I don't understand, why do Christians give into Jewish fables that Jesus (PBUH) was crucified?

He was talking about Paul there, even your scriptures admit he murdered the Muslim followers of Jesus (PBUH).

And that's wrong and false Christian propaganda, not dissimilar from Jewish propaganda against Jesus. You can read the truth here:

cyberistan.org/islamic/muhammad.html

The character of Muhammad (PBUH) was the best. Did you know that he didn't want to disturb a cat when it was sleeping? He was a gentle man.

quranreading.com/blog/things-about-the-character-of-prophet-muhammad-pbuh-every-muslim-must-spread/

How do you know he got martyred? Your scriptures don't even admit of this. Sounds like later Christian propaganda.

I know he persecuted and killed Chrstians prior to his conversion.
But this is nothing new, king David also murdered. He is not exceptional from the rest of the Bible.
What does his genetic background, similar to most in the entire Bible, have anything to do with an universal faith?

I think you believe kikes are jews, they aren't. Kikes do not follow the Old Testament, they follow the Talmud and neither are they from Paul's genetic background. Most kikes are from eastern europe. Just look at the etymology of the word kike.

King David (PBUH) never murdered anyone at all. He was divinely guided by Allah himself. Are you getting that from your scriptures? You know that's been corrupted right?

Jews are kikes though, the Pharisees of the Bible were the original kikes.

No, I do not know that, what proof do you have?

Pharisees are not good guys in the Bible. They were the tipping point from the Old Covenant to hating Christ, yes, but most of kikes today are not semitic.

aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/bible-corrupted-part-1/

Maybe they are maybe they're not but they follow the principles of Judaism which is a corruption of Islam.

Those being the 'fables' that got the early Christians killed often by the Jews?

that's a weird read of 2 Samuel 11

You have a misunderstanding of scripture. Scripture is the bedrock of the faith but there is also the living voice of tradition, truths not contrary to Scripture passed on through the saints.

LITERALLY EVERY APOSTLE WAS JEWISH

nice

Why? It's most likely a later fabrication. A prophet could never do something like that. Prophets cannot commit major sins.

And how do I have a misunderstanding? It's your scriptures? But the Qur'an is actually the words of Allah (SWT) himself.

Jewish in ethnicity but Islamic in religion.

Muhammad (PBUH) was a prophet of Allah (SWT).

Yes, clearly he prayed 5 times a day to Mecca and made Hajj et al but somehow this got left out of any account

This is crazytown man

2 Samuel 11 is in the dead sea scrolls and septuagent. It's substantially similar in both the MT and LXX traditions. There's no way on Earth it was a later addition.

dssenglishbible.com/2 samuel 11.htm
biblehub.com/sep/2_samuel/11.htm

Also, you know Moses killed a dude, right? And Aaron made the golden calf? If what you've been told makes you twist the truth like this, you should think again if it's true.

Also, if he was Islamic in religion, how do you explain John 2, the change of water to wine for a wedding celebration?

Islam = Submission to God.

Before mankind was even created the Jinn, beings made of fire, were on the earth and were Muslims. The angels in heaven, made from light, are all Muslims. They submit to Allah (SWT). Then Allah made Adam (PBUH) and Eve in the Garden of Eden located in heaven and they submitted to Allah so they were Muslims. But Iblis (Satan) would not bow before Adam, the first prophet, so he rebelled against Allah and tempted Adam and Eve to sin. After they sinned they fell to earth and the black stone dropped with them.

Religion was originally for Allah but the Jinn and mankind have rebelled against Allah and made their own religions. Many in mankind turned to paganism and away from Islam. But other prophets came like Noah (PBUH), Abraham (PBUH), Moses (PBUH), David (PBUH), John the Baptist (PBUH), Jesus (PBUH), and finally Muhammad (PBUH). The Pharisees, those of the Ummah of Moses, ended up creating Judaism which is a corruption of Islam. Paul and his followers also made a corruption of Islam within the Ummah of Jesus which is now known as Christianity. Judaism and Christianity are corrupt versions of Islam.

And Jewish fables. All incorporated into the Koran

The dead sea scrolls have the Book of Enoch, right? There's no reason to trust them. Also that there were 2 versions of the Hebrew scrptures the LXX and the MT proves it was corrupted and splintered into other versions.

Also, that wasn't murder what Moses (PBUH) did that was defense of a fellow Muslim brother. And no, Aaron (PBUH) never ever made a golden calf! That is pure slander and false! Aaron actually attempted to destroy the golden calf which was made by a wicked man named As-Samiri. Aaron had nothing to do with that idolatry. Your Torah is corrupted.

The Gospel of John is heretical though, can't trust any of it.

Eden was on Earth. See the description in Genesis 2:10-14. This is important, because it's Earth that will be renewed, see Revelation 21 - note Heaven is brought DOWN.

Mo was absolutely a false prophet and made up a lot of crap, but I've heard an argument by Sam Shamoun that Mohammed didn't actually deny the crucifixion but that muslims are too stupid to understand what he was saying.
Mo said about Christ (paraphrasing) "they thought they killed him, but they did not". But in another part he was talking of a battle where muzzos killed their enemies and Mo with the same arabic said the muzzos didn't kill the enemey, allah did. It was their swords, but it was allahs will. So he could've been saying the jews didn't kill Jesus through their own will, but through Gods will.
But if there's one thing muslims can't comprehend it's subtlety.

