groups, turks, self-loathing cuckolds and spergs with delusions of grandeur

Ryan Phillips
Ryan Phillips

Why do kikes never get into the fun ethnic discussions that wh*tes to all the time?
Being a semitoid parasite mutt species there should be plenty of genetic oppurtunity.

Camden Williams
Camden Williams

They are way too preoccupied with eradicating whites from the face of the Earth.

Chase Jones
Chase Jones

They're too mixed for ethnic debates, they argue over talmud interpretations or if orthodox jews should be allowed to dodge the draft, and why even have draft when americans literally exist to protect israel.
There was a video from hareetz where horse-mounted jew in riot gear was chasing orthodox draft dodgers.

Justin Martinez
Justin Martinez

Because they are laughing over huwites going at each others' throats while the kikes pump in more turkroaches, niggers, goblins, and degeneracy.
Also, because none of you will do anything.
Kikes already won. gg no re.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Not my fault you have Aspergers, it was fairly obvious, by every other line.

It’s a glorious place to call home isn’t it? This is exactly why Colonial huwhite nationalist alliance would never work, though.

If only the Krauts didn’t invade and kill 24 million commie swines right after that picture. Then maybe it would be a valid thing to post.

hey look the kikes that run the nation implemented policies that are in line with like actions, obviously the Germans did that
ignore German character resurgence in spite of 70 years of brainwashing and the eraticiation of German culture
It’s a wonder that the HRE and Frankfurt parliament considered you Germanics.

Lincoln Fisher
Lincoln Fisher

t.VC, flips, niggers with pale skins and no science nor industry.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

It’s a wonder that the HRE and Frankfurt parliament considered you Germanics.
They were indeed autistic. Eradication of the eastern hordes should have been done properly.

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

Makes you think why you were too inept to do it over the course of over a century.
If only the Krauts didn’t invade and kill 24 million commie swines right after that picture. Then maybe it would be a valid thing to post.
If only krauts didn't send lenin to destroy Russia that'd be a valid argument.
ignore German character resurgence in spite of 70 years of brainwashing and the eraticiation of German culture
there's no middle ground between "just nigger my shit up fam" and "we wuz da god's chosen master race, muh lebensraum moffuga, before da whitey anglo com along"

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

Makes you think why you were too inept to do it over the course of over a century.
The same reason africa isn't cleansed of niggers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Haitians

Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

Oh, and that "middle ground" is the reason you are still subhuman peasants, car thieves and whores, who can't even distill your own alcohol.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

Polack high as a kite off his own farts once again
Is this a racial thing with your race of famers?
You truly are the Jews of Europe.

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Jack Butler
Jack Butler

farming
bad
How jewish are you?

Charles Wright
Charles Wright

negro tier inefficient "farming"
good
Negro tier "farming"
good for nature

Cameron Sullivan
Cameron Sullivan

Ooga booga we don't have big machine cuz we have "philosophy" ooga booga. Arf arf what is our "philosophy" arf arf! Based jeebus negros!

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Oliver Richardson
Oliver Richardson

see

Goddamn fucking Polacken, good for nothing but the most basic forms of manual labor and free gibs. Verily, your subhuman filth of a race is virtually identical to Jews, only without the power.

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Zachary Long
Zachary Long

We wuz god's chosen and shieet, might makes right unless Bomber Harris beats us, muh lebensraum moffuga!
Truly the superior civilization's philosophy, but at least you have technological progress, and progress is good, regardless of what is it that you're actually getting closer to.
Sending spies to destroy countries and counterfeiting money is truly the hwite man's way of waging warfare and not spineless kikery.
Based.

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

They're too mixed for ethnic debates
Shit, I guess we do have something to learn from mutts.

Dylan Nelson
Dylan Nelson

spineless kikery
t.pooland

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

T. Subhumans without neither science, arts nor philosophy.

Nathaniel Rivera
Nathaniel Rivera

Ironically, americans aren't brown enough to go past that like Mexico where there's no ethnic identity so you pick a cartel with symbolism you enjoy the most.
(((The goal))) is not to have "world peace all people are the same", but everyone is brown-grey and killing each other in the name of McDonalds or Burgerking, Nike or Adidas; capeshit, (((Blizzard Entertainment))) and (((hollywood))) cultists are already getting there with the companies and their products being a significant part of their identity

Camden Sanchez
Camden Sanchez

the bug catching tour of the white negro pope and da black madonna
Poland in a nutshell.

