Mostly crosspost from >>13377008 since thread is dying down - same OP
Tl;dr(since this is Zig Forums and strelo/k/s are already smart to the 'how to make a firearms company' shit), I want to put forward the suggestion of anons, from Zig Forums and Zig Forums, working together IRL to create a legal firearms manufacturing company. We already have plenty of machinists, engineers, and garage tinkerers around, we have hordes of CADs, blueprints, and instructions relating to the manufacture of a wide variety of firearms at our disposal. I at least know how to manage the business side of things and would be 100% shocked if there weren't any other anons here who knew the same, and there's also inevitably money to be found on here as well. Following US law, we can all benefit the community through our success, make money, and perhaps revolutionize firearms while we're at it one way or another.
Email is [email protected] - will gladly answer any questions regarding this.
As said before: Nothing I'm suggesting is illegal or otherwise against US law, so glow accusations are 100% paranoid autists or (((schlomo))) interference.
Would still require getting together, and that would be rather silly.
Earnest did something illegal. This is not. No calls to violence or for illegal behavior here.
Jayden Bailey
Where are you getting the $300,000 it would take to start a manufacturing plant? I mean, even to make ONE firearm, you're talking thousands of dollars in tooling and dies, tens of thousands of dollars in BITS alone, let aside the actual $30,000 milling machines, lathes, and $50,000 heat treatment rooms that you'd need for production. Who's going to buy them? If you want to get the word out you've got to have a marketing campaign and a website, both cost thousands.
Hell, it cost me $7,000 just in medical insurance for me and my three employees per year. That's a startup cost most people don't consider. Medical, Social Security, Wages have to be paid BEFORE you get paid. You can't just hold your wages until you're out of the red.
If somebody wanted to build a buzzgat company that builds weaposn that are not difficult to convert into fully automatic guns, GREAT. But nobody here has any money. If they did, it would be done already.
1. where are you getting the money to actually start this? To get all the machines and shit like says + wages for employed anons? 2. collab projects rarely work out, so I assume you intend to build a workplace hierarchy. How do you intend to do that when everyone here is anonymous and everyone thinks he is the most qualified person to talk about gun manufacturing? Not to mention at least 90% of the userbase are spergs incapable of social interaction. The workplace collective would likely explode in autistic shitflinging immediately. 3. What can you offer that other, well estabilished companies with good brand recognition can't? Why should Joe McBurger buy his funz from Zig Forumsunts Corp. that was just formed by complete amateurs instead of literally anybody else?
William Adams
Currently such is the limiting factor. is right that a large amount of money is needed just to make sure that everything's covered.
As for 2, easiest way to do such would be to base the hierarchy off past engineering experience and other experience, with the least skilled anons at the bottom. There won't be glowniggers around to urge the anons on, so disputes shouldn't exactly be that big of an issue.
As for 3 - extremely low price. I wholeheartedly believe that with work, it'll be possible to create a pistol capable of being sold for less than $150, possibly even double digits in USD, which would undercut everyone in the market, even Hi-Point.
Sebastian Phillips
This makes me wonder. CNC machine, lathe, mill, what is the equipment you plan to use? I'm studying watchmaking because I can
Brandon Allen
I highly suspect that a company that intends to make arms cheap enough that anyone can buy them will somehow get their ass fucked by the ATF, State Department, and/or UN through any federal/international law they might be able to use. Plus, anti-gunners would probably use that as a reason to push up the federal/state gun excise taxes. If we were to create a company, I would suggest charging a slightly cheaper than normal price for the quality to build brand reputation, garner market share, and obtain money to hire a small army of lawyers. While this is going on, donating ample guns to charities and organizations such as the GOA and FPC (along with smaller, local charities) would be our best bet as it coincides with our end goal and methodology. Then, you can ease into cheap af guns.
Joshua Wilson
yeah, fees and taxes are huge, and it gets proportionally worse as price gets lower. One thing I considered was making an FFL07 a non-profit. The face would have to be an organization for shooting sports/education, but you could probably justify the FFL as making it easier to purchase and build guns for the team. From there someone in the org will just happen to come up with a cool gun idea that will get proven in competition, creating hype, and it will make perfect sense to start selling the guns to cover the costs of the non-profit and reduce the need for donations.
William Stewart
Is there any law a government agency could use to claim guns must be made above a certain price? We could then hit anti-gunners on trying to prevent poor people from getting guns. That said such is a doable idea.