No Eden was in heaven, see Qur'an 38.

Pretty sure he made the golden calf. See Exod 32. You can't just change the parts of the OT you don't like. And you can't accept the Christian scriptures except the ones you don't like.

If the Torah is corrupted, then cite your ancient sources supporting WHEN it was corrupted, and by WHOM. You can't just say "it was corrupted" when it disagrees with your doctrine, you have to show that.

That's stupid. He's a liar. Allah clearly says in the Qur'an:

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Qur'an 4:157

That's kind of true, IIRC.
Some shi'a and ahmadiyyah sects think that, but it almost comes off as docetist; that Christ only "appeared" to be cruified, rather than to suffer in the flesh.

The Sunni just straight up reject it.

Why are you Muslims raiding us? You wouldn't want us raiding /islam/, would you? Show some internet etiquette.

It was corrupted look at the LXX and the MT.

Now, I'm no expert in the Qur'an, but I don't see it there:

clearquran.com/038.html

49. This is a reminder. The devout will have a good place of return.

50. The Gardens of Eden, with their doors wide-open for them.

51. Relaxing therein, and calling for abundant fruit and beverage.

52. With them will be attendants with modest gaze, of same age.

53. This is what you are promised for the Day of Account.

His point was that yeah, that to them it seemed like it was their idea to them, it resembled that to them. That they did it of their own will. But it wasn't them, it was allah. They didn't triumph over the prophet like they boast, they had no will over it, he died by allahs plan.

LXX (English translation):
1And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people combined against Aaron, and said to him, Arise and make us gods who shall go before us; for this Moses, the man who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt—we do not know what is become of him. 2And Aaron says to them, Take off the golden ear-rings which are in the ears of your wives and daughters, and bring them to me. 3And all the people took off the golden ear-rings that were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4And he received them at their hands, and formed them with a graving tool; and he made them a molten calf, and said, These are thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 5And Aaron having seen it built an altar before it, and Aaron made proclamation saying, To-morrow is a feast of the Lord. 6And having risen early on the morrow, he offered whole burnt-offerings, and offered a peace-offering; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Original: blueletterbible.org/lxx/exo/32/1/s_82001

Masoretic Text, Exod 32:
mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0232.htm

They look very similar to me, with Aaron making the golden calf from the gold of the people.

let them, good opportunity to convert them.

Jesus(pbuh) wanted his people to praise Allah alone, they didn't listen and Allah gave Muhammad(pbuh) His final Strength

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Also, if all of this was corrupted, how do you explain Luke 21:33, Mt 24:35, and Mark 13:31? When did his words pass away?

corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=38

Wrong.

Both were corrupted.

When? By whom?

You can see that the LXX has many differences from the MT though I will find examples if you need them. They were corruptions of an original text.

If you're talking about corruption, I'd say the book written by the apostles, who ate and drank with Christ, and even overseen by Mary in some texts have a much better claim than the Quran, which is a 200 year broken telephone game which islamics believe there were no alteration at all.
Only less impressive than the 2000 year sucessful broken telephone the kikes pretend the Talmud is but at least it's still better than my 4th grade class that lasted 14s until Jimmy changed one of the words to pee-pee.

What a mockery.

But there's no disagreement on Aaron in either version of Exodus 32, right? Do you have any ancient source - any evidence that anyone believed what you are saying before the 6th century?

The people crucified next to Jesus were thieves, Peter denied Jesus and even attempted worship angels, which not only goes against Christianity, but Islam and Judaism as well. The kingdom of God is open to those who have previously sinned.

Paul never met Jesus. Paul never ate with Jesus. Paul never even spoke with Jesus.

Also there is no proof the gospels were written by the apostles they are anonymous and there are many contradictions between them. The Gospel of John has a different time for Jesus death than the other gospels for example.

Even if they were written by the apostles they were corrupted anyway. The story of the adulterous woman was added in later not a part of the original gospel. The gospel of Mark also has and ending which was not in the original one. So it just goes to show how easily corrupted your scriptures became.

Yes, the evidence is that the fact that there were two versions of the Hebrew scriptures shows us that it was corrupted. The story of Aaron being an idolater might have come from a similar source or was already added in before. Did you know that the LXX has many contradictions and differences to the MT and vice versa?

Yep. The LXX is closer to the Dead Sea Hebrew original. preachersinstitute.com/2016/09/02/bible-beatdown-the-septuagint-text-vs-the-masoretic-text/

Said His word wouldn't pass away, didn't pass away.

Dead sea scrolls mean nothing, just a testament to the fact of how long your scriptures have been corrupted. Jesus (PBUH) came as Messiah to restore the message of Allah (SWT). But the Jews rejected him and corrupted his message. So Allah once and for all sent Muhammad (PBUH) to fix everything.

Again, WHEN were they corrupted?

Most likely after the exile.

Why are there so many contradictions in the Koran?

I don't understand, why do muslims give into fanfiction that muhammed liked the sound of like Jesus turning clay birds into real birds?
And for that matter, why do they drink camels urine?

lol

the djinns whispering to Muhammad and almost driving him to suicide, were not Allah.
Allah is the grand deceiver anyway, can't be trusted.

/islam/ leave.

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