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Elijah Brown
Elijah Brown

They think we're eternal but we'll literally exist as long as booty blasted continentals and end at the exact same point as them.

John Williams
John Williams

Goddamn, why is this kraut such a fucking sperg?
Also, gee thanks for sending that kike Lenin over to destroy Russia and causing communism to spread like it did. But I guess it's ok to destroy other countries as long as you do it. Guess that's European politics in a nutshell, though.
Damn the kikes for existing and meddling. The US should've stayed isolationist and given all of you the finger.

Colton Bailey
Colton Bailey

If only krauts didn't send lenin to destroy Russia that'd be a valid argument.
Wow, it’s crazy that Lenin and the other commie kikes were able to get into power with absolutely 0 support from the Russian people.

Nothing wrong with an honest home farm. I’ve only been to Poland for 45 minutes so can’t say if their farms are bad or not but I can’t imagine they’re that awful. European farming in general is very different from how we do it though.

It’s the culture too, even in highschool when I kept up Bantz against the Swiss kids, none of them ever really could come up with anything because they thought they were white rather than Swiss-Germans. I got drunk and sperg on about Pan-Germanism and tried to discuss with one if the Swiss should be included in a hypothetical Pan-German country, and they thought that boarders defined ethnicity.

If I have to be flooded with unwanted migrants so Germany will collapse then that is worth the price
I don’t even live in Poland anyways
Literal nigger tier.

It’s already begun and it’s fucking horrifying to see people identify with brands and companies to such an absured degree.

Jayden Lewis
Jayden Lewis

sending that kike Lenin over to destroy Russia
Stupid subhuman amerimutt doesn't know lenin hailed from russia and not Germany, and we had no obligation to keep him.

William Torres
William Torres

You could have shot him instead of looking to further destabilise a beaten nation.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

You could've shot him, you autistic faggot. Would've done the world much better, but no. You had to be a cunt and send the faggot back.

Cooper King
Cooper King

Why didn't you shoot marx?

Why didn't you kill youselves, all of you, you nigger lovers?

Jonathan Turner
Jonathan Turner

Because everyone was a conservatively minded liberal by about 1830 here, what's the Germans excuse?

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

Blaming other for your own mistakes.
lmao, you fucking sperg

Oliver Campbell
Oliver Campbell

Because we were in a war, and the Kaiser had the decision on lenin's life, not anyone else.

said the subhuman mutt blaming Germany for sending a rapefugee back where it belongs

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Luis Bailey
Luis Bailey

Germany sends kike to Russia
kike forms new government
Germans send troops into the Baltic to fight against Bolsheviks
Anglos Arm and supply commies as well as fight with them
Anglos and frogs force German government to withdraw troops from the Baltic
Germans make anti-Comintern pact
Anglos and Frogs refuse to join
Commies invade Baltics and Finnland
Anglos and frogs offer vague support but refuse to help
Germans go to war to wipe out Commies
Anglos and Frogs Ally with commies while you prop up their entire war effort
Oh why, oh why did the Germans help communists so much!!

what's the Germans excuse?
<Kaiser Sperghelm II is all Germans
Why did all Brits give up the Empire?

Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

I don't know why did you go your own way?

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

autonomy probably.

Anthony Foster
Anthony Foster

merimutt crawling out to release it's penned up mutt self loathing
got btfo
Lol stupid shitskin.

Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

Doesn't excuse Germany for not simple killing Lenin.
Oh well, might as well take the old European phrase of Vae Victis.
The US may be dying but you're dying more, kraut autist. Enjoy your coming bank crash and hope you don't get raped too hard by the Turks.

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

No we're all dying and arguing about assigning blame as we bleed out.

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

for not simple killing Lenin
simple killing
Mutt education, lol.

The US may be dying but you're dying more
t. <50%
t. over 20 million wetback undocumented, anchor baby not withstanding
t. the state that benefits the most from kike capitalism
turks
Capitalizing turks
Foreigners in Germany
Less than 13%, EU ethnic natives included
roaches and all non Euros are half of that 13%

Muttmerica
At least 200 million shitskins

Stay mad though, mutt.