That's not a half-bad idea
Jordan Cook
So what are the ideas we have to make extremely cheap pistols?
or make a pipe-version of a 9mm that can be produced with just a lathe (cheap) and pipes, like picrelated but single shot and smaller
Tom Deeb figured it out years ago. A heavy cast zinc slide with a basic bitch frame. There isn't outdoing the hi-point at 150-200 dollars. That bullet hose you're considering on shrinking would probably be possible with smaller calibers, think .380, .32 and .25. The bolt mass is needed for safe operation with anything bigger.
Adam Powell
Oh god, it's a repeat of the Pepe Liberator
Ryder Ross
I'd love it if this happened don't get me wrong, but as it is this thread is retarded. OP has already disqualified himself by failing to immediately address things like source of capital. A plant is fucking expensive, for a gun plant you'll have extra expenses in security and lawyers. Yes, you will need a HUEG legal fund because you will get the living daylights sued out of you and government bureaucrats will rape your soul.
Also expecting to just up and start this here is just absurd. There's a few small business owners and minor millionaires using this board, but none have the skills for running such a company. How many FFLs are even on this board? I'd speculate
Justin Evans
No, but there is a national 10% excise tax on firearms. Plus, most, if not all, states have an additional excise tax on guns. Good luck. It's brought up in almost with every fee, license, etc., and they still push for it.
Cooper Collins
A bit gay
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Capital would be hard to obtain, but not impossible. The federal gov gives grants to new businesses. State governments would definitely love to help start up new industry, especially in areas where a plant just closed to move overseas. We would just need to have a great presentation in the right area and appear competent. The hard part would the feds (ATF, State Department, etc.) getting involved. I doubt we would be able to get enough funding for enough lawyers. (Semi-related: To nobody's shock, the websites for the gov grants and loans are all trash.)
Hunter Rodriguez
Bullet Hose wouldn't work given it's still ultimately open-bolt, and there's the ban on open-bolt semi-autos. Stamped steel blowbacks have potential, though casting aluminum makes no sense when Zamak-3 does just fine.
Source of capital will be a pain in the ass either way - already acknowledge that. As is, there is at least one firearms facility we could likely utilize, albeit in pretty rough shape. To my knowledge nothing's been made there in over a decade. Getting an FFL isn't going to prove that difficult. As is, at least we're trying to do something given the circumstances.
Guess we'll have to see what we can do.
Only question would be what state governments would be the best to approach for shekels, as well as how to do such for the federal government. Together we can certainly get such together.
Noah Thompson
Pretty much any southern state will be our best bet for two reasons: 1. The south is more gun friendly, so politicians won't go out of their way to shut down the company based on product. 2. Manufacturing jobs are being moved overseas. The south is hit hardest as of late, so politicians down there will try to attract jobs again. If you're going for fed money, I'd try to find a grant for the DOD for certain kind of research in small arms. They also have grants for vets starting businesses, which a small number of Zig Forums posters may be able to obtain.
Andrew Richardson
this or the Midwest. everywhere else would greet you with liberal autistic screeching.
I'm just throwing this out so feel free to shoot it down heh, but why not ammo manufacturing? less relatively speaking ATF hassle I'd imagine, less overhead/equipment needed, lower skillet needed. also, ammo never gets banned, and if it does, just apply for one of those sweet sweet gubmint contracts.
Carson Gomez
Completely logical, especially in southern states. The only question is where to best approach.
I'm thinking Missouri might be a good place to start the company in after the 2A law goes into effect. Would certainly allow us to make a killing selling cheaply made open-bolt SMGs to the public in the state at a premium. People would flood in and acquire the guns at such a rate that we'd possibly have difficulty keeping up. That's the best opportunity I could see us working on and taking advantage of.
Leo Parker
Hate to burst your bubble, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that law after Montana tried that with suppressors and the ATF still arrested and successfully prosecuted some guy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Firearms_Freedom_Act Ignore mobile posting, internet is kill
Alexander James
Fair, but this is far more comprehensive than just legalizing suppressors - it's legalizing basically anything and everything firearms related that's banned. The ATF can monitor Montana suppressor purchases, but everything else? Not sure if they can.
Colton Wright
Bump
Lincoln Wood
Bump - surprised at the lack of interest here.
Brayden Torres
what can i say? i dont know much about business, creating guns, and my savings of a lifetime are like, 2500$, and that is considered a lot of cash-money here
Logan Baker
As far as business goes, you want to sell almost exclusively to government/military and govt/military contractors they will give you the most profitable opportunities.
You can still sell cheap guns to the masses later if you want, but I'd start with the military route, they'll help you source parts, technical data, manufacturers, etc.
Jose Robinson
Yes, because a new business will certainly have the funds required to bribe government officials with prostitutes and cocaine.