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Owen Sanders
Owen Sanders

t.mutt

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Brayden James
Brayden James

Man, I can feel the autistic asspain coming off of you. I can kinda see why the bongs though of you as they did, lel.

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

t. Actual Muhammad

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Adrian Bailey
Adrian Bailey

Man, I can see almost a billion shitskins over there.

Oliver James
Oliver James

Very witty comeback that also completely proved your opponent's points completely wrong ;)

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

We’re still under your dominion, the Queen chooses our Prime Minister but because the Royal family has become nothing but a tax drain, the Governor General just chooses whomever wins the election rather than a decent fucking leader. I’d be under a monarchy than our shitty two party-esque system. But one that actually rules.

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

Also, gee thanks for sending that kike Lenin over to destroy Russia and causing communism to spread like it did.

Lenin was financed mostly by American jewish bankiers, a fact most mutts don't know because their jewish masters don't want their slaves to be too informed about the truth.

Asher Barnes
Asher Barnes

The queen has as much of a role in your politics as she does in ours i.e. ceremonial.

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

Fun fact: Lenin wasn't some kind of an archdaemon whose mere presence was enough to corrupt the Russian soil with gommunism. In fact there was a commie revolution well before the First World War: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905_Russian_Revolution

Robert White
Robert White

He was sent in the hope he would further destabilise the nation. Unfortunately no one has clairvoyance yo forsee such a small group seizing power in Russia like they did.

Chase Gutierrez
Chase Gutierrez

And without him all the other commies would have been powerless, because they needed the daemonic potency of Lenin to activate themselves.

Luke Bennett
Luke Bennett

Which chaos god would sponsor gommunism in wh40k? Nurgle?

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

Yes in many ways showing what a revolutionary vanguard can do can very much galvanise others. If an small, unpopular, minority can seize a place as big as Russia of course it has an effect.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

I mean the commies who were already in Russia. They literally didn't do anything between 1905 and 1917, until Lenin arrived in April, and he mustered their forces for the October Revolution. Let's just ignore that other revolution of 1917 that happened well before his arrival. And we should also forget how he was actually in Switzerland and Germans merely let him go to Russia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_Revolution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#February_Revolution_and_the_July_Days:_1917
Commies want to exist in an utopic state where everyone is happy because all of their needs are taken care of. In practice they build inefficient centralized states that control every aspect of the economic life like some kind of a benevolent god. But this system is so inefficient that everything is bound to rot away. And this ideology is a sickness of a mind that spreads best among those who live a mentally unsanitary life. Yes, I think you are correct.

Luke Nguyen
Luke Nguyen

Territories of modern russia has always suffered of socialist obshchina mentality, geographical hyper-centralization and retarded leftist """philosophers""" like Bakunin, Kropotkin etc etc. Lenin wasn't even a real kike, being a properly mixed 56% mongoloid russmutt.

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

This is the afore mentioned instability that Russia was in, the thing about these moments of instability is it does actually give strong personalities and performers the power to mobalise the usually deadened masses because basic needs aren't being met.

Carter Moore
Carter Moore

Right, though she could kick Trudeau out right now, if she wanted though that wouldn’t go over too well.

Isaac White
Isaac White

She doesn't have that power here it's been legislated away I image the same thing has been done in Canada although she'd never exercise that right as sovereign even if she could because knocking over a democracy is a good way to end a monarchy.

William Gray
William Gray

You're still droning on about GERMANY lacking philosophy? I refuted your point by referring to the GERMAN school of philosophy which reigned supreme until 1945?
Of course the Polack is too drunk to acknowledge he's talking out his ass again.

What were Polish philosophers then that shaped the world's way of thinking? Oh wait, there aren't any because your sorry excuse for a race has only ever produced Copernicus who stole all his work from ancient Greek texts he deftly hid, and the Marie Curie. What a pantheon of great minds that Poland has produced.
Neck yourself.

Still, every civilization should advance to a point where it produces more than field hands.
This is a quality the Poles absolutely lack.
No such thing as Polish engineering, even.

Damn, Söhnchen, that's a pretty good pick.
Commies always certain of all-consuming victory in the end
Commies live in a constant state of rot and decay while being told it's the worker's utopia

I think you're onto something.
Slaanesh would be my obvious pick for the CHOAS God sponsoring capitalism, btw.

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Carter White
Carter White

Commies always certain of all-consuming victory in the end
Commies live in a constant state of rot and decay while being told it's the worker's utopia
Commies are atheist muslims.

Isaac James
Isaac James

Unless it’s changed much since high school or I mis-remember the information she does have that power, though you’re right she would never do anything. Which is a shame, I thought Harry might be /ourguy/ then he married a kikess goblino.

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

Neck yourself.
Maybe you should do it considering your greatest civilizational achievement is Luther's reformation and the 2nd best one is completely made up justification for jewish subjugation of the west because you couldn't even holocaust anyone.
I don't think turning the world into shit is an achievement to be proud of.

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

Krauts made the world shit, not Jews
Have you considered drowning yourself in some Briton’s toilet the next time you’re brushing his shit off the bowl with your toothbrush?

Ethan Kelly
Ethan Kelly

Maybe you should do it considering your greatest civilizational achievement is Luther's reformation and the 2nd best one is
completely made up justification
It seems that even a passing thought about science, arts, industries and their relation to civilization triggers the shit out of the white negroes of Europe.

Jonathan Gray
Jonathan Gray

Pooland would be the last to cry about the holohoax industry.

Matthew Nguyen
Matthew Nguyen

What happened to this thread, shit nigga.

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

How did Hitler lose if the Kikes didnt already control the world? Seriously there were kikes advising every allied leader AND the fucking Soviet leaders long before Hitler rose to power.

You cant seriously be blaming them for that.

The only differwnce is that Kikes had to make the control public after the war, they couldnt hide behind the scenes anymore.

Isaiah Garcia
Isaiah Garcia

And you shut the fuck up as well. Slavs contributed plenty to civilization.

I WILL NOT HAVE YOU DUMB FUCKS TEARING INTO EACH OTHER WHILE THE KIKES LAUGH

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

This debate is really funny and autistic at same time. I like to see >>678444's idea to become a reality but unfortunately jews wouldn't allow that.

Grayson Stewart
Grayson Stewart

The important lesson is never let jews control the money matters. Money is the biggest problem because it gaves jews a lot of power over the people so banish the Jews away and change the entire economic system.

Easton Fisher
Easton Fisher

Slavs is a pretty broad stroke. How about we just go huwhite nationalism. One race, huwhite race. So that way the poolish people can take credit for what Imperial Russia and the Balkan people invented to.

Benjamin Thomas
Benjamin Thomas

Not everyone support the white mutt nationalism. Slavs consider that to be race mixing but I think Aussies, leaves, yanks, kiwi and other colonial nations will support that.

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

I guess a Serb would be happy if a Croat takes credit for the achievements of his people. After all, pooland does that, one race, the slavic race!
Baste…

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

How about you stop caring about that and start thinking about the shrinking white races's fates. The window of opportunity to stop white people from becoming minority and get subjugated permanentlt is running out of air from the balloon that we blew in.

Ayden Martinez
Ayden Martinez

I will not lend my guns to unrepentant subhumans who still can't stop (((allied))) cocks. If I do, what is the point? Better to join ZOG thenwhich I would not do, just saying

Connor Ross
Connor Ross

Aussies, leaves, yanks and brits are literally one race. Way over 50% of the whites in our nations are anglosaxon.

There are seven human species in the world, and Homo Europensis has only three peoples that count:
1. Pictish - 300 mil anglos and associated people
2. Odinite - 350 mil nords, germans, french
3. Perunite - 400 mil slavs

The roman and greek civilizations are tiny and fucked.

Julian Walker
Julian Walker

Lend your gun and brain to loyal white people. Simply don't help the traitors.

Aussies, leaves, yanks and brits are literally one race.
Then it is in their best interest to form a supernation and rule the space.

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

Too many differences for that, kiwis and shitposters are alike, leafs and burgers depending on the region are alike.
bongs
Only have met a few I'd actually call sane.

Brody Wilson
Brody Wilson

loyal white people
As soon as I meet one that doesn't spew "my grandpa zapped da krauts with based thompson XD"
Funny how I feel less offended when I hear that from a Russian than I do from a mutt or a pole/lesser Euro.>>679594

Liam Wood
Liam Wood

I don't care about the differences. Be ruthless and make that a reality. The people are like the cattle that need the guides from the farmers.

Easton Flores
Easton Flores

I’ve been saying this for a while, huwhite nationalism only works for us colonies were most people are white mutts. I am lucky that I traced 3/4 of my family back to North Germany to at least the 1600’s and the other quarter were half Scott’s half English, so I can at least be autistic about one ethnicity rather than some loosely defined group of “whites”. But I cannot see white nationalism working for Europe in any sense.

Is there any ethnic tensions in Switzerland or have most people just put their nationalism towards the government rather than their ethnicity?

I’d think that is quite an exaggeration. Most people in my area claim to be at least half Germanic yet it’s extremely common that people have Celtic and/or Slavic and/or Latin admixture too. I’d say pure Anglo-saxons that haven’t actually moved from England in the last ~70 years are quite rare. Though I haven’t traveled around Canada much so that is just from my local experience.

Also I’d question your race categories, certainly Apline Germans (Austro-Bavarians, Swiss-Germans, and Swabians(?)) are less similar to Norwegians than to Franks/North Italians? I always understood their two be Nordic Germans and then Alpine Germans and the Germans in the middle of the country were more of a mix of the two. Do you have any readings about the subject, race and ethnicity is very interesting to me but I find it quite complex.

Owen Ramirez
Owen Ramirez

Oh boy, looks like the turkroach is on a rampage again. I sure hope it does delete other "derailment" posts too.

Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

Funny despite the power tripping most of the posts still shit on amerimutts. This should make a certain (((mongrel))) very mad.

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

Would it not be better moderation to leave the posts up and contain all ethnic shit flinging to this thread only since it is already too far gone and was a pretty low effort thread to start with?

Ryder Wilson
Ryder Wilson

You're like my cousins in the alpine, you don't understand the mentality of folk here. There isn't any unity for the most part, nobody want to have to deal with people from X local or Y area. Trying to force those sorts together only leads to useless fucking bloodshed when there are far more immediate problems at hand, like chinks and the usual suspects. I'll make my breakaway state and tell everyone else to fuck right off.

I think the best way I can put it is everything is like some quasi-junker estate, nobody in the manor wants to deal with the unwashed masses of poles who live in the shanty over yonder.

Luke Young
Luke Young

Uhm uhm, you see, to this very day, discontent with the way the world turned out is obviously the shitposts of just one individual :^)
Same for the hatred toward kike slave states too. Must be just one guy :^)

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

Designated mutt-flinging zone?

Either ways, I don't think the discussion of poles vs german are anything fruitful.

Noah Butler
Noah Butler

Lessons for next time?

YEAH, DON'T BE GODLESS COMMIE BASTARD RETARDS THAT WRECK THEIR ENTIRE MILITARY AND HOME COUNTRY, YOU STUPID PAGAN HELLBOUND DEVILS

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Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

OH AND WHOMEVER IS GETTING ALL THE VPNS BANNED, I'D LIKE TO WRING YOUR FRIGGIN FAGGOT NECK. STOP IT YOU NO GOOD DAMNED DEMON INFESTED JERK

get a hobby that doesn't involve doing evil

Xavier Ward
Xavier Ward

Not during the first war.
During the first war Britain helped Italy, they intercepted the shipments of Russian Nuggets, that meant the italians all had the ubiquitous Vetterli M1870/87 rifles (bolt actions 4 rnds mag version) VS mostly single shots muzzle loaders and… spears.
Half the Ethiopians had spears and sabers, half had guns. Of those that had guns, but only half of them had "fast firing rifles" aka… Berdants.

Note that this is less around the same time UK took Egypt, a country considerably more populated, which had already gone through some industrial revolution and was actually well supplied in Ottomans Kropatschek Mausers…

Italians DO suck this much.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

don't be pussy-footing around.
Allies were aggressively signing up Allies across Latin America and looting the rest of the world.

Hitler should've leaned on Franco to do SOMETHING to allow SOMEONE to take out Gibraltar (and sink some ships in Seuz and bomb any repair crews) to turn the Med into an Axis lake.

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

Ah, you're right I got the Russians and the Anglos mixed up there somehow

Hudson Ward
Hudson Ward

Hitler should've leaned on Franco to do SOMETHING to allow SOMEONE to take out Gibraltar
He tried and got nowhere.

and sink some ships in Seuz and bomb any repair crews to turn the Med into an Axis lake
With what navy?
Luftwaffles!
with the bombers dedicated to bombing British cities? Or the ones assigned to the Russian front?

Isaiah Flores
Isaiah Flores

Definitely I want your idea to become a reality because we need to be awesome again.

Bentley Rodriguez
Bentley Rodriguez

with the bombers dedicated to bombing British cities? Or the ones assigned to the Russian front?
Considering the topic is "what could have been done differently to improve German chances of victory?", yes, either of those options would be alright.

Jose James
Jose James

If the Germans didn’t accidentally bomb British cities and stuck to military targets would the Bongs still have started holocausting German architecture? Without needing to bomb English cities they would only need fighters stationed on near the channel and North Sea and could commite those bombers elsewhere after the Battle of Britain, no?

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

The bongs started bombing Germany right after they declared war.

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

Remember that a WW2 era bomber would be notoriously inaccurate. High altitude carpet bombing was just about accurate enough to hit a city (or at least the general area containing a city). Sinking a specific ship in the Suez canal would have required the kind of low level bombing that the British defences were specifically set up to counter. Also remember that the Luftwaffe weren't set up to deal with naval targets, that would have been left to the dive bombers used by the Kriegsmarine, and the inadequacy of the Kriegsmarine has been covered fairly well so far. Also given the inaccuracy of high altitude night bombing at the time it was only a matter of time before a German bomber hit a civilian target by mistake, and Britain would have no reason not to think it was intentional and respond in kind.

The bongs started bombing Germany right after they declared war.
Well … yeah. It was a war. That's one of the things you do in a war.

Liam Clark
Liam Clark

Well … yeah. It was a war. That's one of the things you do in a war.

Plus pretend you're the good goy while the other country is evil for doing the same thing you do.

Jose Adams
Jose Adams

Show me the post where I did that.
/intl/index.html
You have to go back.

Juan Cruz
Juan Cruz

If the OKW actually made plans in the event Barbarossa stalled in Winter of 1941, sent troops on "training exercises" in Finland a year earlier and arranged for the timely deliveries of appropriate winter clothing during the operation would it have helped in any noticeable fashion?

Luke Wood
Luke Wood

Since the advent of smokeless powder you need two things to win a war: firepower and logistics. Of course I mean both of them in a very general sense, so logistics covers even things like speed and mobility; down to the level of being able to haul a machine gun (with enough ammunition) to the right position during a firefight. Now, as long as Hans the rifleman is waiting for the horse-drawn 50mm cannons to get into position and take out the enemy tonks because the horse-drawn 37mm cannons assigned to his unit are useless, then it doesn't really matter if he is wearing some comfy winter clothers or is about to freeze to death. He is still just Hans the rifleman who can only march so many kilometres a day, and he is still only equipped with a bolt-action rifle and a few grenades. Yes, the army can't win without riflemen like him, but riflemen like him won't win the war. So no, if the Heer doesn't have the equipment to smash the red army and keep chasing it through seas of snow and mud, then some training and uniforms won't change anything in the grand scheme.

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Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

But if the Soviet's horse-drawn tank can't hit shit because gunnery training is overrated then Hans the rifleman could sneak up from behind and throw a grenade through a hatch or something.
He could still do it without Winter clothes but then he'd probably get frostbite afterwards from crawling through snow, which in turn meant he'd have to spend some time recuperating in a field Hospital or get honorably discharged if his injuries are too severe.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

I'm 90% sure he's not talking about you in the slightest. He's saying that Britain during WWII (and onward) said that Germany was morally in the wrong for bombing Britain, while the mirrored action was claimed to be justified.

Luke Green
Luke Green

The german, offering tactical solutions to an strategic problem

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Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

I thought they only bombed pamphlets about how Hitler wanted to genocide everyone without blonde hair and blue eyes, until a German bombing raid was off course from bad weather and bombed a city by accident then the Bongs decided to create job opportunities in construction for Germany. Though I suppose Heligoland was bombed before that started.

German bomber hit a civilian target by mistake, and Britain would have no reason not to think it was intentional and respond in kind.
Wasn’t Churchill wanting to bomb German cities anyways? From his plan to use anthrax bombs on Germany cities because he felt it was a proportionate response to V2s, I don’t feel he was any too hesitant to bomb Germany anyways. Though I can’t say if Göring was just as happy to bomb bongland. Rip Hess

No one, not even British and American intelligence thought the soviets would last until the end of the year. I think it was the Amis that gave the USSR 6 months max to survive Barbarossa. Still an oversight to not even consider you’d be fighting into the winter, but no one thought the soviets would make it to 1942 let alone sperg rush Berlin.

Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

Scenario:
For some reason the Norks launch an unprovoked nuclear first strike on American cities (just roll with it, assume they have a few low yield warheads and a couple of missiles that aren't complete shit)
America launches a retaliatory strike turning everything between the 38th parallel and the city of Onsong into a radioactive no go zone that can barely support bacterial life (I'm aware that's an overstatement of a post nuclear environment, it's used for rhetorical effect)
Is there a moral equivalency between those two uses of nuclear weapons? If America retaliates in kind is it just as wrong as the other guy staging an unprovoked first strike? Does the greater effect on the Norks somehow make them the poor, mistreated, victim of evil Burger warmongers in this scenario? Is the power imbalance between the US and Norks relevant to the analysis of this exchange?

Wasn’t Churchill wanting to bomb German cities anyways?
I wouldn't be remotely surprised if he was, doesn't change the fact that the RAF were only cleared to attack civilian targets after the Luftwaffe started bombing British cities (whether accidentally or not).
From his plan to use anthrax bombs on Germany cities
Do you have a source for that? The only mention I've seen of British plans for biological/chemical weapons involved hitting German landing sites on the UK mainland when it looked like Seelowe would actually happen. Even if Churchill wanted to personally rape every German child to death the fact that he didn't (or was at least restrained by his general staff) would make that little more than trivia or a footnote in the history of the war.

I know we bombed your cities, but how dare you bomb our cities in response!
WAAAAAAGH! YOU A MEANIE!
The Kraut cries out in pain as he strikes you.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

Dont spare thousands of your enemies troops as a good will in hopes they will consider peace
use anything you have to destroy the enemy, remember, its only a war crime if YOU lose so use that advanced technology before its too late
focus on the main problems within the war and fix them to become more effecient instead of throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks
always focus on military targets, blowing up their civilians will only make more people sign up to fight against you, blowing up a factory creating guns/vehicles/equipment matters more
be prepared when invading russia, have a plan thats sure to work all the way to moscow
dont make something super complicated and make it cheaper once you run out of resources, make it cheaper from the beggining so you use less overall resources
fuck italy
kill all the jews first so they dont use their magic on the population and turn them against you
exploit soviet satellite states, give them the hopes that they can into independence if they fight with you
if your top goons tell you that a weapon is extremely effective, cheap and outclasses all enemy weapons dont tell them to stop making it just because you dont like it
make japan help you invade russia this time instead of cucking around in chinkland
make use of natsoc supporters in other countries and get them to wage guerilla warfare to make shit easier for you to invade
cut off as much communications within the country you are invading, use an EMP

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Jackson White
Jackson White

bombs falling off to the side is the same as gooks letting nukes fly without a declaration of war
subhuman anglo trying to conceal again they declared war in the name of polish white brudas first
The crooked teeth insect shrieks and shitposts as it is found out.

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

Eternal Kraut trying to pretend that they weren't the sole and primary aggressor
In a thread of Krauts and wannabe Krauts trying to pretend that there was a single hope of victory and that it wasn't just subhuman sausageniggers fucking things up for the rest of us for the foreseeable future.
Pure pottery

Juan Ramirez
Juan Ramirez

sole and primary aggressor
t.Muhammad
ww2today.com/the-first-bombing-raid-on-germany

Begone, subhuman.

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Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Bombing a German naval base (with specific orders not to bomb areas that were likely to contain civilians) is the same thing as Kraut filth intentionally dropping high explosives on civilians
/intl/index.html

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

intentionally dropping high explosives on civilians

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Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

/intl/index.html
enjoy your last (you) before you get filtered.

Jonathan Allen
Jonathan Allen

Tacticool superiority at the cost of long-term strategic planning/reasoning is a curse of our people.

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Mason Walker
Mason Walker

subhuman anglo thinking it is not the /intl/ nigger here

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

That's not how prime british beauties look like.

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

My mistake.

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Juan Harris
Juan Harris

Yeah I guess you should have gone for the "create manpower, resources and industrial capacity out of nowhere" strategy.

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